Jeff Seid Natural?

[WhiteM95]

You have a good physique but you are in no way below 7-8 percent bf. I don't think you realize how shredded 5 is. You would also be flat as a pancake maintaining that bf year round

I mean I got it tested 5 times in a human performance lab. I'd rather go by that than a whole buch of random peoples estimates.

I don't think either of you realise how easily you can go from 6-7% to competition levels in 1 week by nearly killing estrogen (letro), and removing all water retention at all.

[RugbyBro]

I don't think either of you realise how easily you can go from 6-7% to competition levels in 1 week by nearly killing estrogen (letro), and removing all water retention at all.

Not as easy as it sounds. Once you hit 5ish% it's a matter of dropping water and your food intake that will reduce bodyfat.



Last comp I did I came in probably around 4%. The night before my friend was applying one of my last base layers I was having trouble standing without feeling like I was going to pass out, a gut ache that wouldn't go away and dry heaving/vommiting. Never going to drop that low naturally ever again.

[tinytim1]

Back in topic, Jeff Seid is natural, I don't doubt it. He looks photoshopped on photos because ALL fitness photos are fcuking photoshopped.

Watch some raw footage off him and it's Ogus all over again. Looks stupid dry detailed as **** on photos but in person and on real raw footage and he's not that big.

I'll say it once more, he's admitted to using, yet people are still dumb enough to question it

[FiredUpBruh]

gymbhu is telling the truth. Hard work and dedication pays off. stfu and gtfo losers.

[gymhbu]

I'll say it once more, he's admitted to using, yet people are still dumb enough to question it

link? the second I see it is the second I'll believe it.

[tinytim1]

link? the second I see it is the second I'll believe it.

Used to be on his ******** page, deleted it when he became famous

[RugbyBro]

link? the second I see it is the second I'll believe it.

Everyone in the industry who is anybody does them. You can't stay that lean year round.

And sorry to break it to you. You're not 5%

[WhiteM95]

Not as easy as it sounds. Once you hit 5ish% it's a matter of dropping water and your food intake that will reduce bodyfat.



Last comp I did I came in probably around 4%. The night before my friend was applying one of my last base layers I was having trouble standing without feeling like I was going to pass out, a gut ache that wouldn't go away and dry heaving/vommiting. Never going to drop that low naturally ever again.

Yes true. But I'm not talking naturally. (Letro). Quick google search. Drop all compounds which can induc3 2-3 weeks before show. And add medium high dose of letro. Kills estrogen and all water

[anonymous]

So what your saying is they eat less calories than their body needs to maintain their current composition.

Mind = Blown

i'm saying they dont change what they actually eat, just their calories, they just eat in less amounts but eat the same chit. and tons of drugs. most natty guys change up what they eat AND calories.

[Dragobath]

It doesn't matter whether he's on steroids or not, its ultimately his choice.
but yes, his physique is achievable with a lot of hard work, long term dedication etc etc

[RugbyBro]

i'm saying they dont change what they actually eat, just their calories, they just eat in less amounts but eat the same chit. and tons of drugs. most natty guys change up what they eat AND calories.

A natty could apply the same technique.

[gymhbu]

Everyone in the industry who is anybody does them. You can't stay that lean year round.

And sorry to break it to you. You're not 5%

lol b/c I'm really gonna take a bunch of frail f*ckers opinions and estimates over the months of testing I had to do. gtfo

[Cookezilla]

lol b/c I'm really gonna take a bunch of frail f*ckers opinions and estimates over the months of testing I had to do. gtfo

Sorry bro i hate being mean but you are defiantly not 5%...

[RugbyBro]

lol b/c I'm really gonna take a bunch of frail f*ckers opinions and estimates over the months of testing I had to do. gtfo

Regardless of genetics you will be vascular af at 5%. You're not vascular at all. Lol at frail

[gymhbu]

Sorry bro i hate being mean but you are defiantly not 5%...

Thanks for your opinion brother.

Regardless of genetics you will be vascular af at 5%. You're not vascular at all. Lol at frail

Lol first time I've heard that one.

[JoshyCii]

chances of that physiqe being acheivable naturally is top 1-5% genetics, in terms of size, not bodyfat an dryness, most people dont get much bigger after their second year of proper training and nutrition, if they do, its cos their nutrition and/or training wasnt very good, warranting them to gain a bit longer.

only slight improvement can be made during the years afterwards. the longer you train, also warrants for how much muscle you will retain when getting down to competitor bf levels. For instance, that 5lbs you gain in your 3rd year of training, will go down the drain when getting to such body fat levels, on your 4th year, youll be slightly bigger at those levels. so unless you find some sort of philosophical/spiritual satisfaction out of doing it naturally (which if you have been seeing average results for 2 years, means that there will usually be some sort of satisfaction in training (not limited to natural training of course), you are better off jumping on dat der after 2 years of natural training, as you will probs have about 10lbs of muscle growth yet before you get to your limit, which will probs take you about 3-4 years to gain, due to diminishing returns. you only really start to look decent (not big per se') once you get to that 2 year mark, naturally.

unless you have that top 5% genetics (muscle building, not insertions or bone structure genes), you probs wont reach aesthetics until the 6th or 7th year mark when you can finally be 7% bodyfat where you can retain enough mass to be classified as aesthetic, unless you have top teir insertions and bone structure, in which will take you 4-5 years.

But you can look good after 2 years on average with average genetic, those top 5% can look good after 1-1/2 years. most of those top 5% wont be on forums though, as they can do the Bro'est split ever doing 20 sets on chest and their entire body grows (exageration, but you know what i mean) as they generally dont take weightlifting as serious as most do here, so they do acheive aesthetics, faster than the average who spend hours learning how to eat, how how to program for optimal results, now some of the 5% do spend hours learning correct nutrition and how to eat, now these guys, due to how serious they take it, end up competing in untested events, as even though they can acheive a higher degree of aesthetics than most, realize to get somewhere in untest events they need to take something to acheive that "next level" aesthetics.
now some "athletes" (if you want to call them that, although they are more beauty pageant contests than anything, look completely different in different pictures due to what they are on, different 'supplements make them more pumped, drier etc. depends on timing of when these supplements are taken.

for instance:

look at him on stage, being dry, and still shredding, vs when bulked. Hes probably done more sets on the first picture, and an hour of training, vs about 5min of pumping up, before stage, his delts and back look completely blown up on stage (yes hes flaring lats, but when flaring lats, your shoulders look the slightest bit smaller usually)

Jeff is king of physique manipulation in terms of looking so different in such short periods of time, through "supplements, angles and posing

jeff is top 5% for sure.

Bro there is no way that after 2 years you stop getting results, that is ridiculous that you think that...just a simple click on transformation progress photo's in the section will prove that too you.

[RugbyBro]

Thanks for your opinion brother.



Lol first time I've heard that one.

At 5% you'd have more than a bicep vein and slight delt veins. You also can visibly see muscle seperation unflexed.

[gymhbu]

At 5% you'd have more than a bicep vein and slight delt veins. You also can visibly see muscle seperation unflexed.

Lol I'm not gonna sit and argue. I've had it tested 5 times brother I'll take the results over your word. Appreciate your input though, all love here dude. Oh and if you're looking at my profile picture that was 3 years ago when I was 16 no idea what my bf was that long ago. I keep it up though cause I think it's pretty impressive.

[mirinaestedik]

Natty or not who cares? People who saying he's on roids are just some Bon Bon eating motha****as that don't know what hard work truly is. And I don't even like Jeff seid.

[BlueCamel]

Lol I'm not gonna sit and argue. I've had it tested 5 times brother I'll take the results over your word. Appreciate your input though, all love here dude. Oh and if you're looking at my profile picture that was 3 years ago when I was 16 no idea what my bf was that long ago. I keep it up though cause I think it's pretty impressive.

if that was when you were 16, you're 100% not natty.

[RhysBuddy]

why not just give him the benefit of the doubt since he has being doing this for 8 years and to be honest his starting physique makes sense to how he looks now. worry about yourself and not others

[13donniedarko]

Just look at Eugene Sandow if you want a natty idea of what s possible

[Peacebro]

He's not natty but if I remember he's not particularly huge, just crazy shredded. You can probably get his size natty but not his leanness or his delts.

[gymhbu]

if that was when you were 16, you're 100% not natty.

Sad you think that way brother.

He's not natty but if I remember he's not particularly huge, just crazy shredded. You can probably get his size natty but not his leanness or his delts.

Yeah his size isn't the least bit impressive just his abs in my opinion.

[tinytim1]

if that was when you were 16, you're 100% not natty.

This. I'v seen his instagram though, he really doesn't look that good tbh

[Cookezilla]

I don't think it matters if Jeff is natty or not. Everyone on this planet has different bone structure, insertions etc. Some people are not built for bodybuilding, some people are born for it, thats the harsh reality of it. I've made unreal gains this year going from 155 to 190 and dropping 1%bf, all naturally. It just depends on genetics. Some people can do what 97% cant, its only the 5-3% that actually know what is possible. (obviously im talking within reason here)


All that being said, Jeffs knowledge on training and nutrition seems way off so i'd hedge my bets on his fantastic genetics carrying him through.

[jfc0012]

2 years on gear from 15 to 17 years old for reference

http://imgur.com/a/kcvu7#0

NOt very impressive for 2 years of steroids

[Alaskaaa]

If Jeff Seid is natty or not who cares. I mean it definitely wouldn't be a surprise if he wasn't but he's also been fit as hell since he was 12. But what irks me is that people think anyone with a good physique is not natty. I'm only 18 at the moment and by the time I'm 21 I'm sure I'll look loads better than I do now and people will probably say not natty as well.

[WillAlwaysLift]

Natty, shredded, but not crazy big.

[Cody2447]

Hmm feel like everyone is looking at the wrong evidence.
Jeff is currently 19, 18 when most of his photos/vids were taken.
Year round he stays insanely conditioned, not much above 6% fat.
He lifts pretty heavy ass weights in all of his exercises. 275 for 5-6 reps on his last set of incline bb... Not bad.
To his credit, he is an outstanding athlete, check out his wrestling videos, pretty impressive and noticeable muscular development for a high schooler.
Just because he isn't the size of Arnold, this shouldn't play a factor, roids + light eating still yields impressive results.

So given everything here, I think he is rather gifted, however, I've never seen anybody stay that conditioned year round, lift that kind of weight, especially at 18 years old. Unless he has genetics that this planet hasn't seen before, he's juicing and keeping his calories relatively low so he doesn't put on too much muscle ala maintaining the "aesthetic" lifestyle.