Extrajudicial killing of US citizens continue

[essenn]

Vague and shifting laws now allow the US government to kill US citizens it deems a threat without trial. The rest of the world is already fukt as the US government just needs to label any old person a "terrorist" and begin finding ways to kill said person. How quickly did this beacon of democracy become a supporter and perpetrator of acts of terrorism?

Only the US citizens that rise up and speak out can bring an end to this. Only US citizens can take back their country and overthrow their corrupt, bought politicians.

http://rt.com/usa/drone-strike-possible-citizen-401/

A United States citizen accused of being an overseas �Al-Qaeda facilitator� could soon be killed by an American drone, the Associated Press reported on Monday, but first the US government must find a way to legally launch such a strike.

The person � whose name and suspected location were both withheld by the AP � is believed by US officials to be actively plotting attacks abroad against other Americans. But while the White House has previously admitted that four US citizens have been killed overseas by American drone strikes since President Barack Obama took office in 2009, a policy change made by his administration last year is now causing complications while the government wrestles with deciding which action to take this time around.

Last May, Pres. Obama said he�d be making major changes to the nation�s overseas drone program and would be working towards transferring control of those armed, unmanned aerial vehicles away from the secretive Central Intelligence Agency and fully into the hands of the Department of Defense.

According to at least one of the AP�s sources, however, the Defense Dept. is uncertain if the individual in question poses enough of an imminent threat to warrant immediate, lethal action without first having that person tried in a court of law.

The CIA still has control over some aspects of America�s drone programs, the AP acknowledged, but is barred from issuing any strikes against US citizens. That attribute alone would most likely mean that only the military would be poised to launch such an attack, but first the Department of Justice would be legally obligated to prove their case against the alleged insurgent � something, according to the AP, that has yet to be done.

�If the United States considers an operation against a terrorist identified as a US person, the Department of Justice will conduct an additional legal analysis to ensure that such action may be conducted against the individual consistent with the Constitution and laws of the United States,� reads a portion of the policy standards and procedures released by the White House last year.

According to the AP, one of the four officials who acknowledged possible plans to execute the American said the Pentagon was divided over taking lethal action, citing �the potential domestic fallout of killing an American without charging him with a crime or trying him, and the potential international fallout of such an operation in a country that has been resistant to US action.�

Another official, however, told the AP on condition of anonymity that the Pentagon has already recommended legal action against the person.

The AP has refrained from publishing information about the alleged Al-Qaeda facilitator�s identity or location, but their sources said he is believed to be in a �well-guarded� and �fairly remote location,� which would make a ground attack immensely more difficult and all the less likely. Additionally, government officials told the AP that publishing the name of the person�s alleged location could interrupt ongoing counterterror operations in the unnamed country � a country, according to the AP�s sources, that refuses US military action on its soil.

The AP said that the man being considered for execution is an Al-Qaeda facilitator, according to two sources, that "has been directly responsible for deadly attacks against US citizens overseas and who continues to plan attacks against them that would use improvised explosive devices."

In late 2011, the Obama administration ordered a drone strike in Yemen to kill Anwar Al-Awlaki, an American-born cleric accused of collaborating overseas with members of Al-Qaeda.

�I would have detained and prosecuted Awlaki if we captured him before he carried out a plot, but we couldn�t,� Obama said when he announced his new drone policies during an address at the National Defense University in Washington, DC last May. �And as president, I would have been derelict in my duty had I not authorized the strike that took him out.�

Two US officials now tell the AP that the Justice Dept. began investigating the latest, unnamed alleged American Al-Qaeda member back in the fall, and a senior person within the Obama administration added that the DoJ is using the same legal procedure as with Al-Awlaki to determine what course of action to take.

Regardless, the source added, Pres. Obama �could make an exception to his policy and authorize the CIA to strike on a onetime basis or authorize the Pentagon to act despite the possible objections of the country in question.�

After word of the AP story began to circulate Monday morning, Hina Shamsi of the American Civil Liberties Union issued a statement insisting that �The targeted killing of an American being considered right now shows the inherent danger of a killing program based on vague and shifting legal standards, which has made it disturbingly easy for the government to operate outside the law.�

�Today's revelations come as the administration continues to fight against even basic transparency about the thousands of people who have died in this lethal program, let alone accountability for the wrongful killings of US citizens,� added Shamsi, the director of the ACLU�s National Security Project.

In addition to Al-Awlaki, the White House has admitted to killing three other American citizens abroad since 2009 using drones � Samir Khan, Jude Kenan Mohammed and Al-Awlaki�s teenage son, Abdulrahman. The administration acknowledged that none of those three were intended to be executed, but were rather killed incidentally as the result of strikes waged against other alleged extremists.

Also on Monday, journalists Glenn Greenwald and Jeremey Scahill published the first stories for their new endeavor, First Look Media, which included accounts made by two former American drone operators who now oppose America�s use of unmanned aircraft to launch strikes from thousands of feet above the Earth without pinpoint accuracy. Speaking of drone strikes he personally took part in, one source told the reporters that the victims �might have been terrorists,� but added, �or they could have been family members who have nothing to do with the target�s activities.�

�I had to get out because we were told that the president wanted Awlaki dead. And I wanted him dead. I was told that he was a traitor to our country,� one of the operators, Brandon Bryant of the US Air Force, told First Look. �� I didn�t really understand that our Constitution covers people, American citizens, who have betrayed our country. They still deserve a trial.�

Britain�s Bureau of Investigative Journalism estimates that at least 273 civilians in Pakistan, Yemen and ****lia have been killed by drone strikes launched under Obama�s watch.

[Azrairc]

Rip op

[essenn]

Rip op

Do you condone or approve?

[spadelexus]

Tl;dr

[essenn]

Tl;dr

CIA gets data from NSA outlining the location of a SIM that a suspected terrorist may have used.

CIA bombs the location of the cellphone without solid proof, or evidence that a SUSPECTED terrorist is there. Lets forget about the fact that these drone attacks are wrong (that's already established), and focus on the fact that they are being carried out with solid evidence and innocent men, women and children are being murdered.

Maybe you should 'r' ... will give you more insight into what's going on around the world.

[spadelexus]

CIA gets data from NSA outlining the location of a SIM that a suspected terrorist may have used.

CIA bombs the location of the cellphone without solid proof, or evidence that a SUSPECTED terrorist is there. Lets forget about the fact that these drone attacks are wrong (that's already established), and focus on the fact that they are being carried out with solid evidence and innocent men, women and children are being murdered.

Maybe you should 'r' ... will give you more insight into what's going on around the world.

Or maybe I just 'don't act like a terrorist' and stay alive.

[essenn]

Or maybe I just 'don't act like a terrorist' and stay alive.

What are you on about?

I guess you didn't write tl;dr for no reason, you really, really don't read and don't have a clue at all about what's going on...

Can't blame you, there a millions in the same boat.

[PrettyPinkDonut]

Or maybe I just 'don't act like a terrorist' and stay alive.

As a U.S. soldier I can easily say that the mentality you are subscribing to is a huge threat to individual liberty and "government for the people".
Citizens pay my salary and allow me to provide a life for my wife, future kids, etc. I would never think or carry out an act against them that violated the constitution and individual liberty. When citizens ask me questions as to the nature of the military, I speak to them as if they are my boss.

[GregariousWolf]

As a russian spy, you're just jealous.

[ZioBot]

CIA gets data from NSA outlining the location of a SIM that a suspected terrorist may have used.

who the fk uses a second hand sim?

[spadelexus]

As a U.S. soldier I can easily say that the mentality you are subscribing to is a huge threat to individual liberty and "government for the people".
Citizens pay my salary and allow me to provide a life for my wife, future kids, etc. I would never think or carry out an act against them that violated the constitution and individual liberty. When citizens ask me questions as to the nature of the military, I speak to them as if they are my boss.

Then you should know this isn't news. The only people in the world who should be afraid are the ones who are planning to kill your family and my family. I would rather the CIA be wrong and kill the wrong person then be wrong and not kill the right person who ends up killing me. Think about that last sentence then try to call me an anti patriot.

It isn't very complicated. Don't associate with terrorists, don't fear for your life. This war is unlike any other since terrorists are cowards who hide in civilian populations, therefore different measures must be taken so we survive. It's basically Dresden on a much much smaller scale.

[PrettyPinkDonut]

Then you should know this isn't news. The only people in the world who should be afraid are the ones who are planning to kill your family and my family. I would rather the CIA be wrong and kill the wrong person then be wrong and not kill the right person who ends up killing me. Think about that last sentence then try to call me an anti patriot.

It isn't very complicated. Don't associate with terrorists, don't fear for your life. This war is unlike any other since terrorists are cowards who hide in civilian populations, therefore different measures must be taken so we survive. It's basically Dresden on a much much smaller scale.

Patriotism, imo, is a dangerous emotion.
This isn't a matter of killing shady people. Do you understand the multitudes of enemies we have created, propoganda we have fueled, by the massive amounts of innocents we have Hellfired / JDAM'd?
Brbr, kids digging irrigation ditches in the summer at night because the daytime is too hot. Brb eat a missle to the face. It happens, trust me.

[PrettyPinkDonut]

We also do not operate on the premise of "guilty until proven innocent". Sadly, I hold this more dear for Americans than I do for other nationalities.

[YARDGORILLAzek]

Does anyone think that this is a distraction by the chuck-n-jive bama administration?

This isn't a "leak" of information. This is a deliberate release.


The question is why?


Getting bogged down on the details is merely a ploy to act as if the Obama administration cares about the constitution?


N-please. Has anyone seen that the current admin. doesn't care about the constitution? Obama and Holder look at it as "negative" obstacles.

Now all of a sudden............."we care"

[PrettyPinkDonut]

Does anyone think that this is a distraction by the chuck-n-jive bama administration?

This isn't a "leak" of information. This is a deliberate release.


The question is why?


Getting bogged down on the details is merely a ploy to act as if the Obama administration cares about the constitution?


N-please. Has anyone seen that the current admin. doesn't care about the constitution? Obama and Holder look at it as "negative" obstacles.

Now all of a sudden............."we care"

RT is typically deemed "Anti-American". I think the most "American" thing to do is call us out on our own bull****.

[flairon]

The person — whose name and suspected location were both withheld by the AP

Translation: this story is bullsh*t

[LukeLissen]

RT is typically deemed "Anti-American". I think the most "American" thing to do is call us out on our own bull****.

'deemed' ?

RT is in fact the most dishonest anti-American propaganda machine on the planet, and a constant purveyor of lies.

Do not confuse the dishonest propaganda of your enemies with the honest truth of your friend. If you think it is "American" to naively believe the demoralization propaganda of an enemy, then son I have got sum bad newz.

[flairon]

RT is typically deemed "Anti-American". I think the most "American" thing to do is call us out on our own bull****.

RT is the leftovers of a russian news agency...yeah..its 'deemed anti-american'

[jbball92]

while I tend to lean more toward the constitution on most issues, this one however I can understand. Like, for fukks sake, coming to the US, gaining citizenship , learning how to fly planes into buildings and make bombs to kill people, then leaving after contributing nothing to society, and planning out acts of terrorism in god knows where... I would say you've crossed the line and rights mean jack **** at that point.

[Tekkendo]

'deemed' ?

RT is in fact the most dishonest anti-American propaganda machine on the planet, and a constant purveyor of lies.

Do not confuse the dishonest propaganda of your enemies with the honest truth of your friend. If you think it is "American" to naively believe the demoralization propaganda of an enemy, then son I have got sum bad newz.

Well, if u r an america hating toolbag, u would nuthug the Kremlin funded RT . Shocker, huh?

[JonathanRhimes]

Then you should know this isn't news. The only people in the world who should be afraid are the ones who are planning to kill your family and my family. I would rather the CIA be wrong and kill the wrong person then be wrong and not kill the right person who ends up killing me. Think about that last sentence then try to call me an anti patriot.

It isn't very complicated. Don't associate with terrorists, don't fear for your life. This war is unlike any other since terrorists are cowards who hide in civilian populations, therefore different measures must be taken so we survive. It's basically Dresden on a much much smaller scale.

For this mindset to work you would have to have faith that your government
-never makes mistakes
-never acts corruptly
-has never plotted false flags for political goals

Since the USA government fails all three, I for one am not just yet ready to suspend the rule of law and say that trial by jury is no longer valuable.

BRB senator hated you in high school
BRB you get droned for being a terrorist, govt needs to submit no proof because it's all classified
BRB RIP bill of rights

[flairon]

For this mindset to work you would have to have faith that your government
-never makes mistakes
-never acts corruptly
-has never plotted false flags for political goals

Since the USA government fails all three, I for one am not just yet ready to suspend the rule of law and say that trial by jury is no longer valuable.

BRB senator hated you in high school
BRB you get droned for being a terrorist, govt needs to submit no proof because it's all classified
BRB RIP bill of rights

it doesn't work quite like that

[SonnyBIlly]

Governments have always had the right to wage war, war involves killing the person you are waging war against. What does the fact that the person the war is being waged against happens to also be a citizen of the governments country have to do with it? I don't understand what it is you have a problem with? Is it the right of a government to wage war in principle?

In the US there is a double safeguard, that unlike in most other countries, the legislative branch has to authorize the executive before it can wage war. Hence the post September 11th authorizations by Congress to wage war against Al-Qaeda, under which the members of Al-Qaeda who also happen to be US Citizens, can be killed in that war by the US Government.

[Carpig]

Precedent has been set that once you collude with an enemy the status of your American citizenship is immaterial. You are a target just like any other Islamic scumbag.

[.hatches.]

I would rather the CIA be wrong and kill the wrong person then be wrong and not kill the right person

I would rather the CIA be wrong and kill the wrong person then be wrong and not kill the right person

I would rather the CIA be wrong and kill the wrong person then be wrong and not kill the right person

I would rather the CIA be wrong and kill the wrong person then be wrong and not kill the right person

I would rather the CIA be wrong and kill the wrong person then be wrong and not kill the right person

I would rather the CIA be wrong and kill the wrong person then be wrong and not kill the right person

I would rather the CIA be wrong and kill the wrong person then be wrong and not kill the right person

This right here is a perfect example of a Zionist

[Tekkendo]

Precedent has been set that once you collude with an enemy the status of your American citizenship is immaterial. You are a target just like any other Islamic scumbag.

^^this.

Zero f given. Happy to see my taxes go to paying for the Hellfire missiles.

[Tekkendo]

For this mindset to work you would have to have faith that your government
-never makes mistakes
-never acts corruptly
-has never plotted false flags for political goals

Since the USA government fails all three, I for one am not just yet ready to suspend the rule of law and say that trial by jury is no longer valuable.

BRB senator hated you in high school
BRB you get droned for being a terrorist, govt needs to submit no proof because it's all classified
BRB RIP bill of rights

military operations do not need the approval of jury.

Oh no.. better read those nazi troops their rights and get them a team of lawyers. Dont want to commit murder by firing at them!!

[MuzzieChik786]

Only the US citizens that rise up and speak out can bring an end to this. Only US citizens can take back their country and overthrow their corrupt, bought politicians.

Good luck with that one homie. Their minds are full of too much other noise and different colours of "threat levels" to see anything else.

[TaterAndEgg]

We got a special breed of stupid in this country, which is probably why they published this story in rt.com, rather than the U.S. press. This is not a good thing no matter which way you put it. The 'terrorists' are, by and large, a creation by the major powers of the world and used as straw boogeyman to shift geopolitical power and resources and build a totalitarian police state control grid. They are useful idiots used to perform a role. Most terrorist agencies, just like most drug cartels, are controlled and allowed to operate only through their collusion and the good graces of the government agencies which built and trained them.

People really surprised to know that Al Queda is a CIA creation, or that the Mexican drug cartels had an existing agreement with the DEA (and later, apparently with ATF as well). Most of the 'terror' suspects the FBI arrests in highly publicized cases turn out to be useful idiots who are later setup by the government (see WTC bombing, underwear bomber). How many CIA planes filled with tons of drugs have to go down between the US and South America before people wake up to whose controlling the drug trade?

Pirates and emperors my friends. Some of the world's greatest criminals are those who sit in the highest perches of government and in key positions of power. Yet the clowns out there saying "if you did nothing wrong, why does it matter?" Probably the same people who want to burn Snowden on a stake for blowing the whistle on an out of control government.

[jbball92]

We got a special breed of stupid in this country, which is probably why they published this story in rt.com, rather than the U.S. press. This is not a good thing no matter which way you put it. The 'terrorists' are, by and large, a creation by the major powers of the world and used as straw boogeyman to shift geopolitical power and resources and build a totalitarian police state control grid. They are useful idiots used to perform a role. Most terrorist agencies, just like most drug cartels, are controlled and allowed to operate only through their collusion and the good graces of the government agencies which built and trained them.

People really surprised to know that Al Queda is a CIA creation, or that the Mexican drug cartels had an existing agreement with the DEA (and later, apparently with ATF as well). Most of the 'terror' suspects the FBI arrests in highly publicized cases turn out to be useful idiots who are later setup by the government (see WTC bombing, underwear bomber). How many CIA planes filled with tons of drugs have to go down between the US and South America before people wake up to whose controlling the drug trade?

Pirates and emperors my friends. Some of the world's greatest criminals are those who sit in the highest perches of government and in key positions of power. Yet the clowns out there saying "if you did nothing wrong, why does it matter?" Probably the same people who want to burn Snowden on a stake for blowing the whistle on an out of control government.

lmao here we go...


please go tell 9/11 victims families and Kurds in Iraq how Osama and Sadam were "straw boogeymen"