What's the point in equipped lifting?

[TheJohnnyBoyy]

This is a serious question no offense or anything, but is there a benefit in training equipped over raw? or is the only benefit of training in a suit just to get better at equipped lifting?

[davisj3537]

This is a serious question

Is it?

[Big Sexy J]

Because people lift how they want to lift.

[NorthStrong]

No geared lifting sucks and is stupid

No raw lifting sucks and is stupid

[HmKleiva]

I feel that the equipment, esp bench shirt, adds an extra variable. Meaning it's kind of an extra challenge.. but this is probably very individually.. I have spoken with people that just use it because they have no choice since there is no raw fed in my country..

[phrali]

Lets see how deep YOU squat with 1200 lbs on your back

[rancid_theclash]

there can be benefits to geared lifting, for example its a great way to create a new stimulus,.. it allows you to overload your muscles in a controlled manner, thus helping your raw bench go up,.. can protect you from injuries,.. and can force you to focus on different muscle groups then a raw exercise.

[doctor220]

Lets see how deep YOU squat with 1200 lbs on your back

Most irrational argument possible. So is it acceptable for someone to unrack 1800 and move quads 2 inches, rerack and call it a squat?

Different strokes, I have no problems with equipped lifting, but the judging along with the attitudes of the lifters need to be fixed. Obviously as you have people chasing most weight possible they are going to be pushing limits of what is considered depth and what isn't, but I think both the person and the judge should have the integrity to uphold these standards. I will say I've seen less than 10 multi-ply squats that would actually be defined as hitting depth in my life.

[baxtej44]

Most irrational argument possible. So is it acceptable for someone to unrack 1800 and move quads 2 inches, rerack and call it a squat?

Different strokes, I have no problems with equipped lifting, but the judging along with the attitudes of the lifters need to be fixed. Obviously as you have people chasing most weight possible they are going to be pushing limits of what is considered depth and what isn't, but I think both the person and the judge should have the integrity to uphold these standards. I will say I've seen less than 10 multi-ply squats that would actually be defined as hitting depth in my life.

sorry they can't meet your standards, your highness.



i'm not saying all multiply squats are buried, but if you've only seen 10 you haven't watched enough multiply squats or you're one of those "a2g" people.

[Jason2459]

But who was old argument?

[doctor220]

sorry they can't meet your standards, your highness.



i'm not saying all multiply squats are buried, but if you've only seen 10 you haven't watched enough multiply squats or you're one of those "a2g" people.

Nah not at all. Honestly show me some and I'll believe you. I'm not saying multi-ply makes it impossible to hit depth, that multi-ply sucks or anything like that. That's what those people's goals are and that's great. Just saying that personally haven't seen many that hit depth. Again just a thought.

[InspecktaDeck]

Geared lifting is for cheaters, and it makes you fat. Ever notice how all the super heavies in gear are fat? Point proven... hyuck hyuck hyuck

[RAGEDEMON87]

To lift more weight.

the problem with gear IMO is that its becoming to advanced.

[Greb]

Here's the point...

Geared: To lift the most possible weight
Raw: To lift the most possible weight without the assistance of gear.

It all depends on what you're into.

[paulosantos0922]

Most irrational argument possible. So is it acceptable for someone to unrack 1800 and move quads 2 inches, rerack and call it a squat?

Different strokes, I have no problems with equipped lifting, but the judging along with the attitudes of the lifters need to be fixed. Obviously as you have people chasing most weight possible they are going to be pushing limits of what is considered depth and what isn't, but I think both the person and the judge should have the integrity to uphold these standards. I will say I've seen less than 10 multi-ply squats that would actually be defined as hitting depth in my life.

You call someone else's response irrational, yet, you posted something as asinine as this?

[ErickStevens]

TIL multi-ply is the only type of equipped lifting

[SPFjudge]

Its about competition. You only compete against other equipped lifters. It just add an extra variable into the mix. You have to be very very technically sound and strong to be good in equipment.

[naturalguy]

The point of lifting geared is to lift more weight

[kmc06005]

Geared lifting is for cheaters, and it makes you fat. Ever notice how all the super heavies in gear are fat? Point proven... hyuck hyuck hyuck

I can verify. I used to lift in football shoulder pads, and a helmet... Now look at me.

The point of lifting geared is to lift more weight

What I came to post.

[ChecksandGiggles]

OP, you look like you're holding a silver-grey dildo to your abs in your avatar.

[IngeKJ]

sorry they can't meet your standards, your highness.



i'm not saying all multiply squats are buried, but if you've only seen 10 you haven't watched enough multiply squats or you're one of those "a2g" people.

IPF depth or nothing. What's the point of squatting without hitting depth? Might as well do board presses and block pulls in competition.

[baxtej44]

IPF depth or nothing. What's the point of squatting without hitting depth? Might as well do board presses and block pulls in competition.

"until the top surface of the leg at the hip joint is lower than the top of the knee" IPF rule book

many feds follow this same rule. so if you have a problem with other feds, it's likely with the judging and not the rule books.


Again, I didn't say that all multiply squats are to depth, just as not all raw squats are to depth. But there are certainly more than 10 in the entire history of powerlifting that have been to depth.

[doctor220]

You call someone else's response irrational, yet, you posted something as asinine as this?

Or you can just say that and not counter and explain at all. Show me 20 videos of dudes hitting depth in multi-ply. I think its hilarious people try to point out about single ply. Generally most people I've seen don't have a problem with single ply... Hence why it's not discussed.

IPF depth or nothing. What's the point of squatting without hitting depth? Might as well do board presses and block pulls in competition.

I forgot the concept of hip crease, top of thigh whatever you want to call it changes fed to fed... Oh wait it shouldn't, just the enforcement does...
It's moronic to attack someone's points and then not explain why....

[NorthStrong]

OP, you look like you're holding a silver-grey dildo to your abs in your avatar.

Only good comment in this thread.

[getout87]

Or you can just say that and not counter and explain at all. Show me 20 videos of dudes hitting depth in multi-ply. I think its hilarious people try to point out about single ply. Generally most people I've seen don't have a problem with single ply... Hence why it's not discussed.


I forgot the concept of hip crease, top of thigh whatever you want to call it changes fed to fed... Oh wait it shouldn't, just the enforcement does...
It's moronic to attack someone's points and then not explain why....

there is a difference between enforcing the rules as written, or "over" enforcing them like some feds are wont to do.

[paulosantos0922]

Or you can just say that and not counter and explain at all. Show me 20 videos of dudes hitting depth in multi-ply. I think its hilarious people try to point out about single ply. Generally most people I've seen don't have a problem with single ply... Hence why it's not discussed.

I can care less about that crap. Lift in whatever class or gear you want and stop worrying about what other people do.

[doctor220]

I can care less about that crap. Lift in whatever class or gear you want and stop worrying about what other people do.

It's "I couldn't care less." if you could care less, that's indicating you do care(hence you could care less). I don't worry and honestly if someone wants to squat in 50 ply and squat 5000 lbs, more power to them, hope they're happy and I'm sure they are stronger than me. Just things I see from the geared circle that seem to disconnect it from the raw circle. Seems like there is a raw depth and a geared depth.

there is a difference between enforcing the rules as written, or "over" enforcing them like some feds are wont to do.

Absolutely and completely agree with that, just seems like we still don't see many that get close to parallel, let alone convincingly so. I understand that at those extreme levels of performance one is always going to be pushing the limits, but a lot of what I see is nowhere near the limit.

[Muscle Mania Matt]

Here is what I have observed as I have started to switch over to equipped lifting the last few years. I feel equipped lifting requires greater technique and skill than raw, and it obviously requires more strength. It takes discipline; I raw squat heavy all the time. But suited up and taking a squat all the way down is tough. Intense pressure (blood vessels always rupture), the suits cutting into you; it isn't easy. For me, it was kind of a new challenge. Plus, after over a decade of raw lifting, how much more can I expect my lifts to go up?

The entire reason I tried it out is because I felt some benefits from experimenting with it. I trained for years without ever using so much as a wrist wrap. Training in my ice cold garage in the winter, I started adding little things like sleeves, knee wraps, or some neoprene shorts. Then I had some hip issues, and for a while I squatted in briefs. I was amazed at how better my joints were feeling in some loose briefs. I felt the same thing with shirts and sling shots. Equipped lifting has also given me great top end strength and confidence under heavy weight.

I compare it to track and field, in some ways. It's the same kind of discipline, just a different event. You want the 400, 800, or 1600? It's just whatever events you choose to specialize in. Lifting is the same. Find what you like, work at it, and don't criticize others for choosing a different discipline. Equipped lifting is in no way easier than raw lifting.

[isaku900]

Most irrational argument possible. So is it acceptable for someone to unrack 1800 and move quads 2 inches, rerack and call it a squat?

phrali was trolling i'm fairly sure.

Different strokes, I have no problems with equipped lifting, but the judging along with the attitudes of the lifters need to be fixed. Obviously as you have people chasing most weight possible they are going to be pushing limits of what is considered depth and what isn't, but I think both the person and the judge should have the integrity to uphold these standards. I will say I've seen less than 10 multi-ply squats that would actually be defined as hitting depth in my life.

the issue is one of judging, not equipment, the same feds you see passing high squats in multiply will pass high raw squats.

the argument you're having is one that has nothing to do with the equipment.