soreness isn't a factor of growth

[Visagex]

then why do my most developed muscles get the most DOMS?

yep

[philribeiro1]

cause you have more muscle mass to get sore

[Visagex]

cause you have more muscle mass to get sore

then you must not get sore at all

headshot

[yushhh]

I didn't get sore through the vast majority of my major growth.

[Visagex]

I didn't get sore through the vast majority of my major growth.

idk brah

for real tho the muscles i would consider to be my strong points get the most doms, and my lacking bodyparts do not get sore.

[Dodo4876]

I think soreness is affected by how much you actually broke down while training

Edit : They lack because you don't hit them as hard

[Visagex]

I think soreness is affected by how much you actually broke down while training

Edit : They lack because you don't hit them as hard

not true, i hit all my muscles with proper form and an incredible amount of volume

[Dodo4876]

not true, i hit all my muscles with proper form and an incredible amount of volume

Well we are then left with genetics

[Meadey]

the muscles you don't get doms in must be tiny then

[philribeiro1]

which muscles do you feel the least sore in? Also no need to be an ass

[Visagex]

the muscles you don't get doms in must be tiny then

like your chest?

@phil

Triceps, Parts of my back.

[Meadey]

yes and calves lmao
growing but everything else is growing faster fuuuuuuuuuuck

[Visagex]

yes and calves lmao
growing but everything else is growing faster fuuuuuuuuuuck

**** calves, wear high socks

[Meadey]

**** calves, wear high socks

nice man

[94Ryan94]

You're correct soreness and growth do not correlate. I've grew off many workouts i haven't been sore from. Their hasn't actually been any evidential or facts to back up the myths of soreness and hypertrophy. Common myths, broke down muscle fibres, lactic acid waste, overtraining. They could be correct, i don't know. I believe DOMS is an inflammation response to the muscle area trained. Think of hitting a thumb with a hammer, it inflames, it gets sore, blood rushes, it swoles it hurts to use the thumb. thing, everyone here has had an intense leg day, squats destroy our legs, create microtears in our legs so what does it do? Go into recovery phase the first step is inflammation to rush blood to the affected area. Then they get numb and painful like the thumb, why its hard to walk, then it supercompensates like the thumb to recover and return to the normal healthy, painless state, but stronger so am assault in the future won't hurt as much. I guarantee if you hit your thumb with a hammer in a workout pattern it would inflame, compensate, strengthen etc, then eventually you can build up pain tolerance much higher in the thumb, like how squats build out leg strength size etc. Well, that's my 2 cents.

[letsdothisbro]

No, soreness can be an indicator of growth, it's just not a reliable indicator because growth can occur without it. In that aspect, DOMS are a completely user-dependent issue.

[Meadey]

growth can occur without it.

therefore not an indicator of growth

[yushhh]

therefore not an indicator of growth

I think it could be, but is not always. I don't think you can rule it out simply because it is not always.

[letsdothisbro]

therefore not an indicator of growth

You completely missed my point. It's simply not a reliable indicator. I may say that when you hear the loud sound of something hitting the floor that means someone fell. Although true at times, the loud sound does not need to be present when someone falls.

[Meadey]

wtf are you talking about?

Growth can occur without soreness + Soreness does not mean the muscle will grow => Soreness is not an indicator of growth

[FranTheMan921]

You completely missed my point. It's simply not a reliable indicator. I may say that when you hear the loud sound of something hitting the floor that means someone fell. Although true at times, the loud sound does not need to be present when someone falls.

/thread

[letsdothisbro]

wtf are you talking about?

Growth can occur without soreness + Soreness does not mean the muscle will grow => Soreness is not an indicator of growth

Yet soreness can indicate broken down microfibres in the muscle, so it may indicate some growth. This is not set in stone, rely more on progress than soreness, but you don't have to make it black and white.

[Meadey]

Yet soreness can indicate broken down microfibres in the muscle, so it may indicate some growth. This is not set in stone, rely more on progress than soreness, but you don't have to make it black and white.

so we agree that:

Growth can happen without soreness
and
Soreness =/=> growth (saying: if you are sore your muscles need not necessarily be growing)

therefore, soreness is not an indicator of growth

If the two things can happen independently of one another, then neither are indicators of the other

[spek578]

Wait a minute so the DOMs I'm getting from my hanging split jelqs don't mean my peñor is growing?

[letsdothisbro]

so we agree that:

Growth can happen without soreness
and
Soreness =/=> growth (saying: if you are sore your muscles need not necessarily be growing)

therefore, soreness is not an indicator of growth

If the two things can happen independently of one another, then neither are indicators of the other

Ok, whatever, I give up.

[Meadey]

Ok, whatever, I give up.

I would too

[spek578]

so we agree that:

Growth can happen without soreness
and
Soreness =/=> growth (saying: if you are sore your muscles need not necessarily be growing)

therefore, soreness is not an indicator of growth

If the two things can happen independently of one another, then neither are indicators of the other

[Rob7878]

**** calves all together

Big calves aren`t aesthetic
-chestbrah

[SamSix]

because they're bigger...

I think soreness is affected by how much you actually broke down while training

Edit : They lack because you don't hit them as hard

i agree to some extent. people have been saying for years that its from lactic acid build up. i think its just from trauma. tearing, strain, etc