So I'm sure this is answered somewhere else but I'm gonna ask anyways... what is the purpose for a keto diet in terms of bodybuilding? what are the health benefits etc? it says low carbs? i thought carbs were essential for building muscle?
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01-31-2014, 05:43 AM #1
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01-31-2014, 10:33 AM #2
A ketogenic diet is a high fat, adequate protein, low carbohydrate diet. When you go on a low carbohydrate diet your body switches from using carbohydrates as its main source of fuel to instead using fat/ketone bodies as its main source of fuel. By cutting carbs it is easier to burn fat and lose water weight. You will also continue to build muscle or maintain lean muscle mass because it contains plenty of healthy complete protein and essential fats. Just remember that carbohydrates are not an essential nutrient and you do not need them to survive. Protein, fat, vitamins, minerals, and water are all essential but most people don't know that you do not need carbohydrates to live if you are eating enough fat.
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01-31-2014, 12:47 PM #3
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01-31-2014, 08:15 PM #6
So you admit that the information is out there, you're just too lazy to google? Wow.
You shouldn't be answering any questions here. Negs when off recharge.
Carbs are an energy source and do play a role in muscle building. However, you can still build muscle without them. The shrinking effect from low carbs is because the muscles look flat without the extra water being stored.Psych & handcuffs
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01-31-2014, 08:24 PM #7
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02-01-2014, 03:57 AM #13
I'm not Native American, nor am i in the military, so there's no reason to call me a chief.
I simply thought since you appear to have a child, you'd be adept at doing some research on things. However your posting style, upon further evaluation, doesn't scream educated.Psych & handcuffs
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02-01-2014, 05:34 AM #14
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02-01-2014, 11:33 AM #17
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If you knew it was not possible except for extenuating circumstances, then why would you even say it? And to gain any substantial muscle, you will need to gain fat. So again, gaining muscle and "maintaining fat" is not a very likely scenario. Here's my suggestion, take the time to read this forum for a month or two, both this and the nutrition section, then start posting as the two threads I've seen you post in have been full of misinformation. If you are giving someone poor information, even if unintentionally, then you could be harming them.
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02-02-2014, 03:22 PM #20
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MetilHed, with all the information out there, the purpose of keto in regards to bodybuilding is highly debatable. And it was original OP's question. Not the very basic "keto 101" shize. We can't even agree to disagree to insulin spikes and importance, and there was not one bodybuilder who would grow big following strict keto diet. It works wonders, but apparently only when coupled with carb-loading phase. And, like OP's said, most studies are for diabetic people or epileptic children, filled with stuff which does not concern bodybuilders at all. We are essentially on our own here, basically going by anecdotal reports and our own results. So, go easy, OP's question was a noble one.
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02-02-2014, 03:33 PM #21
I see your point. But there is a huge amount of info available right in this forum, and plenty via google if you add the term "bodybuilding". The title "what is keto" and his OP (health benefits) also point to a general (not only BB) answer.
Certainly epilepsy treatment is not the only thing that comes up, or even the most prevalent.
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02-03-2014, 07:31 AM #22
The two threads I posted in were not full of misinformation. IT is simply a fact that the human body does not require the compound sodium chloride to function and it is not essential. Of course a little sea salt or crystal salt is not going to kill you and it is okay to include a little in your diet if you would like, but it is not essential just like carbohydrates are not essential to live. I have read elsewhere that it is possible to gain muscle while gaining minimal or trivial amounts of fat if you do the correct calorie surplus. You are probably right though that you are going to have to gain some amount of fat in order to gain muscle.
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10-27-2015, 01:33 PM #25
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Right. All the educated "experts" on here would know and WARN people that spilling ketones for a diabetic person is EXTREMELY DANGEROUS and can be FATAL !
Read for yourself.
Straight off...... www (DOT) Diabetes (DOT) org
DKA (Ketoacidosis) & Ketones
Diabetic ketoacidosis (DKA) is a serious condition that can lead to diabetic coma (passing out for a long time) or even death.
When your cells don't get the glucose they need for energy, your body begins to burn fat for energy, which produces ketones. Ketones are chemicals that the body creates when it breaks down fat to use for energy. The body does this when it doesn’t have enough insulin to use glucose, the body’s normal source of energy. When ketones build up in the blood, they make it more acidic. They are a warning sign that your diabetes is out of control or that you are getting sick.
High levels of ketones can poison the body. When levels get too high, you can develop DKA. DKA may happen to anyone with diabetes, though it is rare in people with type 2.
Treatment for DKA usually takes place in the hospital. But you can help prevent it by learning the warning signs and checking your urine and blood regularly.
What are the Warning Signs of DKA?
DKA usually develops slowly. But when vomiting occurs, this life-threatening condition can develop in a few hours. Early symptoms include the following:
Thirst or a very dry mouth
Frequent urination
High blood glucose (blood sugar) levels
High levels of ketones in the urine
Then, other symptoms appear:
Constantly feeling tired
Dry or flushed skin
Nausea, vomiting, or abdominal pain
(Vomiting can be caused by many illnesses, not just ketoacidosis. If vomiting continues for more than 2 hours, contact your health care provider.)
Difficulty breathing
Fruity odor on breath
A hard time paying attention, or confusion
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10-27-2015, 02:25 PM #26
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I should have posted about Hypoglycemia with Ketosis as well. This is more likely with the Keto diet.
Going Hypoglemic with Ketosis equally as dangerous and potentially fatal as Ketoacidosis is for diabetics
I can't post links yet but the following is off Wikipedia.
Hypoglycemia with ketosis: the broad sense....
There are hundreds of causes of hypoglycemia. Normally, the defensive, physiological response to a falling blood glucose is reduction of insulin secretion to undetectable levels, and release of glucagon, adrenaline, and other counterregulatory hormones. This shift of hormones initiates glycogenolysis and gluconeogenesis in the liver, and lipolysis in adipose tissue.
Lipids are metabolized to triglycerides, in turn to fatty acids, which are transformed in the mitochondria of liver and kidney cells to the ketone bodies— acetoacetate, beta-hydroxybutyrate, and acetone. Ketones can be used by the brain as an alternate fuel when glucose is scarce. A high level of ketones in the blood, ketosis, is thus a normal response to hypoglycemia in healthy people of all ages.
The presence or absence of ketosis is therefore an important clue to the cause of hypoglycemia in an individual patient. Absence of ketosis ("nonketotic hypoglycemia") most often indicates excessive insulin as the cause of the hypoglycemia. Less commonly, it may indicate a fatty acid oxidation disorder.
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10-31-2015, 08:06 AM #27
Quora also has a well established Keto community.
Also TJB0317 comments about salt are very correct. The reason why you hear people say you need to have salt in your diet isn't because of sodium chloride. It's because of iodine. Something which isn't in sea salt. Iodine very much is needed and it only takes a little. The thing is, all the hidden salt in processed food usually does the trick.Last edited by FoolsErrand; 10-31-2015 at 08:12 AM.
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