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    Question Is bestiality wrong?

    If so, plz explain why, thx.

    inb4 animals can't consent.

    They don't consent to being eaten or turned into leather either.

    Also, it appears not all agree they can't consent.

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    It is not an uncommon practice for dogs to attempt to copulate with ("hump") the legs of people of both genders.

    Rosenberger (1968) emphasizes that as far as cunnilingus is concerned, dogs require no training, and even Dekkers (1994) and Menninger (1951) admit that sometimes animals take the initiative and do so impulsively

    Animals such as dogs can be willing participants in sexual activity with humans, and "seem to enjoy the attention provided by the sexual interaction with a human."

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    If this was 2012, probably, but brah, It's almost 2014

    Of course its not wrong. Shoot we have legalized homo***gotry going on, who the FUARK say's I can't love my animal the way I want to.

    No hypocrite *** can tell me that I'm in the wrong for plowing the anal cavity of my beautiful female puppy.

    She doesn't struggle and she loves it, so it is consensual.
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    Originally Posted by lasher View Post
    If so, plz explain why, thx.

    inb4 animals can't consent.

    They don't consent to being eaten or turned into leather either.
    It's only wrong if you have sex with an animal that's the same sex as you and if you have sex outside of marriage and that's the important thing, it's what separates us from the animals.

    And please, sex is such a dirty word, it's called making love.
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    ^ Very insightful.

    Anyone have an actual srs answer?

    You cannot argue consent. We do brutal things to animals every day to get food and various animal products. Why can't self gratification be included? Besides, it could be argued that animals (some at least) can consent. You can get a dog to dry hump your leg.

    Originally Posted by wiki
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    Rosenberger (1968) emphasizes that as far as cunnilingus is concerned, dogs require no training, and even Dekkers (1994) and Menninger (1951) admit that sometimes animals take the initiative and do so impulsively

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    Originally Posted by lasher View Post
    ^ Very insightful.

    Anyone have an actual srs answer?

    Not too sure, what are the theological reasons?
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    Originally Posted by guyver79 View Post
    Not too sure, what are the theological reasons?
    Could you please stop trying to change the subject? I don't care about homosexuality, marriage, or theology ITT. Thanks.
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    No, some people believe that they are an animal trapped in a humans body. Who are we to judge them? We don't know the daily pain they for being a trapped animal? If, they truly are an animal trapped in a human body then they will be able to get consent from their real species.
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    Right and wrong is completely suggestive on any topic.

    Right and wrong is based on decisions made by groups, communities, tyrants, dictators etc.

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    Originally Posted by hammerfelt View Post
    Right and wrong is completely suggestive on any topic.

    Right and wrong is based on decisions made by groups, communities, tyrants, dictators etc.

    We place ourselves in control by government or are forced to abide by the rules set by government lest we suffer the consequences by doing that has been deemed wrong by those in charge if caught.
    yea yea, morality is all relative nowadays I get it.

    So here's the rephrase.

    Is there a compelling argument to give against legalizing bestiality?
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    Originally Posted by pazzadean View Post
    It would only be wrong if a hybrid was born like half horse half human

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    Originally Posted by lasher View Post
    Could you please stop trying to change the subject? I don't care about homosexuality, marriage, or theology ITT. Thanks.
    I only asked because some, what you might refer to as "theological" rules such as no sex outside marriage, no same sex relationships ect.... actually make sense if you think in terms of financial and social standing and a tribe mentality, a dowry for a daughter and political connections to other families and tribes, children are produced in a heterosexual relationship, children help strengthen the tribe, bastard children are a burden because it's another mouth to feed, monogamous relationships will help lessen the number of std's ect... you could make a logical case for all the above especially 2000+ years ago not just because "when you put a willy in another mans bum it makes baby Jesus cry"
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    Originally Posted by guyver79 View Post
    I only asked because some, what you might refer to as "theological" rules such as no sex outside marriage, no same sex relationships ect.... actually make sense if you think in terms of financial and social standing and a tribe mentality, a dowry for a daughter and political connections to other families and tribes, children are produced in a heterosexual relationship, children help strengthen the tribe, bastard children are a burden because it's another mouth to feed, monogamous relationships will help lessen the number of std's ect... you could make a logical case for all the above especially 2000+ years ago not just because "when you put a willy in another mans bum it makes baby Jesus cry"



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    Originally Posted by guyver79 View Post
    I only asked because some, what you might refer to as "theological" rules such as no sex outside marriage, no same sex relationships ect.... actually make sense if you think in terms of financial and social standing and a tribe mentality, a dowry for a daughter and political connections to other families and tribes, children are produced in a heterosexual relationship, children help strengthen the tribe, bastard children are a burden because it's another mouth to feed, monogamous relationships will help lessen the number of std's ect... you could make a logical case for all the above especially 2000+ years ago not just because "when you put a willy in another mans bum it makes baby Jesus cry"
    I don't care about any of that. I want to hear good secular reasons for why bestiality should remain illegal. Stop being so obsessively myopic. If you have nothing to offer on the topic other than to keep bringing up homosexuality, theology, or baby jesus, then stop wasting our time.
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    Just trying to open up my options brah. Don't be a bigot.
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    It's not necessarily 'wrong'...but it's not something I'm interested in, nor should really be considered 'normal'
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    Originally Posted by flairon View Post
    It's not necessarily 'wrong'...but it's not something I'm interested in, nor should really be considered 'normal'
    Should it remain illegal? If so, why?
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    Pets don't consent to be pets. We pick them up from the pound and assume they are happy.

    Should castration/spading be illegal?
    We are, after all, removing an animal's ability to reproduce without it's consent.
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    I think people could argue that when you kill animals to eat them, they die instantly, so they don't really suffer that much. But if you open the door to legalize fking animals, then some people could abuse it and be cruel to animal by going in dry and it's cruel...etc..
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    Originally Posted by Alchem View Post
    I think people could argue that when you kill animals to eat them, they die instantly, so they don't really suffer that much. But if you open the door to legalize fking animals, then some people could abuse it and be cruel to animal by going in dry and it's cruel...etc..
    It's possible to have sex with animals without causing damage. We could simply regulate the activity, just like we do with regular sex. It would of course be illegal to abuse the animal.

    Like Wiki of peace says

    Originally Posted by Wiki of Peace
    Rosenberger (1968) emphasizes that as far as cunnilingus is concerned, dogs require no training, and even Dekkers (1994) and Menninger (1951) admit that sometimes animals take the initiative and do so impulsively


    Animals such as dogs can be willing participants in sexual activity with humans, and "seem to enjoy the attention provided by the sexual interaction with a human."
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    Originally Posted by lasher View Post
    It's possible to have sex with animals without causing damage. We could simply regulate the activity, just like we do with regular sex. It would of course be illegal to abuse the animal.

    Like Wiki of peace says
    How can it be regulated tho? like if you hurt women while having sex with her, she can speak out and tell you to stop, and if you didn't stop, she would leave you or report u..etc.. how can the same be said for animals? they could be in pain. but can't express it.. I'm not denying that some animals enjoy sex with humans, I'm just saying that if you open the door then it can be abused.
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    Originally Posted by Alchem View Post
    I think people could argue that when you kill animals to eat them, they die instantly, so they don't really suffer that much. But if you open the door to legalize fking animals, then some people could abuse it and be cruel to animal by going in dry and it's cruel...etc..
    An animal abuser does not follow the law, so the law should not be influenced by their actions. It would be like banning knives because one kid stabbed another. Don't take knives away from the millions that don't stab each other because of that one kid.


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    How can it be regulated tho? like if you hurt women while having sex with her, she can speak out and tell you to stop, and if you didn't stop, she would leave you or report u..etc.. how can the same be said for animals? they could be in pain. but can't express it.. I'm not denying that some animals enjoy sex with humans, I'm just saying that if you open the door then it can be abused.
    Animals make noise and flinch when in pain. It isn't too difficult to tell.
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    Originally Posted by Alchem View Post
    How can it be regulated tho? like if you hurt women while having sex with her, she can speak out and tell you to stop, and if you didn't stop, she would leave you or report u..etc.. how can the same be said for animals? they could be in pain. but can't express it.. I'm not denying that some animals enjoy sex with humans, I'm just saying that if you open the door then it can be abused.
    Animals can't report their own physical abuse, and we still manage to make abusing them illegal. We can't just assume people will abuse their animals. We open the door to them being abused by keeping them as pets. It's no different.

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    Utilitarian philosopher and animal liberation author Peter Singer argues that zoophilia is not unethical so long as it involves no harm or cruelty to the animal[117] (see Harm principle). In the article "Heavy Petting,"[118] Singer argues that zoosexual activity need not be abusive, and that relationships could form which were mutually enjoyed. Singer and others have argued that people's dislike of bestiality is partly caused by irrational speciesism and anthropocentrism.[119][120] Because interspecies sex occurs in nature,[121] and because humans are animals,[122] supporters argue that zoosexual activity is not "unnatural" and is not intrinsically wrong.[81][123]

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    "In other recent surveys, the majority of zoophiles scoffed at the notion that they were abusive toward animals in any way—far from it, they said. Many even consider themselves to be animal welfare advocates in addition to zoophiles."[124]


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    Jacob M. Appel has also advocated for the decriminalization of bestiality, arguing that lack of consent is not a meaningful concept when discussing human-animal sex. He has written that society does "not describe owning a pet dog as kidnapping, even when the canine is restricted to the inside of a home, although confining a human being in the same manner would clearly be unethical." He also states that animals do not "consent" to have sex with each other. According to Appel, such relations "may well be neutral or even pleasurable for the animals concerned", and are primarily prohibited because of social taboos and knee-jerk reactions.[125] He argues that there are no defensible philosophical reasons for the creation of anti-zoosexual laws which prohibit non-cruel bestiality, and that such laws are unjust, irrational and discriminatory.[125] He also believes that current negative attitudes towards zoophilia may be a result of cultural relativism, since other cultures in the past have accepted it.[53][54] In 2011, American attorney Carl Person listed bestiality as one of several "victimless crimes" he felt should not be regulated. He later stated that he does not not practice or advocate bestiality and "threw (it in) for the sake of controversy."[126]

    Research has proven that non-human animals can and do have sex for non-reproductive purposes (and for pleasure).[127] In 2006, a Danish Animal Ethics Council report concluded that ethically performed zoosexual activity is capable of providing a positive experience for all participants, and that some non-human animals are sexually attracted to humans[128] (for example, dolphins).[129][124]
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    Originally Posted by lasher View Post
    We could simply regulate the activity, just like we do with regular sex.
    Human sex is regulated? interdasting
    The animal cannot report abuse to the authorities so laws should exist to protect them
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    Originally Posted by Rem0 View Post
    Human sex is regulated? interdasting
    The animal cannot report abuse to the authorities so laws should exist to protect them
    Humans can report abuse to authorities so laws should not exist to protect them.
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    Should it remain illegal? If so, why?
    I honestly can't think of a reason biologically why not.

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