How Many Pounds to A 6-Pack?

[Fokized]

Just using abs as a measure of leanness brah as far as reaching a bottom line goes, before starting a lean bulk. Ultimate goal is aesthetics, but am okay not being aesthetic or "looking like i lift" during the long process.

Sorry but this is retarded. You obviously have no idea what you are doing. You have trained inconsistently for years and wouldn't even know how to properly "lean bulk" once you reach that level. All your going to do by cutting down more is make that process longer. Get your ass in gear and in tune now with eating and lifting properly and abs will come as a result. I don't have a "6pack" but abs come as you progress no matter what.

[MyAvatar]

Sorry but this is retarded. You obviously have no idea what you are doing. You have trained inconsistently for years and wouldn't even know how to properly "lean bulk" once you reach that level. All your going to do by cutting down more is make that process longer. Get your ass in gear and in tune now with eating and lifting properly and abs will come as a result. I don't have a "6pack" but abs come as you progress no matter what.

Been in tune with eating and lifting with consistency for a few months now, been pleased with progress. I don't know why I would change a thing if I am moving in the right direction?

[bigfish18q]

Need to do a clean bulk brah. I know it's been said, but that's the only way you're going to look the way you want I'm guessing. Trying a routine that incorporates some strength training as well as hypertrophy. PHAT is great, and gives a good all around approach. I would do that for a solid 6 months at least. Then try a slow, and I mean SLOW cut. High intensity cardio twice a week. Think 10-15 second full speed sprints for 8 sets, about 2 mins in between sets. That is HIIT. Anything more than 15 mins, and it becomes LISS.

[lucidz]

Been doing that. Been doing Greg Plitt's MFT28 program. I don't believe I am anorexic. Just sick and tired of not being shredded after years of sub-par training

homey if you've been working out for years... I dont know dude. You really should just suck it up and bulk then cut. I dont know how else you're gonna get dem abs. 154 at 5'10 is miniscule.

gl bro. I decided to bulk last year. Was about your size. Got up to 192. Now cutting (at 187.6) I should be good and shredded around 178 (180 with glycogen)

[L1ghtweight]

Heh I was in your spot a few years back. Was thinking I was "shredded" with a barely passable 6-pack at around 148 pounds. Spend almost the past two years lean bulking non-stop and now I'm at 190 lbs still relatively lean. Been cutting since Jan 1st, cant wait till this summer!

[MyAvatar]

Need to do a clean bulk brah. I know it's been said, but that's the only way you're going to look the way you want I'm guessing. Trying a routine that incorporates some strength training as well as hypertrophy. PHAT is great, and gives a good all around approach. I would do that for a solid 6 months at least. Then try a slow, and I mean SLOW cut. High intensity cardio twice a week. Think 10-15 second full speed sprints for 8 sets, about 2 mins in between sets. That is HIIT. Anything more than 15 mins, and it becomes LISS.

The next phase is already set to be a lean bulk. What do I risk to lose if I hold off on a bulk for 7-8 more lbs of fat loss?

[AimHighWillis]

You want to weigh 145 pounds?

Good luck with your blowing away in a strong gust of wind goals for 2014 OP

[MyAvatar]

Heh I was in your spot a few years back. Was thinking I was "shredded" with a barely passable 6-pack at around 148 pounds. Spend almost the past two years lean bulking non-stop and now I'm at 190 lbs still relatively lean. Been cutting since Jan 1st, cant wait till this summer!

Do you feel you look more aesthetic now or more aesthetic when you were 148 lbs (shirtless of course)?

[MyAvatar]

Congrats on your weightloss. I am also an endo so I know where you're coming from. Having abs wont better your health in anyway, you will only have abs but twig arms/legs/delts lol. Plus it's still winter, go on a LEAN bulk (500 calories surplus) until end of March then go on a slow cut again. Make sure you're gaining only 0.5 to 1 pound a week. Put some mass on, then get lean. Having abs with decent sized arms/legs will be much better IMO.

Throw in light cardio 1-2 times a week when you're doing a lean bulk, as Endos, we get chunky real quick...gotta be careful with that.

I hear you man. If I was to bulk for the next 10 weeks, would it be worth spending that time to gain only like 3-5 pounds? As opposed to continue the same difference in fat loss (as in continue to cut)?

[ameindel]

I'm going to say fuk what the scale says and get shredded.

You'll look big when you're ripped (shirtless, of course). Bodybuilding is all illusions/smoke/mirrors. Remember that.

About the clothes thing...get some that fit you when you melt down and you'll look good.

[Reach4More]

Just be safe bro, lots of good advice in this thread. When i started out I thought I could just lose fat till I was shredded, the end result was.



Think I was 157 in that pic, thought I was ripped as fuark too. Felt like chit all the time being that low bf.

[MyAvatar]

I'm going to say fuk what the scale says and get shredded.

You'll look big when you're ripped (shirtless, of course). Bodybuilding is all illusions/smoke/mirrors. Remember that.

About the clothes thing...get some that fit you when you melt down and you'll look good.

I'll be honest. I am not too concerned about looking like I lift with a shirt on. I mean, it would be nice, but I am a straight-legged jeans and a button-up type of guy. I might rock a v-neck , but it is very rare and only when its the warm season.

[MyAvatar]

Just be safe bro, lots of good advice in this thread. When i started out I thought I could just lose fat till I was shredded, the end result was.

lol fak you def look better now.

[L1ghtweight]

Do you feel you look more aesthetic now or more aesthetic when you were 148 lbs (shirtless of course)?

I feel better overall now for sure. I will never go back down to that weight. I feel like a beast now and just lol at my old self especially for thinking I was "big" back then. I can rep the amount now that I was maxing at on bench when I was 148. In the end, I am hoping to cut down to around 170 and be just as lean as I was when I was 148. I really didn't put on a ton of fat either, I am probably 16% now and I was probably 10% then. After this spring cut, I will look 50 times better than I did before I started my bulk.

[naich]

Lulz that'll probably happen. Feeling weak as phawk cuz. I feel like a 12 yr old can come and just flick me aside. Dat feel doe.

then stop doing greg plitss bullchit and get on a strength program or at least incorporate heavy compounds...damn dude, you'll never get big doing 5 sts of 20 rep front raises all day

[ahkjdh13]

I know your feel brah. being skinny fat sucks because you want to be shredded but you also need mass. Alot of people say just to bulk up but that will end up in just looking more fat. I agree with you on getting shredded and then have a lean bulk life style. its much easier to manage

[bw0434]

Why do u guys 5'10 and up want to be under 200 lbs I don't ****in get it. I get mad when the scale says lower than 200.

[MyAvatar]

then stop doing greg plitss bullchit and get on a strength program or at least incorporate heavy compounds...damn dude, you'll never get big doing 5 sts of 20 rep front raises all day

I just said that I am seeing and feeling progress on Plitt's program. Why would I change it if I feel and see visible progress?

[MyAvatar]

I feel better overall now for sure. I will never go back down to that weight. I feel like a beast now and just lol at my old self especially for thinking I was "big" back then. I can rep the amount now that I was maxing at on bench when I was 148. In the end, I am hoping to cut down to around 170 and be just as lean as I was when I was 148. I really didn't put on a ton of fat either, I am probably 16% now and I was probably 10% then. After this spring cut, I will look 50 times better than I did before I started my bulk.

Thats awesome man. Very happy for you.

[Reach4More]

then stop doing greg plitss bullchit and get on a strength program or at least incorporate heavy compounds...damn dude, you'll never get big doing 5 sts of 20 rep front raises all day

So much this. Lot's of good starting routines to build a good base.

I started with All-Pro myself, loved it.

[MyAvatar]

I know your feel brah. being skinny fat sucks because you want to be shredded but you also need mass. Alot of people say just to bulk up but that will end up in just looking more fat. I agree with you on getting shredded and then have a lean bulk life style. its much easier to manage

For sure. I have bulked twice, both resulted in me getting stronger, but both resulted in me being chunky as fawk. Its just harder to track and monitor your fat:muscle gain ratio, when your starting point is not shredded.

[dethcomesrippin]

How did you change your training/diet program when you switched from cut to a lean bulk? That is my intention as well. How long have you been lean bulking thus far, how much weight have you gained and are you seeing more lean gains than fat gains?

I started bulking around October 28th and have gained around 7 pounds. ive put on a bit of fat but not much. I do seem to be holding a lot more water though going from eating 150 carbs a day to over 400. I just try and gain around a half pound a week and keep my lifts improving.

ive only been lifting around a year and for the first 9 months of it i was cutting i originally started losing weight at around 260 and started lifting at 212 and cut down to 153. i ran stronglifts for about 6 months until i used my noob gains and the weight started crushing me and i started losing muscle then switched to some dumb push pull bro split 5 days a week for the rest of my cut. i lost a lot off my lifts with the bro split and cutting too hard. ive been running icecreamfitness 5x5 ever since i started bulking a few months ago and got my lifts back up to 180 5x5 bench 240 5x5 squat 295 for a working set deadlift and 105 5x5 ohp. i hate bro splits and really like strength training. hoorah.

[bigfish18q]

For sure. I have bulked twice, both resulted in me getting stronger, but both resulted in me being chunky as fawk. Its just harder to track and monitor your fat:muscle gain ratio, when your starting point is not shredded.

How heavy did you get up to? I doubt you've looked "chunky" if you're 154 now. Starting to think you may have a case of body dismorphic disorder. Srs. Kind of like how women psychologically struggle with bulking, because gaining weight is "bad". Not comparing you to a woman persay, so don't worry... but that psychological effect is still prevalent in men too.

[raekwon685]

The reason you have been training inconsistently/chitty is because your goal is just "aesthetics."
It can be motivating at first to think you're gonna look good on the beach, but to actually get significant size and look good, its going to take a long time(unless cell tech). "Aesthetics" is a chitty goal long term. You'll never gain size if as soon as you get a little bloated you go do 2 hours of cardio.
Set some real goals for yourself. ie: Bench/squat/dead 2/3/4 plates and eventually 3/4/5 plates and so on. Getting "shredded" quick for some self validation is not going to motivate you to keep working out as you get older. Stop being a pu$$y and set some real goals for yourself.

[PASR]

Why do u guys 5'10 and up want to be under 200 lbs I don't ****in get it. I get mad when the scale says lower than 200.

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[lucidz]

The next phase is already set to be a lean bulk. What do I risk to lose if I hold off on a bulk for 7-8 more lbs of fat loss?

You increase the percentage of atrophe to fat ratio when you cut at an already low body weight. By increasing your overall size, you not only increase your abdominal hypertrophy (bigger, stronger abs) you increase the amount of mass you have which makes it easier to get to a weight where your abs will show up while still having the rest of you not look like a starving ethiopian.

How heavy did you get up to? I doubt you've looked "chunky" if you're 154 now. Starting to think you may have a case of body dismorphic disorder. Srs. Kind of like how women psychologically struggle with bulking, because gaining weight is "bad". Not comparing you to a woman persay, so don't worry... but that psychological effect is still prevalent in men too.

Yeah, severe body dysmorphia is pretty much the number one reason guys hop on bikes when they're not competing in an athletic competition.

[MyAvatar]

I started bulking around October 28th and have gained around 7 pounds. ive put on a bit of fat but not much. I do seem to be holding a lot more water though going from eating 150 carbs a day to over 400. I just try and gain around a half pound a week and keep my lifts improving.

ive only been lifting around a year and for the first 9 months of it i was cutting i originally started losing weight at around 260 and started lifting at 212 and cut down to 153. i ran stronglifts for about 6 months until i used my noob gains and the weight started crushing me and i started losing muscle then switched to some dumb push pull bro split 5 days a week for the rest of my cut. i lost a lot off my lifts with the bro split and cutting too hard. ive been running icecreamfitness 5x5 ever since i started bulking a few months ago and got my lifts back up to 180 5x5 bench 240 5x5 squat 295 for a working set deadlift and 105 5x5 ohp. i hate bro splits and really like strength training. hoorah.

Sounds like a lot of trial and error, but that's awesome you seem to have things figured out.

[Quadzillas]

Stop cutting and gain some more muscle.

[Turi2]

5'10 153 and cutting are you anorexic? Why not lift and do some ab hypertrophy excersizes?

LOL this. I'm about your height too and can't even imagine weighing that little.... True I don't have a sixpack but still, 153 is way too low, just lean bulk or something.

[MyAvatar]

How heavy did you get up to? I doubt you've looked "chunky" if you're 154 now. Starting to think you may have a case of body dismorphic disorder. Srs. Kind of like how women psychologically struggle with bulking, because gaining weight is "bad". Not comparing you to a woman persay, so don't worry... but that psychological effect is still prevalent in men too.

I got up to about 202-204 pounds. Lifts were all up equitably. I am sure I have body dysmorphia to an extent. However, I am fully aware that I look better than the average joe off the street. However , I compare myself to other lifters on this site who have amazing physiques. This is what motivates me. And not to mention , I would rather hold myself up against people who have gotten further than me than people who don't care about lifting at all.