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    Texas rich kid who killed 4 in drunken car crash spared jail

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.1544508


    A spoiled Texas teen who killed four in a drunken driving accident dodged prison and was sentenced to probation instead after defense lawyers argued his wealthy parents never taught him right from wrong.
    Ethan Couch, 16, was facing 20 years behind bars for the horrific June wreck, but instead walked out of a Fort Worth courtroom Tuesday with 10 years' probation.
    The rich brat's legal team said he needed counseling, not hard time, and proposed sending him to a posh Southern California treatment facility that would cost his family $500,000 a year.


    For now, he was set to remain at a juvenile detention center until authorities determined his fate.

    State District Judge Jean Boyd's decision to let the teen walk had the victims' families outraged.


    "Money always seems to keep [Couch] out of trouble," Eric Boyles, who lost his wife and daughter in the wreck, told the Star-Telegram newspaper.
    "Ultimately today, I felt that money did prevail. If [he] had been any other youth, I feel like the circumstances would have been different."
    The fatal crash occurred on June 15 when Couch, loaded on booze and Valium, lost control of his speeding Ford F-350 pick-up and smashed into a broken-down car beside a road outside Burleson.


    Breanna Mitchell, 24, the stranded car's driver, was killed instantly, along with three Good Samaritans who were helping her: mother and daughter Hollie Boyles, 52, and Shelby Boyles, 21; and youth pastor Brian Jennings, 41.
    Seven teens were riding in Couch's car at the time. Two, who were sitting in the truck bed, were critically injured.


    One of them, Sergio Molina, remains paralyzed and brain damaged after several months in a coma, and can only communicate by blinking his eye, the Star-Telegram reported.
    Authorities said Couch was going 70 mph on the rural 40 mph stretch, and a breath test showed his blood-alcohol-content was .24 — triple the legal driving limit for someone over 21.


    During the trial, prosecutors said Couch and his pals had been partying with beer they stole from Walmart, and were on another booze run when the crash occurred.
    In all, 11 people were injured. Local authorities said the crash scene was the most horrific they've encountered.
    A witness for the defense, psychologist Dr. G. Dick Miller, blamed the boy's parents.


    Miller testified that Couch was the troubled product of a broken home who got whatever he wanted from his wealthy parents and didn't understand consequences.


    Miller called the teen a victim of "affluenza," a rich-kid syndrome that led him to believe money solved everything.

    Couch was never disciplined, abused alcohol and had "freedoms no young person should have," including being allowed to drive when he was 13, Miller said.
    "The teen never learned to say that you're sorry if you hurt someone," Miller said, according to the Star-Telegram. "If you hurt someone, you sent him money."
    The families of his victims said money wouldn't buy their loved ones back.
    Breanna Mitchell's mother, Marla Mitchel, wore some of her cremated daughter's ashes in a locket around her neck during the trial, according to local reports.
    She told the Star-Telegram, "[Couch] is not free. None of us knows what God's plan is. He has not escaped judgment. That is in the hands of a higher power."

    Since the teen suffers from "affluenza" then hopefully the civil case takes every dime from his parents.

    Seems like the best "treatment" for him, no?

    Don't get me wrong, I'm all for free-markets, capitalism, and personal responsibility, but since this kid's defense was basically "my parents were rich and because of that didn't raise me right" shouldn't the plantiffs' in a civil case deserve the entirety of the defendants' assets if (when) they win?
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    FYI, this is called shock probation and I've seen multiple people in Texas get that sentence for DUI wrecks with permanent bodily injury and death to victims.

    It depends on the circumstances leading up to it.

    Here's one:

    http://www.kxan.com/news/local/austi...in-hit-and-run

    Another:
    http://www.opposingviews.com/i/socie...ling-jarrett-1

    One more just for fun:
    http://www.tdcaa.com/node/1986

    The probation is extremely strict, and they usually have to attend drug court every week. I prefer rehabilitation versus punishment if the person can be/continue to be a productive member of society.
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    You think his sentence would be different in an anarchist society?
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    jimmy rustle justice system

    he should hang(serious, not a metaphorical hanging but literally wrap a noose around his neck)
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    Originally Posted by metroins View Post
    FYI, this is called shock probation and I've seen multiple people in Texas get that sentence for DUI wrecks with permanent bodily injury and death to victims.

    It depends on the circumstances leading up to it.

    Here's one:

    http://www.kxan.com/news/local/austi...in-hit-and-run

    Another:
    http://www.opposingviews.com/i/socie...ling-jarrett-1

    One more just for fun:
    http://www.tdcaa.com/node/1986

    The probation is extremely strict, and they usually have to attend drug court every week. I prefer rehabilitation versus punishment if the person can be/continue to be a productive member of society.
    you kidding me, bro?

    i advocate rehabilitation when possible but someone who unjistifiably takes FOUR LIVES has earned a death sentence
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    this is mindblowing

    the Onion had an article like that a couple of years ago...

    http://www.theonion.com/articles/wea...sequence,2551/


    Wealthy Teen Nearly Experiences Consequence
    NEWS • High School • ISSUE 44•39 • Sep 27, 2008
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    SOMERSET, NJ—In what local authorities are calling a "near tragedy," Charles Wentworth, a 17-year-old Rutgers Preparatory senior and member of the affluent Wentworth family, came perilously close to suffering a consequence resulting from his own wrongdoing Saturday.


    Wentworth made his senior photo shoot even after coming within inches of an actual repercussion from the accident.

    Wentworth, reportedly ignoring the protests of his classmates, got behind the wheel of his turbocharged Supra 2000GT after consuming half the contents of a bottle of Goldschläger at a friend's party. While driving westbound on Route 27, a disoriented Wentworth drifted across two lanes of traffic and collided with a minivan carrying a family of four, bringing the teen face-to-face with a potentially life-altering lesson.

    Wentworth escaped unscathed and unpunished, however, when his airbags deployed and a team of high-powered attorneys rushed to the scene and rescued him from the brink of personal responsibility.

    "Amazingly, Mr. Wentworth did not experience a single repercussion for consuming alcohol under age or operating a motor vehicle while intoxicated, and is furthermore completely unaware that he did anything wrong," local police chief Marvin Taylor said. "He is a very lucky boy."

    "If he had been driving just 5 mph faster, or if his parents hadn't had the influence to keep the matter out of court and the endless financial resources to lease a car of the exact same make and model to prevent him from having to face even the relatively trivial humiliation of being taunted by his peers for driving a slightly less expensive vehicle—my God, who knows what could have happened?" Taylor added. "He could have died or, worse, been held accountable for his actions."


    The accident

    According to police reports that have since been shredded and stricken from Wentworth's permanent record, when briefly taken into custody, the privileged teenager began swearing, vomiting, and kicking at the windows of the squad car in which he was momentarily placed following the collision. Wentworth later said the only thing that got him through that dark time was thinking of his rich, well-connected loved ones. With them in mind, he repeatedly shouted, "Don't you know who I am?" and summoned the strength to refuse a field sobriety test.

    "A lot of kids in Charles' situation would have confessed and accepted punishment for their mistake, but my son is strong," said Wentworth's father, aluminum magnate Herman Wentworth, who after arriving at the crash site told his son that "everything is taken care of," and while Charles sat in his father's BMW texting his friends, loudly threatened to call the police commissioner if any charges were pressed. "Charles would never allow himself to give up and gain valuable insight into the way things work in the real world without a fight."

    District Judge and close friend of the Wentworth family Donald Lamb agreed.

    "Charles is very lucky to be alive and well-off," Lamb told reporters. "The fact that he was able to walk away from this crash with no injuries, zero remorse, and his skewed priorities in one piece is a miracle."

    Despite returning to the safety of his $2.3 million home, Wentworth's harrowing brush with consequence was not over.

    A week after the near ordeal, Wentworth was again put in jeopardy of learning a lesson when he was nearly sentenced to 50 hours of community service. Tragedy was averted, however, when his mother paid a consultant to testify before the judge that Wentworth had suffered emotional trauma. Further, during this time, Wentworth was forced to put his video game on pause for several seconds in order to sign affidavits stating that the Breathalyzer was administered improperly.

    "To think that I was that close to seeing that there is an entire society with its own laws and standards outside my protected sphere of wealth and privilege—it's frightening," Wentworth said. "It almost makes you consider your actions and their impact on others. Almost."

    "I'm just grateful I can finally get back to my life as a self-centered prick who believes the entire world revolves around him," Wentworth added. "After all, I was just admitted to Columbia despite almost failing out of high school because I rarely attended class, and it would have been a shame to have had to defer for a semester just because of some legal...unpleasantry."

    At press time, Wentworth is resting comfortably on a six-figure inheritance in a chaise lounge by his backyard pool. The other four victims of the crash remain in intensive care at St. Peter's University Hospital, suffering from conditions ranging from poor to lower-class.

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    Originally Posted by zakatak333 View Post
    you kidding me, bro?

    i advocate rehabilitation when possible but someone who unjistifiably takes FOUR LIVES has earned a death sentence
    I disagree and feel jail should be for those offenders who need to be kept away from other people due to safety concerns. Removing driving privileges, requiring counseling/drug tests and renumeration will hopefully rehabilitate the people. Jail time doesn't fix any problems for these type of incidents and wouldn't make anybody safer, but would cost tax payers thousands of dollars; I also feel the state should not have the power to end lives.

    We have a differing view on how the criminal punishment system should work, that's all. The people didn't go out and intentionally try to harm people, they were negligent, but not intentional.
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    "The rich brat's legal team said he needed counseling, not hard time, and proposed sending him to a posh Southern California treatment facility that would cost his family $500,000 a year."
    What kind of counseling costs 500k a year?
    Am I the ONLY one that read that part?
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    Originally Posted by metroins View Post
    I disagree and feel jail should be for those offenders who need to be kept away from other people due to safety concerns. Removing driving privileges, requiring counseling/drug tests and renumeration will hopefully rehabilitate the people. Jail time doesn't fix any problems for these type of incidents and wouldn't make anybody safer, but would cost tax payers thousands of dollars; I also feel the state should not have the power to end lives.

    We have a differing view on how the criminal punishment system should work, that's all. The people didn't go out and intentionally try to harm people, they were negligent, but not intentional.
    I actually agree, I dont think this kid should get 20 years in prison or the death penalty. Aslo stong article, calling him 'spoiled' and a 'rich bastard' just in the first paragraph. Also 10 years of probation is a long time, and if it is as strict as metroins is saying, only one of two things can happen. One, he takes it seriously and goes from being a stupid 16 year old, to a responsible adult who still has to live his whole life knowing a very stupid decision in high school took four peoples lives. Or two, he doesnt get serious and violates probation causing him to go to jail.


    Also was anything mentioned about any of the other drunk teens in the truck? Should any of them also be punished even though technically they werent the one behind the wheel?
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    Originally Posted by tential View Post
    "The rich brat's legal team said he needed counseling, not hard time, and proposed sending him to a posh Southern California treatment facility that would cost his family $500,000 a year."
    What kind of counseling costs 500k a year?
    Am I the ONLY one that read that part?
    Why don't they donate that money to the family's of the people their son killed instead?
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    I'm sorry everything I'm reading in here seems too impossible to be true.
    Did I just stumble into the troll section of the misc where you guys post troll articles on unawares?
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    Originally Posted by cannadian View Post
    Why don't they donate that money to the family's of the people their son killed instead?
    500k a year is quite a nice stimulus in the economy. That can employ like 2-3 psychiatrists in that treatment facility.
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    Originally Posted by metroins View Post
    I disagree and feel jail should be for those offenders who need to be kept away from other people due to safety concerns. Removing driving privileges, requiring counseling/drug tests and renumeration will hopefully rehabilitate the people. Jail time doesn't fix any problems for these type of incidents and wouldn't make anybody safer, but would cost tax payers thousands of dollars; I also feel the state should not have the power to end lives.

    We have a differing view on how the criminal punishment system should work, that's all. The people didn't go out and intentionally try to harm people, they were negligent, but not intentional.
    there are two things to consider when appraising the severity of a crime

    1) outcome...how much and what kind of damage was done

    2) intention...how much and what kind of damage was intended to be done

    both things need to be considered, not just intention
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    Originally Posted by zakatak333 View Post
    there are two things to consider when appraising the severity of a crime

    1) outcome...how much and what kind of damage was done

    2) intention...how much and what kind of damage was intended to be done

    both things need to be considered, not just intention
    The outcome is extremely important, I feel intent has more to do with jail/prison and outcome has more to do with severity of punishment.

    IE: Burglarize home and kill somebody = 10+ years, intent and outcome

    Shooting guns while drunk on farm and shoot in air, bullet comes down killing somebody. 10 years probation and award compensation.

    It's case by case, if the defendant is a scum bag with no future and recidivism is likely, then jail. If the person can be rehabilitated then so be it and have their next ten years devoted to the victim/cause etc

    Nothing will bring back the dead, having an otherwise productive individual sit in jail and cost tax payers money is inefficient unless there is a future threat.
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    Originally Posted by metroins View Post

    We have a differing view on how the criminal punishment system should work, that's all. The people didn't go out and intentionally try to harm people, they were negligent, but not intentional.
    Drunk driving and killing people is intentional. He was old enough to know the consequences of his actions and he should spend at least 15-20 inside for murder. He's scum
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    Can someone post an actual "news" article and not a poorly written opinion piece?

    Seriously, you expect me to read and value a source that uses the term "spoiled brat" and "rich brat"?
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    Originally Posted by metroins View Post
    The outcome is extremely important, I feel intent has more to do with jail/prison and outcome has more to do with severity of punishment.
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    Originally Posted by metroins View Post
    IE: Burglarize home and kill somebody = 10+ years, intent and outcome

    Shooting guns while drunk on farm and shoot in air, bullet comes down killing somebody. 10 years probation and award compensation.

    It's case by case, if the defendant is a scum bag with no future and recidivism is likely, then jail. If the person can be rehabilitated then so be it and have their next ten years devoted to the victim/cause etc

    Nothing will bring back the dead, having an otherwise productive individual sit in jail and cost tax payers money is inefficient unless there is a future threat.
    a justice system that focuses solely on a criminal's potential for recidivism vs. rehabilitation is a system that fails to deliver justice

    i'll be damed if some mass murdering psychopath gets some intensive probation B.S. because he happens to have two PhD's and says he won't do it again SMH

    also, there IS a need to examine each case independently, but there is also a reasonable limit to the contrast of action that should be taken by the justice system for two similar crimes where the details are different

    Originally Posted by 3stripes View Post
    Drunk driving and killing people is intentional. He was old enough to know the consequences of his actions and he should spend at least 15-20 inside for murder. He's scum
    i suppose a drunk person COULD use a vehicle as a murder weapon, but more often than not its a situation of the driver being too intoxicated to properly handle the vehicle

    should he spend 15-20 years in prison? no, IMO he should hang but if its gonna be prison then its gotta be life without parole

    also, i wouldn't say he's a scum bag...he's a guy who got drunk and inadvertently ended four lives without just cause...if it was intentional killing then i'd say he's a scum bag... but accidental doesn't mean scum bag it just means an unfortunate situation for everybody...and the people who lost their lives deserve retribution(whether the person responsible wanted to end their lives or not)

    Originally Posted by ScubaStevo View Post
    Can someone post an actual "news" article and not a poorly written opinion piece?

    Seriously, you expect me to read and value a source that uses the term "spoiled brat" and "rich brat"?
    opinion articles have the tendency to rustle my jimmies too

    so i try to ignore the author's bias and discuss political theory as it pertains to the facts and hypotheticals
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    Originally Posted by ScubaStevo View Post
    Can someone post an actual "news" article and not a poorly written opinion piece?

    Seriously, you expect me to read and value a source that uses the term "spoiled brat" and "rich brat"?
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    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/1...n_4426722.html


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    Should be tarred and feathered. Srs.

    Have lost to many friends and family to ****tards drinking and driving.


    Maybe a little harsh. At least should be mailed pictures of the poeple he killed for the rest of his life so he lives in misery til he dies.
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    I agree, if he killed some kids in the next town, then yes, get him some therapy...oh wait, you mean if he killed my kids, then fry his ass!!
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    Was facing only 20 years..... Wow. Life just isn't worth anything I guess. Killing people by drunk driving is murder plain and simple this phaggot needs to be shot in front of his dumbass parents. 4 dead and 1 kid brain dead and we have people in here saying he shouldn't be given death sentence
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    I disagree and feel jail should be for those offenders who need to be kept away from other people due to safety concerns. Removing driving privileges, requiring counseling/drug tests and renumeration will hopefully rehabilitate the people. Jail time doesn't fix any problems for these type of incidents and wouldn't make anybody safer, but would cost tax payers thousands of dollars; I also feel the state should not have the power to end lives.

    We have a differing view on how the criminal punishment system should work, that's all. The people didn't go out and intentionally try to harm people, they were negligent, but not intentional.
    So.. i'll shoot your daughter in the face but am in no need of care, it was just a one time thing, don't have a drug problem either... according to you i should just walk?

    The truth is that society demands justice for the lives that this kid took and rightfully so, the law isn't only about making sure the criminals don't hurt too much through their way of the justice system, it's also about making sure that everyone understands that if you do this, you're going to have to pay the price.

    Your view of how the criminal punish system should work is unmatched in the history of all nations on earth, there is not ONE other nation where this person would walk out of court a free man. In fact, almost all nations have a mandatory prison sentence for a DUI except the US and the reason is obvious when you look at what happened.
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    lol. It's funny to think about people complaining about the poor and food stamps.

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    Originally Posted by tential View Post
    "The rich brat's legal team said he needed counseling, not hard time, and proposed sending him to a posh Southern California treatment facility that would cost his family $500,000 a year."
    What kind of counseling costs 500k a year?
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    I'm rustled. Only in America could somebody who kills 4 innocent people driving drunk not see one day of prison time, yet somebody who smokes a plant alone in the confines of their own home goes to jail for multiple years.
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    The kid should be in prison instead of going to a resort style rehab center in Cali that cost 500K. Just goes to show you that when selecting a lawyer, you get what you pay for.
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    I'm rustled. Only in America could somebody who kills 4 innocent people driving drunk not see one day of prison time, yet somebody who smokes a plant alone in the confines of their own home goes to jail for multiple years.
    Indeed, i am aware of no other nation where the DUI alone isn't mandatory prison time. That's not counting the involuntary manslaughter that he was convicted of.

    But hey, if i shoot someone in the face i can say "i didn't know any better because my parents threw me out on the street when i was 13" and that will make everything ok.
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    The judge should serve 10 years with him for this.

    I say 10 years because it's an apt punishment, enough to get the kid straight (lol) and the judge homeless which he deserves to be, and everyone who considers driving drunk can take a look and see that it's not worth it.
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    Originally Posted by ImproperOne View Post
    Indeed, i am aware of no other nation where the DUI alone isn't mandatory prison time.
    There's a few.

    Couple weeks ago there was a video from South Korea where a drunk woman hit a guy on a bicycle and got chased down by a taxi driver and guy in a Porsche.

    Found a follow up story and it said she plead guilty but only had to pay the victim.

    One of the comments said that was pretty common in Korea.

    I'm pretty sure in some Middle Eastern countries you can even avoid jail for murder if the family is willing to accept payment for the death.
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