Extrajudicial killing of US citizens continue

[SonnyBIlly]

Also it is not OUR country. They are not subject to our rules.

Why not?

The US is a superpower and has the military capacity to punish non-compliance, who better to use that on than Islamic terrorists who profit from hard drugs that corrupt and kill people in the West?

[SonnyBIlly]

Please come to Afghanistan and tell me what options these people have. The marajuana plant can also be grown in the ****ty soil here but guess what other market we stifle

Who cares? If all the degenerates can do is peddle drugs, then let them be hand-to-mouth subsistence farmers.

If they want to actually have a real economy, do what every successful once-was-poor nation has done, and open yourself up to light manufacturing (then heavy manufacturing, then service industries), particularity textiles. South Korea, Taiwan, Thailand, India, Bangladesh etc. have either done it or are doing it, and billions of people have been lifted out of poverty as a result.

It's not hard.

[JonathanRhimes]

Don't worry the secret government court that approves these attacks will only use it's secret deliberations and decisions to keep you safe.

Oh great, to think I was worried for a moment!

[JonathanRhimes]

Yeah I think assassinating US citizens without holding a trial is a dangerous precedent.

You don't trust the Dear Leader implicitly!!? Crazy talk.

My favorite part is how the government balks at the term assassination after...well...assassinating people.

[PrettyPinkDonut]

Who cares? If all the degenerates can do is peddle drugs, then let them be hand-to-mouth subsistence farmers.

If they want to actually have a real economy, do what every successful once-was-poor nation has done, and open yourself up to light manufacturing (then heavy manufacturing, then service industries), particularity textiles. South Korea, Taiwan, Thailand, India, Bangladesh etc. have either done it or are doing it, and billions of people have been lifted out of poverty as a result.

It's not hard.

It's not hard in theory I agree. What exaclty are they manufacturing that already isn't monopolized by surrounding nations? How can they be sustinance farmers when the soil here is not accommodating for very many crops? When you live the way they do generation after generation you try to make better for your offspring by the means available. Most of the farmers aren't "peddlers" they just grow the poppy.
The issue is that we have propped up their economy artificially, equipped a shaky Army, have multipe police forces who are basically State sponsored gangs, and all of this without any plan of sustainment especailly when we take away their two biggest cash crops.

[SonnyBIlly]

It's not hard in theory I agree. What exaclty are they manufacturing that already isn't monopolized by surrounding nations? How can they be sustinance farmers when the soil here is not accommodating for very many crops? When you live the way they do generation after generation you try to make better for your offspring by the means available. Most of the farmers aren't "peddlers" they just grow the poppy.
The issue is that we have propped up their economy artificially, equipped a shaky Army, have multipe police forces who are basically State sponsored gangs, and all of this without any plan of sustainment especailly when we take away their two biggest cash crops.

Yeah true, and it's a conflicting goal: Stop the terrorists by making friends with drug growers, or stop the drug growers and see them side with the terrorists.

But if the US were to tolerate it, it should only be temporarily, and only for actual expediency. If you can stop the drug industry in Afghanistan without jeopardizing national security goals, then it should be done. I think the US underestimates its power and influence, and believes itself to be a hapless paper tiger too often: tip toeing around Afghan corruption, non-Taliban terrorists, and drug growing etc.

They have the power to pacify the country and enforce continued compliance, so it's no longer a threat, either from terrorists or drugs: if there was the will.

[Tekkendo]

It's not hard in theory I agree. What exaclty are they manufacturing that already isn't monopolized by surrounding nations? How can they be sustinance farmers when the soil here is not accommodating for very many crops? When you live the way they do generation after generation you try to make better for your offspring by the means available. Most of the farmers aren't "peddlers" they just grow the poppy.
The issue is that we have propped up their economy artificially, equipped a shaky Army, have multipe police forces who are basically State sponsored gangs, and all of this without any plan of sustainment especailly when we take away their two biggest cash crops.

Bulll..

They definitely can grow other crops like they have been doing for ages. If the land was not suitbable for growing food, they would have died off or moved away centuries ago. The reason they grow poppy is simply b/c it is far more PROFITABLE. Doh.

Lemme guess.. u are also one of those who believe the Talib banned opium production/trade, amirite?


lolz...

[PrettyPinkDonut]

Bulll..

They definitely can grow other crops like they have been doing for ages. If the land was not suitbable for growing food, they would have died off or moved away centuries ago. The reason they grow poppy is simply b/c it is far more PROFITABLE. Doh.

Lemme guess.. u are also one of those who believe the Talib banned opium production/trade, amirite?


lolz...

WTF why would I believe that. The Taliban operate like a Mafia in that peasants have to "pay for protection", and for their "services".
Also, yes I agree, they can grow other things but people don't want to grow rice and raise goats until the day they die.

Please share what your simple solution to a country (that doesn't recognize itself as a country) is, outside of continued patrolling until the day we die / run out of money / Red Dawn.

Trust me I see your point, no need to make nonsensical opinions up as to my dogma, because when it comes to this place I really don't have one lol.

[PrettyPinkDonut]

Yeah true, and it's a conflicting goal: Stop the terrorists by making friends with drug growers, or stop the drug growers and see them side with the terrorists.

But if the US were to tolerate it, it should only be temporarily, and only for actual expediency. If you can stop the drug industry in Afghanistan without jeopardizing national security goals, then it should be done. I think the US underestimates its power and influence, and believes itself to be a hapless paper tiger too often: tip toeing around Afghan corruption, non-Taliban terrorists, and drug growing etc.

They have the power to pacify the country and enforce continued compliance, so it's no longer a threat, either from terrorists or drugs: if there was the will.

This is true only if you are willing to commit the majority of the armed forces to a continued campaign against poppy until we all die. We have been here for 11 years and we are still finding legacy IED's, caches, etc. on a near daily basis.

[Tekkendo]

WTF why would I believe that. The Taliban operate like a Mafia in that peasants have to "pay for protection", and for their "services".
Also, yes I agree, they can grow other things but people don't want to grow rice and raise goats until the day they die.

Please share what your simple solution to a country (that doesn't recognize itself as a country) is, outside of continued patrolling until the day we die / run out of money / Red Dawn.

Trust me I see your point, no need to make nonsensical opinions up as to my dogma, because when it comes to this place I really don't have one lol.

You do it the old fashion way. You support the strongest a__hole among the a__holes, and let him lord over the rest the old fashion way, ie brute force + the carrot and stick thing. Forget about making a mini USA out of the savages. That has never worked. Backward civilization needs to take its own course in due time. They love strongman, so give them what they want. Russia is following that strategy with great success in Chechenya.

You let them grow a certain amount of opium and contract to buy those from them wholesale. The condition is they must police themselves and prevent others from growing opium. You can bet your arse they will do a much better job at controlling the drug trade. We can use the opium to produce heroin and morphine for the domestic need. Heroin should be medicalized and provided to registered addicts for free at the hospitals or clinincs.

[SonnyBIlly]

This is true only if you are willing to commit the majority of the armed forces to a continued campaign against poppy until we all die. We have been here for 11 years and we are still finding legacy IED's, caches, etc. on a near daily basis.

It doesn't have to be an all military solution.

As an example, Chechnya during it's brief independence was totally lawless, a lair of gangsters and Islamic terrorists.

Yet Russia today manages to pacify and control the region, largely through client locals who you pay, and if need be, hold in line, backed up by the ready threat and occasional use of overwhelming military force. If there's a will there's a way.

Would you say over a similar time period (since Putin and the Second Chechen War in 1999) that Russia has achieved a better result inside* Chechnya, than NATO has in Afghanistan?

*But not outside of Chechnya, where they've let many terrorist attacks in Russia proper slip through, whilst we've had none in the West originating from Afghanistan.

Edit: ^That.

[PSUbrah]

Bulll..

They definitely can grow other crops like they have been doing for ages. If the land was not suitbable for growing food, they would have died off or moved away centuries ago. The reason they grow poppy is simply b/c it is far more PROFITABLE. Doh.

Lemme guess.. u are also one of those who believe the Talib banned opium production/trade, amirite?


lolz...

The real Taliban eradicated the opium issue. There were others who called themselves the Taliban that sold opium but they were unaffiliated with Mullah Omar and the REAL Taliban. The Taliban isn't this unified group America claims they are. Of course western intelligence realizes this but they prefer to pretend they don't in order slander them.

From the fall of Najibullah to the NATO invasion opium was only a problem in Northern Alliance and Hezb e Islam territory in the North. They were the ones making secret deals with Russia. To this day, people from the Northern Alliance are involved in the drug trade. These, I might add, are the same people running the current Afghanistan government. Hamid Karzai's brother is on CIA payroll and he beleived to profiting of opium.

[Zedbimmer]

The real Taliban eradicated the opium issue. There were others who called themselves the Taliban that sold opium but they were unaffiliated with Mullah Omar and the REAL Taliban. The Taliban isn't this unified group America claims they are.

From the fall of Najibullah to the NATO invasion opium was only a problem in Northern Alliance and Hezb e Islam territory in the North. They were the ones making secret deals with Russia. To this day, people from the Northern Alliance are involved in the drug trade. These, I might add, are the same people running the current Afghanistan government. Hamid Karzai's brother is on CIA payroll and he beleived to profiting of opium.

You dont seem to understand Tekkendo thought process, you see the Taliban ever since their creation have been the same, done the same stuff, composed of the same people, no change in anything even when the environment/season changes. Yet a president changes in the US or Israel and all of a sudden the whole system has changed, no!!, Bush wanted war using these military guys, Obama comes in an Oh crap! new charter!! we are know stopping killing for killing for occupation and now killing for peace. Change everybody!!

[rollo]

Then you should know this isn't news. The only people in the world who should be afraid are the ones who are planning to kill your family and my family. I would rather the CIA be wrong and kill the wrong person then be wrong and not kill the right person who ends up killing me. Think about that last sentence then try to call me an anti patriot.

It isn't very complicated. Don't associate with terrorists, don't fear for your life. This war is unlike any other since terrorists are cowards who hide in civilian populations, therefore different measures must be taken so we survive. It's basically Dresden on a much much smaller scale.

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." -Johann Wolfgang von Goethe