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    Orton not 1st WWe world hvwy champion

    Wwe being WWe they'll never correct themselves but that doesn't mean I can't complain about their stupidity. First, why they think simply changing the name of a Unified Title makes it a new title and therefore Orton is the 1st is plain dumb. Are they forgetting the unified title which consisted of the same two belts was 1st won by Jericho? If you want to play the semantics game at that time one was the WWF title and the other the WCW title. This is irrelevant though as they are the same titles renamed or not.

    An example would be saying whomever was the the champion when the WWF title was renamed the WWe title was the first WWe champion. That only makes sense to dumb people.

    Second, if they want to play silly games then I have one for them. Read the first paragraph in the link. The WWWF world heavyweight champion was created when WWWF broke away from the NWA. World heavyweight champion - it states it right there. It being WWWF rather than WWe is of no significance because WWWF is WWe. Wiki skips over some history where it became either WWWF or WWF title again after cooperation with NWA. Then the now WWF broke off again and it was a world heavyweight championship.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WWE_Championship

    Here's to Buddy Rogers the first WWWF aka WWe world heavyweight champion.

    or Chris Jericho as he was the 1st to unify the same belts Orton holds.
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    The Undisputed Title Jericho held was the WWF + WCW titles. They merged into the WWF Undisputed Title, which became the WWE Title (which they eventually just quit saying 'Undisputed' as there was no longer any dispute).

    The WHC was created after the brand split to give HHH something to wear while Bork Laser beat up 1 leg man on Smackdown.

    Orton is the first to wear a unification of the WWE + WHC, which you could call (WWF+WCW) + WHC
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    Originally Posted by NukeDukem View Post
    The WHC was created after the brand split to give HHH something to wear while Bork Laser beat up 1 leg man on Smackdown.

    Orton is the first to wear a unification of the WWE + WHC, which you could call (WWF+WCW) + WHC
    The problem with that is while hyping the Cena/Orton unification match WWE aired footage of the lineage being wwwf/wwwf/wwe and nwa/wcw/wwe for each belt. They recognized the world titles long history.
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    So....... how did AJ look on RAW?
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    So....... how did AJ look on RAW?
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    Originally Posted by NukeDukem View Post
    The Undisputed Title Jericho held was the WWF + WCW titles. They merged into the WWF Undisputed Title, which became the WWE Title (which they eventually just quit saying 'Undisputed' as there was no longer any dispute).

    The WHC was created after the brand split to give HHH something to wear while Bork Laser beat up 1 leg man on Smackdown.

    Orton is the first to wear a unification of the WWE + WHC, which you could call (WWF+WCW) + WHC
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    Originally Posted by War Machine View Post
    The problem with that is while hyping the Cena/Orton unification match WWE aired footage of the lineage being wwwf/wwwf/wwe and nwa/wcw/wwe for each belt. They recognized the world titles long history.
    Hm, I don't think so. I don't think they showed any WCW footage, I mean I could be wrong but I remember noticing there was no WCW footage during their montages. I am pretty sure they went from NWA and skipped WCW right to WWE WHC.

    They don't recognize the WHC as the WCW belt, even though in WCW's canon they are the same title.
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    Originally Posted by treeleaf View Post
    Wwe being WWe they'll never correct themselves but that doesn't mean I can't complain about their stupidity. First, why they think simply changing the name of a Unified Title makes it a new title and therefore Orton is the 1st is plain dumb. Are they forgetting the unified title which consisted of the same two belts was 1st won by Jericho? If you want to play the semantics game at that time one was the WWF title and the other the WCW title. This is irrelevant though as they are the same titles renamed or not.

    An example would be saying whomever was the the champion when the WWF title was renamed the WWe title was the first WWe champion. That only makes sense to dumb people.

    Second, if they want to play silly games then I have one for them. Read the first paragraph in the link. The WWWF world heavyweight champion was created when WWWF broke away from the NWA. World heavyweight champion - it states it right there. It being WWWF rather than WWe is of no significance because WWWF is WWe. Wiki skips over some history where it became either WWWF or WWF title again after cooperation with NWA. Then the now WWF broke off again and it was a world heavyweight championship.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WWE_Championship

    Here's to Buddy Rogers the first WWWF aka WWe world heavyweight champion.

    or Chris Jericho as he was the 1st to unify the same belts Orton holds.
    Hm, well if we're being semantic, yes there have been people that have had belts that are called the WWE Heavyweight championship. As you've said, the WWWF title used to be called that, and over the years they just ditched the heavyweight part in the name and called the belts WWF/WWE title.

    With that being said, what Randy Orton is holding is in fact a different championship from what Jericho is holding.

    Jericho held the WWE and WCW belts.

    Randy Orton has the WWE (which has the WCW belt unified into it) and the WHC title (which in their canon is also the NWA belt).

    Regardless if one recognizes that the WHC and NWA belts are different, and we pretended that the WHC title is just one that spans from 02-13, it is still an entirely new world title, meaning Jericho never unified it.
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    Originally Posted by CCAurora View Post
    /thread
    NO, NO, NO, that's not /thread. Look what WWe says itself on the matter. It does state that the title made its official debut in 2002 but it traces its lineage back to the NWA title in 1948 and then the WCW title. Given that it does trace back per WWe themselves it is the same title only renamed. That goes back to my point that renaming a title then saying you are the first is dumb.

    http://www.wwe.com/classics/15-great...yweight-champs

    Buddy Rogers first WWe (WWWF) world heavyweight champion (for all the semantic gamers out there)

    or

    Chris Jericho for those who prefer the option of the guy that UNIFIED the very same two titles.


    It's a matter of viewpoint. One could argue it's new but I don't see it that way. I don't think renaming a belt and saying it's new makes it new. IC champ renamed to semi world title doesn't make it new.
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    The WHC only looks like the WCW belt. It's linage started when HHH was handed it.
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    Originally Posted by SmithMachineGuy View Post
    The WHC only looks like the WCW belt. It's linage started when HHH was handed it.
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