80% genetics 10% diet 10% training

[Bleachway]

Genetics is an excuse for those unwilling or unable to test their limits in my opinion. Everyone can make something great, the human body is remarkable.

Tired of ppl blaming things on genetics all the time. More like 80% nutrition 20% proper training and 100% dedication

100% truth.

[mattadams87]

Ah, ok. And yes, that was directed towards everyone. In my personal experience training others, they have all said the same thing in the beginning. "I'm eating right, I'm doing this, this and that every day and I'm so consistent." Come to find out, none of that is as true as they'd like to believe.

[EastSideBoxer]

lol at retards ITT so ur saying with perfect diet and training we can all look like jeff seid, zyzz, the other greats?

[Otaman]

Genetics is an excuse for those unwilling or unable to test their limits in my opinion. Everyone can make something great, the human body is remarkable.

Tired of ppl blaming things on genetics all the time. More like 80% nutrition 20% proper training and 100% dedication

bingo

[mattadams87]

With a "Perfect training routine and Perfect Diet" over a period of years, Yes. Absolutely. ESPECIALLY if you're on the juicy juice, like the greats

[MaximosJ]

Ah, ok. And yes, that was directed towards everyone. In my personal experience training others, they have all said the same thing in the beginning. "I'm eating right, I'm doing this, this and that every day and I'm so consistent." Come to find out, none of that is as true as they'd like to believe.

Well, that's not true in my case. You can read my post here (though it's a long dialogue): http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...post1186745881. I've also got training logs, weight and bodyfat logs, and diet logs going back two years. If you think my low test, high estrogen, and other family-related issues don't have a significant effect, I don't know what to tell you. I've worked out till I puked, I don't skip training days, I use only reputable lifting programs that focus on progressive overload primarily in the compound lifts, I eat right and keep my macros and calories in check (I've recorded my bulks and cuts), and so on and so on, and I'm still at DYEL status in terms of aesthetics after just about 3 years.

I'm not even trying to use this as an excuse. I still train hard, and I don't give a chit about whether my genetics are an impediment. I'm going to keep pressing on regardless. It's not right to just blow people off as making excuses, though, when things like this do play a role.

EDIT: I didn't even list all the chit genetics in that dialogue, either. I have had scoliosis (fortunately reasonably minor) and back problems since I was very young, and also had a messed up gait that required me to wear leg braces as a child.

[brbacquiring]

I swear every person that I have ever trained that blamed their ****ty genetics always says they are "trying so hard". NO, YOU'RE NOT! When I finish my workouts I don't know if I'm going to survive the walk to my truck afterwards. Its easy to look like you're trying hard, maybe for a few days, or even a couple of weeks. But I gaurentee if your fat friend with "poor genetics" ate pre-prepared meals day in and day out for several months, never missed a day of training and pushed himself to the point of vomiting regularly, he wouldn't look the same. This thread is total bs.

more pain, more gain. That is definitely how it works. All popular lifting routines that involve prescribed sets and reps with a certain %RM, that total about and hour of actual lifting per week, are fundamentally flawed and will not work.



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[EastSideBoxer]

With a "Perfect training routine and Perfect Diet" over a period of years, Yes. Absolutely. ESPECIALLY if you're on the juicy juice, like the greats

are u retarded? then tell my y does no one else look like jeff seid or zyzz and don't fkin talk about juice

[GeneticTrash]

most people cannot be professional bodybuilder/fitness model but everyone can achieve substantial muscle mass while moderately lean, just like most people cannot be a professional football player, but everybody can get to a decent level where they can kick a ball or w.e

Not everyone can get to the same level, regardless of their effort

[GeneticTrash]

100% truth.

bingo

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[vsportsguy]

Genetics only play a role when you're super advanced. Everyone has a genetic peak. However, very few people ever reach that peak.

[Purplekoolaid]

do you know what epigenetics are OP?

Oh wait... this is one of those "Its hard so I will just make an excuse as to why I can't do it" threads.

nvm, carry on.

I have one of the best physiques of all my friends, yet have the worst diet (drinking around a half-gal of vodka a week, tons of fast food) and go to the gym 1-3x a week. I also won the pull-up contest at the Arnold in 2012 doing 33 pull-ups in 30 seconds, beating every roided-out freak that was there who had spot-on diets (some people in the supp section saw me do it)

Genetics plays a gigantic role no questions asked. 1 friend had strict diet, counted cals, gym 4-5x a week, made about as much gains in 3 years as I did in 3 months (dead srs)

Everyone in this thread claiming that it's dedication/diet/training are rationalizing to themselves why they did what few others can. They're also dumb as phuk

[brbacquiring]

blue pill retards who watch greg plitt videos detected

pussy who doesn't lift weights detected



greg plitt is a human being
greg plitt lifts weights

I am a human being
therefore if I lift weights I can be like greg plitt


lamo @ your lack of self belief

[GeneticTrash]

Genetics only play a role when you're super advanced. Everyone has a genetic peak. However, very few people ever reach that peak.

LMAO. or when your an intermediate lifter trying to make gains? Or when your a beginner, seeing how fast the gains come? Or any time at all? cant believe people are this stupid

not everyone gains muscle at the same rate, or has the same potential

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greg plitt is a human being
greg plitt lifts weights

I am a human being
therefore if I lift weights I can be like greg plitt


lamo @ your lack of self belief

i do lift actually

[brbacquiring]

I have one of the best physiques of all my friends, yet have the worst diet (drinking around a half-gal of vodka a week, tons of fast food) and go to the gym 1-3x a week. I also won the pull-up contest at the Arnold in 2012 doing 33 pull-ups in 30 seconds, beating every roided-out freak that was there who had spot-on diets (some people in the supp section saw me do it)

Genetics plays a gigantic role no questions asked. 1 friend had strict diet, counted cals, gym 4-5x a week, made about as much gains in 3 years as I did in 3 months (dead srs)

Everyone in this thread claiming that it's dedication/diet/training are rationalizing to themselves why they did what few others can. They're also dumb as phuk

no lol, you're a ****ing pussy mate try working hard like so hard that the next day your muscles are moderately sore.

[GeneticTrash]

I have one of the best physiques of all my friends, yet have the worst diet (drinking around a half-gal of vodka a week, tons of fast food) and go to the gym 1-3x a week. I also won the pull-up contest at the Arnold in 2012 doing 33 pull-ups in 30 seconds, beating every roided-out freak that was there who had spot-on diets (some people in the supp section saw me do it)

Genetics plays a gigantic role no questions asked. 1 friend had strict diet, counted cals, gym 4-5x a week, made about as much gains in 3 years as I did in 3 months (dead srs)

Everyone in this thread claiming that it's dedication/diet/training are rationalizing to themselves why they did what few others can. They're also dumb as phuk

I appreciate your honestly and not being delusional. Thank you.

[Purplekoolaid]

no lol, you're a ****ing pussy mate try working hard like so hard that the next day your muscles are moderately sore.

Thanks for proving my point, I can't even tell which of my statements you tried to refute with your incoherent rambling.

And where exactly did you infer that I'm not sore the next day? no where did I say I train like a girl in the gym for the first time

Or are you delusional?

[1BarelyTho]

<<<<Laughing straight to the bank @ genetics excuse

[tokelift]

Genetics is an excuse for those unwilling or unable to test

Agreed. Test and vigorous trening.













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[nvrstopworking]

Oh yeah u know him? Known him for more than 5 years he fkin knows what he's doing and dedicated

I'm just saying his genetics are the reason he can't reach his goals and no matter how hard he changes his diet or training he will never reach his goal

If he's been "training" for 5 years and still looks like a "DYEL?" then no...... he clearly does NOT know what he's doing.

[Cookezilla]

I do agree with genetics being the most determining factor.

Do also believe that you can outwork flaws.

[brbacquiring]

Thanks for proving my point, I can't even tell which of my statements you tried to refute with your incoherent rambling.

And where exactly did you infer that I'm not sore the next day? no where did I say I train like a girl in the gym for the first time

Or are you delusional?

lol people like you do you even track a macro? srs no dedication

[Reko1993]

I think anyone can create a respectable physique, but the genetic elite will have a much easier time, and will always look better than those with poverty genetics

edit
Willing to bet 95% of people saying "genetics is just an excuse" have at least average genetics

Lol at the guy with username "GeneticTrash"

[BetaGazelle]

There are people who don't respond to cardio training (no increase in oxygen intake), so it's naive to think that genetics don't matter. I couldn't find any studies on weight lifting though.

http://greatist.com/fitness/genetic-...xercise-101512

[Purplekoolaid]

lol people like you do you even track a macro? srs no dedication

No, and I still won the pull-up contest at the Arnold.

Explain how a half-gal of vodka a week and fast food helped me beat all the FA gym-people who prepare every meal, take roids, and go to gym 4-5x a week???

[GeneticTrash]

<<<<Laughing straight to the bank @ genetics excuse

not an excuse dumbass

[CoCoKnut]

op is a pussy

[DrZeusss]

Anyone who undermines genetics is a complete idiot

[KillahJon]

People who don't think genetics play a big factor are delusional. I have a decent physique (see avi), but I have so many flaws that I know for a fact are genetic. My left arm has 0 peak. If you took a picture of it and mapped it out in x-y axis, its slope would be zero. Don't tell me that I can have better peaks from training a certain way. That's a lie, and I've obviously tried it already.
My calves are small (16.5) and I have big ankles. Calves, traps and forearms are probably the 3 muscles that rely mostly on genetics. Don't even deny it. I have narrow clavicles and a wide waist too.
I've built a good body from what I was given, but there are things that can't be fixed.

[MaximosJ]

Thanks for proving my point, I can't even tell which of my statements you tried to refute with your incoherent rambling.

And where exactly did you infer that I'm not sore the next day? no where did I say I train like a girl in the gym for the first time

Or are you delusional?

he's just fukin with you bro