Frank Mcgrath owning Vaillant in this pic!

[Chevyrado06]

^ Frank finished 4th at the Toronto Pro this year.

Looks pretty good in that back video too. Looks like he's improving and is pretty content.

[MrSilverback]

^ Frank finished 4th at the Toronto Pro this year.

Looks pretty good in that back video too. Looks like he's improving and is pretty content.

Yeah and who placed in front of him? lol

Vic (who was at like 25% at the time)
Faoud who had his second highest finish in his pro-career
DeLarosa who's been a pro like 1/10th as long as McGrath

Like I said thogh, I'll give him a pass because of the car accident. That's rough for anyone to go through.

[Chevyrado06]

Whatever man. Your opinion is just that; Yours. I wish I could be as unsuccessful as Frank. How awful would that be.

These forums suck.

[MrSilverback]

Whatever man. Your opinion is just that; Yours. I wish I could be as unsuccessful as Frank. How awful would that be.

These forums suck.

As what? A bodybuilder or a spokesperson? lol

[Vibrio]

Both cool cats

[spamy]

No offense but the fact you posted that means you shouldn't be involved in this conversation.

But I'll Cliff it for you:

- Frank and AV party way too much
- They're nothing but poster boys for Universal
- AV has dated trannies
- I asked a universal rep on this very forum "Is Universal requiring AV to do his "road show" and the answer was "No we do not ask our athletes to do things like that or make them compete"
- Which poses the question why would AV travel around the USA right before a pro-show; posting pics of him partying

With this mentality they'll never be the top company. Every major business in every sport wants to get the biggest names under their contracts, because this shows your financial and marketing power, but here is a company signing guy who only appeal to the kids that want big arms.
No wonder Phil has a solid contract and a good amount of money under his name, thanks to his partnership with Muscletech.

[MrSilverback]

With this mentality they'll never be a top company. Every major business in every sport wants to get the biggest names under their contracts, because this shows your financial and marketing power, but here is a company signing guy who only appeal to the kids that want big arms.
No wonder Phil has a solid contract and a good amount of money under his name, thanks to his partnership with Muscletech.

Not entirely sure if this was sarcasm or not...if it wasn't my apologies.

I honestly do not know of one serious competitor that purchases Universal products.

They must have some marketing appeal because they've stayed afloat as a company.

I think the real topic of debate here is "Will Frank or AV every crack top 10 at the O, making them a top tier pro?"

The answer to that is a resounding no. No they will not. Not when their job as a spokesperson is #1 and their job as a BB'r is #2

[ragnar1199]

And as for Frank, IIRC the Toronto Pro was his first show back since his accident and he looked good.

I thought the last time he competed at the Olympia was after the car accident, when he took 15th I think. I'm pretty sure he did a big show, I remember people talking about how crappy he placed, but at the same time it was amazing that he was even on stage after the accident.

All these two care about is getting pussy. They're fine with being 2nd and 3rd (AV) tier pro's and hitting Vegas pool parties. There's a fine line between partying too much and still getting the job done. They're all about the former.

- Frank and AV party way too much

I never really got that impression from Frank, but AV, absolutely. Maybe I haven't been following them as closely lately, but Frank doesn't seem as wild as Antoine. I know in one of the videos that Antoine did after one of his last shows, I think the Toronto show, Frank even told him that next time he prepares for a show to not do any traveling, to just stay home and focus on the prep (and that he, Frank, would help him).

[spamy]

Not entirely sure if this was sarcasm or not...if it wasn't my apologies.

I honestly do not know of one serious competitor that purchases Universal products.

They must have some marketing appeal because they've stayed afloat as a company.

I think the real topic of debate here is "Will Frank or AV every crack top 10 at the O, making them a top tier pro?"

The answer to that is a resounding no. No they will not. Not when their job as a spokesperson is #1 and their job as a BB'r is #2

I was being serious, not sarcastic. Despite its shortcomings and blowing their supps out of proportion, Muscletech has always had the biggest names signed with them, and not only from bodybuilding, but from other sports too.
And there is one more thing: when you have young and new gifted guys willing to go balls to the walls and even beyond to succeed in this sport, the window of opportunity for people like Grath or AV, who are using their popularity and decent physiques compared to the other pros to be under the spotlight, is slowly closing if they don't use it correctly. The late bloomer thing worked for Ronnie who is a genetic freak, but it won't work for the majority.

[RepItOut]

They're both overrated and going nowhere in this sport.I'd rather hear from Jason Genova than these guys.

Best forearms in bodybuilding? Please.

[masthead716]

Frank and Antoine are getting to paid to bodybuild. Would I take it a little more seriously? Yeah, probably but I don't "party" much anymore as it is. I think they're having the time of their lives traveling, interacting with fans and promoting their brand. They are great personalities for the sport. I'm a huge Frank Mcgrath fan and I guarantee he would have won a few lower level pro shows had he not wrecked his arms/got in that accident. I don't give a f*ck about AV's sexual preferences, just like I don't care that Kai Greene beat his anaconda off some dude's forehead at a strip club.


I'd rather watch a training video of Antoine or Frank over someone like Dexter or Dennis Wolf any day. They provide more coverage & footage than just about any pro for us, the fans.....MrSilverback, I respect your opinion & usually agree with your posts, but I don't understand your POV on this one.

[Lvisaa2]

I can agree that maybe AV needs to be a little more serious during prep, but both AV and Frank have big reputations for their physiques. Why? Because they have big personalities and are signed with a company that fits that. Tbh, I relate more to people being real people rather than robotic supplement pushers. We all know supplements do nothing for a real pro.

Either way, no, sports companies don't always pick the "best" athletes. Popularity does matter. Why does Tebow have commercials when he isn't even in the league? Because he has a reputation and popularity.

[joly17]

Not entirely sure if this was sarcasm or not...if it wasn't my apologies.

I honestly do not know of one serious competitor that purchases Universal products.

They must have some marketing appeal because they've stayed afloat as a company.

I think the real topic of debate here is "Will Frank or AV every crack top 10 at the O, making them a top tier pro?"

The answer to that is a resounding no. No they will not. Not when their job as a spokesperson is #1 and their job as a BB'r is #2

You talk about them like you know them on a personal level. Congrats you follow them on instagram so you know all about their lives.
Started as hate on the athletes then transitioned into hate on the company they are sponsored by. What is your problem?

Edit: To add to this they went to a pool party at the Olympia which NEITHER OF THEM COMPETED IN and neither are competing until next season god forbid they do things that normal people do. It's funny how you think that a pro in the middle of their off season shouldnt go to a party with their buddies at the biggest event of the year.

[du3ce]

that girl is ugly as fuark

[napa1m]

Kai Greene beat his anaconda off some dude's forehead at a strip club.

Lol what? Is this for real?

[VICgotgame]

Have you seen Frank's photo of his forearm in Instagram? The vascularity is crazy! Looks disgusting as fuk tho. Flex Lewis has a good forearm too!

[Fittler]

Have you seen Frank's photo of his forearm in Instagram? The vascularity is crazy! Looks disgusting as fuk tho. Flex Lewis has a good forearm too!

His forearms look crazy in every pic he posts. IMO the best I have seen. The thickness in relation to his upper arm is crazy

[dom1987]

How the hell do you propose to know that AV trains "harder" than Frank? Or that he diets better than him? You don't. Also training "harder" doesn't mean better results. Some of the best physiques were created on smart training, not necessarily hard training.

I guess I posted without really thinking about it, I made a snap judgement because of Antoine training videos, he seems to lift heavier then frank and Antoine has more training footage then frank, which your right , it does not mean Antoine trains or diet harder and more efficiently then Frank.

With that said both of them seem very knowledgeable on both training and diet and judging by what both the athletes do for training and diet I dont think it could create such a vast difference in there size and vascularity and BF% becuase they both seem to diet and train similarly.Also Franks extra years should not give him that much of a size advantage pros such as victor marteinez,kevin levrone, , kai greene go from being 200-220lbs to 250-270lbs in a matter of months, muscle memory is a thing, but I refuse to be so naive to think its the only reason.

[Laterade]

Dude has the best forearms in bodybuilding by a mile.

wot







not even remotely close to the same area code as these 2 fellas

He might break top 10 in the forearm department of guys currently competing. I like him and hope he keeps improving after that accident but lets not get carried away.

[BartPimpson]

With that said both of them seem very knowledgeable on both training and diet and judging by what both the athletes do for training and diet I dont think it could create such a vast difference in there size and vascularity and BF% becuase they both seem to diet and train similarly.Also Franks extra years should not give him that much of a size advantage pros such as victor marteinez,kevin levrone, , kai greene go from being 200-220lbs to 250-270lbs in a matter of months, muscle memory is a thing, but I refuse to be so naive to think its the only reason.

I give Frank credit because at least he looks like a pro bodybuilder.

Antoine Vaillant is not ready to be a pro yet, in my honest opinion. He's young, he has potential, but the reality is he's just not competitive right now. He's part of what Bostin Loyd talked about once, where an amateur flukes his way into the pro ranks and crashes and burns because he's not at the required level. AV's record to date backs this up.

[wolfpilp]

Priest and Mcgrath have the best forearms.Their combination of mass,vascularity,shape is the best for me.

Mcgrath