Lifting for 2 years...claims natural (pics)

[Wakaaa]

Have any of you heard about mogainzzz? I think that's his ig name. He's African, I believe. Seen a single Latina mom on my ig liking his pics (I feel like a creep when I look at friends activity on ig). Well anyways, he posted a picture of him self doing a flexing pose like Jeff seid/said whatever the heck his name is and said" I treat my idols as rivals, bla bla bla instead of wishing I was him, I busted my butt off to become bigger than him." The picture had 2 years training for him and Jeff said I think 6 - 8 years.

The guy is like 220 lbs now and he started at 100 lbs. never seen someone so talk and skinny, his body looked deformed before. So 120 lbs lean in 2 years, then claims that he treated his idol as rival and was motivated?

Almost forgot to mention, he has 62k followers on ig. He is giving motivation to plenty of woman though. They are too smart to know he's not on something...

[Krypkt]

lol i know a 15 yrs old that is 5'2" and bigger and leaner than that
pretty sure he's natty too, midgets have it easy

[Acal83]

Not natty - looks good though. I don't see why everyone freaks out if someone is on juice - still have to put the work in.

I dont care either way but... he obviously trains hard, that isnt the question. "Work" doesnt just apply to training. He supposedly doesnt bulk, trains one body part a day six days a week and does cardio only once. Obviously unless he is a lucky SOB, something has taken the guesswork out of him achieving a nice physique.

[Uptown83]

So he gained 120lbs in 2 years?!

[Former300lber]

Judging by the size of his head compared to his body, I would say this is a bit of height fraud, low BF, and strong lighting.

Natural? Definitely obtainable in my opinion, he's got a nice physique, but it's nothing amazing.

Just my 0.2

[JamesA1990]

aware me on how people are so sure hes not natty?

really doesnt look that impressive to me :S

[jro9999]

Strong jelly. Why the fuk it matters to you if someone juices? does it affect your life? These natties on a high horse are worse then fake natties who brag about being natty honestly.



He obviously knows what he's doing and has achieved good results. Highly unlikely he's natty. And when someone says "2 years proper" it usually means "i trained 3-4 years but i had bad nutrition so i just ignore the first 1-2 years".



no. Everyone f*cking cares if you are juicing. except the 1% of the population who does natty bodybuilding. which is an incredibly insignificant group. Saying you admit to using steroids to everyone who asks would be incredibly stupid.

Since no one gives 1 f*ck about how hard you worked if you are on something. No one knows the hard work of natty bodybuilding. And if you are juicing then it's seen as no effort required completely. People are so ignorant about bodybuilding in general though. Even on these forums. No natty = no care. Unless you have a godly physique.

What are you going on about?

"no one knows the hard work of natty bodybuilding" - are you mental? there are hundreds of millions of people who exercise and lift weights who don't use steroids

"everyone fukkin cares if you are juicing" - again, not sure if serious. There are dudes who frequent my gym who are clearly on dat dere. Nobody gives a fukk. Nobody comes up to them and yells at them. Nobody criticisizes them. Nobody gives a ****. They come in, lift, and head home without anyone giving a fukk whether or not they juice.

Like I already stated, it's only when these dudes who juice create the deception that they don't juice in order to sell you a product, diet plan, or lie about what gave them that physique. It's the nature of the industry, but urine idiot for getting so worked up over it and acting like that's not how it is.

[tranceNhouse]

LOL @ *******s who think this isn't obtainable in two years without gear at his height. Just lol at your excuses.

I can't even begin to imagine how shredded I'd be at 5'10.

[p0werlifter]

that's absolutely possible natty

[Judgment]

this is definitely attainable naturally. srs

This 100%

[iballin08]

ITT 'this is attainable natty. First of all lol.

He isn't natty. His deltoids, and traps alone ooze exogenous AAS. His muscle bellies, upper chest, cannon ball deltoids etc development are all linear signs of AAS.

Cocktail of drugs he's on.

[Mutumbo000]

its achievable you lazy tards...onlt problem is he is retarded and that leeds us to believe he is fruading. i know half a dozen kids who are that big and couldnt tell you the difference between creatine and a pre workout. its called genetics and retard strength/determination.

also it says "proper training" for 2 years... for all we know hes been at it since age 12 and he didnt count 4 years of lifting cause he only did arms and chest. too many variables.

Yeah true but look at this guys face. Bloated as fuk, which is the side effect of juicing.

[aKKuRaCy]

lol @ anyone who thinks this is achievable in 2 years

[J1n]

He said he takes creatine...

[spamy]

Looks exactly like me, except his chest is better developed and iam lifting for 2 years now with 3-5 months break from juni-october.
Looking good and natty as well, he did a good job!

[TheBurtStare]

LOL @ *******s who think this isn't obtainable in two years without gear at his height. Just lol at your excuses.

I can't even begin to imagine how shredded I'd be at 5'10.

Strong irony.


I don't think he's not natty for only two years of lifting, but who cares, he's either genetically gifted or not natty, I never understand why people care so much?

Also why are people saying his bloated face gives away he's on tech? Srs question
People like Jeff Seid, Greg Plitt and Steve Cook all have chiseled faces, is it because some are using watermelon flavour whilst others have strawberry cell tech?

[iballin08]

This is what your typical natural looks like.

Flat chest, 2D, and mild trap development.
Minimal delt development, again flat

VS

Guy in OP

Very full muscles, bulging
3D cannon ball deltoids that pop, Mushroom capped
Full upper, and lower chest
Traps, and deltoids blow up

[Roke]

It's post workout pump.

[TheMinimalist]

Not natty - looks good though. I don't see why everyone freaks out if someone is on juice - still have to put the work in.

this is the most dumbest, yet most posted sentence on this bodybuilding forum (in threads like these). you really don't see why someone would freak out? how about this: a natty trainer must be meticulous with his diet, have a solid routine, do compounds, full body exercises...and diet diet diet!! everything must be dialed in, to maximize muscular growth or weight loss (depending on the goals of said lifter)

someone taking 'creatine' (or cell tech, whatever its' called these days)...that person has more margin for error, and can get faster gains in muscle, and ripped faster...obviously they have to put in the work though ( BUT SO DOES THE NATTY!!! ---> ...so that's not a valid argument anymore)

the reason why its messed up to lie about not being on 'creatine', is because other natty's will get misguided in proper ways to lift, and they'll sometimes have a false sense of what's possible/not possible with certain methods of training/dieting. why take us for the ride down your bs, self ego, delusional mind?

finally, i do understand that some lifters/sponsored athletes have a reason to claim natty. no hate against that..that's just the way it works. just LOL at people who get mad for them denying what is obviously true.

[MirinTheIron]

This is what your typical natural looks like.

Flat chest, 2D, and mild trap development.
Minimal delt development, again flat

VS

Guy in OP

Very full muscles, bulging
3D cannon ball deltoids that pop, Mushroom capped
Full upper, and lower chest
Traps, and deltoids blow up

Not saying he's natty or not natty but,

You are forgetting a few things. Lighting, camera angles, how close he is to the camera, pump.

First two pics : obvious pump and great lighting
Last pic - looks normal with no pump / no shadow lighting

[LiftToLive19]

Nice physique.
Depending on his height, might be achievable. It's not too big, nor is it too shredded.
2 years is steep though.

This.

If he is any taller than 5'8", he is not natty if that is after 2 years.

[TheMinimalist]

Also why are people saying his bloated face gives away he's on tech? Srs question
People like Jeff Seid, Greg Plitt and Steve Cook all have chiseled faces, is it because some are using watermelon flavour whilst others have strawberry cell tech?

i'm also very interested to know this. as for the guys you mentioned, when dehydrated, anybody can get a somewhat sunken looking face (within certain limits though...depends on starting bf%)

definitely interested in the bloated face thing though. is that true about those on creatine?

[TheMinimalist]

i've changed my mind from the beginning of this thread. this guy is as natty as natty graham.

that 3d poppage.

[SnackzTheGreat]

must be some strong genetics, on point nutrition, etc. definitely possible

[AllApologies]

Lol great lighting and not that big.


But in view of his pathetic knowledge on nutrition and training, I doubt he achieved that naturally.


Now if he had his nutrition and training spot on, with great genetics, maybe.

And that's the key to this problem.

[TheMinimalist]

Yeah true but look at this guys face. Bloated as fuk, which is the side effect of juicing.

just did a quick google search on this phenomena.

he's definitely on the juice. not even a question. with a bf% that low...his face should not be bloated like that.

[iballin08]

i'm also very interested to know this. as for the guys you mentioned, when dehydrated, anybody can get a somewhat sunken looking face (within certain limits though...depends on starting bf%)

definitely interested in the bloated face thing though. is that true about those on creatine?

Certain compounds can leave you prone to more water storage then ithers through aromatization. Again this is all avoidable through amortize inhibiting drugs like Arimidex.

Bloated face isn't a tell sign, he could just naturally have thick skin, and have a **** tier facial structure.


Guys like Plitt are constantly on mild doses of fat burning drugs like T3, clen at any given time. Keep in mind they need to be photo ready all year round, and are constantly ON, never off. Always blast, and cruising off lean promoting compounds like tren, and EQ.

[Fuggz]

I think that's attainable natty

not saying he's natty but it's not impossible

Attainable natty - but he's not.

His shoulders are a dead giveaway. You just don't get big round/full shoulders like that without gear - not to mention how full/thick his chest is.

[Fuggz]

This is what your typical natural looks like.

Flat chest, 2D, and mild trap development.
Minimal delt development, again flat

VS

Guy in OP

Very full muscles, bulging
3D cannon ball deltoids that pop, Mushroom capped
Full upper, and lower chest
Traps, and deltoids blow up

Yeah - you look great. But this is what natural looks like - exactly. You don't get those round full muscle bellies without AAS. His chest is too thick, that will never happen to a lean natural guy. His traps and delts are 'full' - like they have superior development. This is the first thing to happen with gear.

[HappyFunKid]

Looks exactly like me, except his chest is better developed and iam lifting for 2 years now with 3-5 months break from juni-october.
Looking good and natty as well, he did a good job!

he has alot more mass and fullness than you.

you look like you just do push ups regularly.
he probably look like he lifts in a shirt but doubt you do.

your arms are like 13inch?