Would you dominate WWE Womens Division if it was real?

[FreakyFit]

OK. I'll admit it. I'm a big fan of WWE. I know it's usually for kids and teenage boys but when I was growing up it was the only place on TV that you were guaranteed to see big muscular men on every show. All my teenage crushes were from the WWE!

Even these days I still tune in regularly just to ogle. I've also become interested in the women's side of it and possibly competing in some form of pro-wrestling. I've done a bit of boxing and self-defence so I reckon I could hold my own and improve with training.

Obviously in the women's side there is a huge emphasis on looks to attract their target audience. Some of the girls are quite athletic but few of them look like they could bench press their own bodyweight. My favourites were Chyna and Beth Phoenix.

So let's say that the WWE wrestling was real and you were given 6 months training. Would you be able to win the championship against the current crop of divas?

[Wyomann]

OK. I'll admit it. I'm a big fan of WWE. I know it's usually for kids and teenage boys but when I was growing up it was the only place on TV that you were guaranteed to see big muscular men on every show. All my teenage crushes were from the WWE!

Even these days I still tune in regularly just to ogle. I've also become interested in the women's side of it and possibly competing in some form of pro-wrestling. I've done a bit of boxing and self-defence so I reckon I could hold my own and improve with training.

Obviously in the women's side there is a huge emphasis on looks to attract their target audience. Some of the girls are quite athletic but few of them look like they could bench press their own bodyweight. My favourites were Chyna and Beth Phoenix.

So let's say that the WWE wrestling was real and you were given 6 months training. Would you be able to win the championship against the current crop of divas?

Probably, I'm stronger and more elite than all of them.

Chyna does porn.

I'm guessing your fav male wrestler was Davey Boy Smith aka The British Bulldog

[fitfinealways]

I am not into wrestling but my brother used to be a fan of it so growing up I saw a lot of wrestling. Trish Stratuss was my favourite alongside Molly Holly, Stacy Keibler and Tory Wilson.

I don't know who are the current crop of WWE divas so cannot really answer your question about how I will perform against them with 6 months of training but I heard once that "outback Jack" series famed Maria is in WWE now.

[FreakyFit]

Probably, I'm stronger and more elite than all of them.

Chyna does porn.

I'm guessing your fav male wrestler was Davey Boy Smith aka The British Bulldog

Oh yeah he was my favourite being a Brit. Loved Bret Hart too :-)

You are MASSIVE! You should sign up!

[chucksmanhood]

Oh yeah he was my favourite being a Brit. Loved Bret Hart too :-)

You are MASSIVE! You should sign up!

Bret Hart fan checking in.

OP theres a broad from England in the WWE forum on here, you should contact her for info on training and how to get started and what not, tiffany wantsmore is her name.

[TrainBetter]

No, I'd lose badly... I can't stand fighting. Watching others is ok, but I personally try to avoid it. I used to fight with my sister growing up and I always just wanted it to be over - I was angry and stubborn so it took a while before it ended, but it didn't make me feel great.

[Artemis00]

So let's say that the WWE wrestling was real and you were given 6 months training. Would you be able to win the championship against the current crop of divas?

The problem is WWE wrestling isn't real...it can't be real. Half of the moves they do, if not choreographed properly, will result in significant injury / death. Perfect example...if you do a REAL pile driver to your opponent, well either you are going to kill your opponent or you are going to leave them as a quadriplegic.

Now if you want to actually look at a REAL full contact sport, the closest you have is MMA where they will actually use techniques from REAL wrestling. And no, there is nothing I would be able to learn in 6 months that would be able to give me the slightest chance of beating the 135 lb champ who has had over 4 years of training MMA and has been training Judo since she was 11.

[Wyomann]

The problem is WWE wrestling isn't real...it can't be real. Half of the moves they do, if not choreographed properly, will result in significant injury / death. Perfect example...if you do a REAL pile driver to your opponent, well either you are going to kill your opponent or you are going to leave them as a quadriplegic.

Now if you want to actually look at a REAL full contact sport, the closest you have is MMA where they will actually use techniques from REAL wrestling. And no, there is nothing I would be able to learn in 6 months that would be able to give me the slightest chance of beating the 135 lb champ who has had over 4 years of training MMA and has been training Judo since she was 11.

Is it fake, he answers it.

[Artemis00]

Is it fake, he answers it.

I'm not saying it isn't athletic and that there isn't a risk of getting hurt. But the moves they execute are meant to be choreographed with both characters participating, otherwise there would be fatalities.


This on the other hand is very real.

[Girlybird]

I think I would.. now its just a bunch divas who "think" they know how to wrestle. Divas like Trish Stratus and Lita and all the others from the early 2000s made the womens division

[TRFit]

Ha ha! That's a great question! However no I would be terrible as I'm quite small and they would probably pick me up and throw me like a rag doll!

[Big_Dip]

Ha ha! That's a great question! However no I would be terrible as I'm quite small and they would probably pick me up and throw me like a rag doll!

The current women's champ is only about your size. AJ Lee:



In a normal fight most women here would kick her ass easily!

[liuzhoudragon]

Wining the championship has everything to do with being the biggest draw. It doesn't matter if you are the best female fighter in the history of time, if you don't draw $ for the company then no wrestling company would let you near there championship.

obviously being fit and attractive helps in being considered. But you need to train specifically for professional wrestling. Some are quick learners some are slow.

also there are tens of thousands of professional wrestlers, but very very few jobs that get on tv.

Find good wrestling school if you are interested. There are a few pros that post in WWE section on the misc that could recommend a good school

[Artemis00]

Wining the championship has everything to do with being the biggest draw. It doesn't matter if you are the best female fighter in the history of time, if you don't draw $ for the company then no wrestling company would let you near there championship.

obviously being fit and attractive helps in being considered. But you need to train specifically for professional wrestling. Some are quick learners some are slow.

also there are tens of thousands of professional wrestlers, but very very few jobs that get on tv.

Find good wrestling school if you are interested. There are a few pros that post in WWE section on the misc that could recommend a good school

So much the comment in bold...

Blows my mind some people's attitudes. Just because you pick heavy weights up and put them down does not mean that you can actually fight or be successful with professional wrestling. Granted, most of WWE wrestling is choreographed, but they still have a good knowledge on some legit wrestling moves (arm bars, legs locks, etc.) which is a lot more than most of the people on this forum. Hell, even fans of wrestling and UFC hardly know how to execute an effective submission move. So honestly, I would put my money on AJ Lee over any female weight lifter (especially on this site) that has not trained in any form of mma, boxing, or wrestling.

Obviously humility and weight lifting does not go hand in hand.

[Big_Dip]

So much the comment in bold...

Blows my mind some people's attitudes. Just because you pick heavy weights up and put them down does not mean that you can actually fight or be successful with professional wrestling. Granted, most of WWE wrestling is choreographed, but they still have a good knowledge on some legit wrestling moves (arm bars, legs locks, etc.) which is a lot more than most of the people on this forum. Hell, even fans of wrestling and UFC hardly know how to execute an effective submission move. So honestly, I would put my money on AJ Lee over any female weight lifter (especially on this site) that has not trained in any form of mma, boxing, or wrestling.

Obviously humility and weight lifting does not go hand in hand.

I'd like to see AJ Lee against a strong 150 lb + lifter. If they got hold of her then they could overpower her. Tamina would own her in a real wrestle. She's big for a female, strong and can wrestle:

[Artemis00]

I'd like to see AJ Lee against a strong 150 lb + lifter. If they got hold of her then they could overpower her. Tamina would own her in a real wrestle. She's big for a female, strong and can wrestle:

Okay, so based on your logic...strength and size trumps skill.

Thus in a fight...this guy (180 lbs)



would lose against this guy (220 lbs)...





Well guess what...your logic is flawed cause the little guy won. Not only won, but dominated him...submitted him in 57 seconds. And that was with two guys that have similar training.


A 150+ lb weight lifter with no wrestling/grappling skills against a 115+ lb wrestler/grappler won't fare well. And just because AJ Lee is small, doesn't mean she isn't strong.


What about this woman (135 lbs). Do you think a 150+ lb weight lifter or even Tamina could beat her?

[liuzhoudragon]

As a guy who likes being big and weight lifting I find the bodybuilding community to be incredibly stupid in terms of combat sports or fighting in general. I also do a lot of kickboxing.

Fedor Emeilienenko is the consensus GOAT mma fighter. He is short and carries drastically more bodyfat then needed cause he refused to not drink vodka and eat ice cream. He beat biger stronger, heavier guys all the time.

The bro attitude of "I am bigger I will win" makes me ashamed as a lifter.

135lb Demetrious Johnson would beat the piss out of jay cutler.

[Artemis00]

So much this^^^^


I've spent over 4 years training in Kickboxing, Muay Thai and grappling. Even did a few grappling competition. But the most important thing I have learned was to never...NEVER...NEVER underestimate your opponent based on appearance, age, etc. Only fools do that.

Blows my mind to hear so many weight lifters talk as if they are so tough because they lift weights...especially when most of them have never thrown a punch, submitted a person, taken a punch to the face, gotten head butted, or gotten a bloody/broken nose from a leg to the face. Hell, most weight lifters will stop what they are doing if they get a leg cramp while lifting weights. You don't have that luxury in an competition to ask for a time out cause of a cramp...you have no choice but to push thru it. Even after personally going thru all of that (and a lot more), I still don't go around talking trash as if I could beat up anyone.

[MadCatLady]

I fight people of all shapes and sizes pretty much every day at work...does that count?

[Artemis00]

I fight people of all shapes and sizes pretty much every day at work...does that count?

Your point?

I'm guessing you are either military, security or a LEO. Do you approach everyone thinking you are going to be able to kick their butt?

[MadCatLady]

Your point?

I'm guessing you are either military, security or a LEO. Do you approach everyone thinking you are going to be able to kick their butt?

Nope. That was a light hearted comment. Don't take it so personally.

But I certainly don't assume I'm gonna get my azz kicked. Confidence goes a long way.

[Artemis00]

Nope. That was a light hearted comment. Don't take it so personally.

But I certainly don't assume I'm gonna get my azz kicked. Confidence goes a long way.

Actually I didn't take it personally but I have dealt with LEOs that honestly think they become superman (invincible) as soon as they get a badge and was just curious if you are that type or like you said, making a light hearted comment.


And I absolutely agree...confidence is extremely important and goes a long way. But huge difference between being confident and being cocky.

[Jecrabbit]

With my stats, my only hope would be to be a nasty little squarking, squeeking, running-around-close-to-the-floor-creepy little biting scratching spitting thing. Preferably I would have a twin (or someone that looks like me) to double up with.

Like these guys from Nacho Libre:



Or just think of the scene in The Wizard of Oz where all the little monkeys pull apart the scarecrow.

[AirChair]

So honestly, I would put my money on AJ Lee over any female weight lifter (especially on this site) that has not trained in any form of mma, boxing, or wrestling.

Didn't Celeste Bonin have a Bodyspace?

As a guy who likes being big and weight lifting I find the bodybuilding community to be incredibly stupid in terms of combat sports or fighting in general.

You remember when that lady got attacked by her pet chimpanzee a couple years ago? You remember the laughable reactions from people here about how that wouldn't have happened to them because they lift?

Anyway, I think this applies to the general public as well. People who've never been in a fight, or have no real understanding of human physiology, just blindly accept that when you're big and strong you can win fights. Case in point: The Dark Knight Rises. That first Batman v. Bane sequence pissed me off beyond belief from the start, and just kept compounding it. Bane starts off just taking it from a fully-grown, 220lb adult male who we know has extensive combat training, but somehow doesn't just get his ass handed to him? Yup, math checks out. Bane does that leaping-spinning-punching thing and apparently hits Batman square in the forehead (of his composite helmet)? Yeah, that definitely wouldn't shatter a metacarpal or three. Bane repeatedly punches into the same composite helmet with a closed fist, while the helmet is laying supported on concrete stairs? That'd be like punching a bowling ball, but again no reason to think that would totally destroy your hand or anything. Obviously Bane can do it because he's big and strong! So strong he can punch a concrete pillar later on and not pay for it dearly!

[Wyomann]

Who would you bet on if these 2 fought?

5'3'' 125lbs 19-2 Champion


6'1'' 240lbs 13-1 Champion

[Artemis00]

Who would you bet on if these 2 fought?

If is a caged fight...Cain and not because of his size but because he has a stronger fight history and his particular fighting style.

If it is a street fight...I don't know (normal rules in UFC fights don't apply) and you are comparing two guys that are trained to fight.

If that comment was directed towards me, you should know better. LOL. I know more about MMA than most guys do. Plus you didn't disprove my claim since you compared two guys with fighting skills...but thanks for trying.


I think a better question would be...Do YOU think you could beat Demetrious in a cage or street fight? Now if you ask me who I would bet on to win...sorry, but I wouldn't dream of betting on you. But you would make me quite a bit of money when you lose.

Now if it was a telephone pole throwing contest, I would put money on you. People need to stick with their skill base. Don't think you can fight just cause you can pick up a heavy weight.

[Wyomann]

If is a caged fight...Cain and not because of his size but because he has a stronger fight history and his particular fighting style.

If it is a street fight...I don't know (normal rules in UFC fights don't apply) and you are comparing two guys that are trained to fight.

If that comment was directed towards me, you should know better. LOL. I know more about MMA than most guys do. Plus you didn't disprove my claim since you compared two guys with fighting skills...but thanks for trying.


I think a better question would be...Do YOU think you could beat Demetrious in a cage or street fight? Now if you ask me who I would bet on to win...sorry, but I wouldn't dream of betting on you. But you would make me quite a bit of money when you lose.

No it wasn't directed at you, but size does matter. I mean all fighting/grappling/boxing are based upon weight classes for a reason. I'm not saying skill isn't more important than size and strength, but size is a BIG factor. To think otherwise is pretty silly.

You all don't have to take my word for it, this article sums it up nicely. "Physics is Merciless" http://www.fightmagazine.com/mma-mag...e-matters-874/

[Artemis00]

No it wasn't directed at you, but size does matter. I mean all fighting/grappling/boxing are based upon weight classes for a reason. I'm not saying skill isn't more important than size and strength, but size is a BIG factor. To think otherwise is pretty silly.

You all don't have to take my word for it, this article sums it up nicely. "Physics is Merciless" http://www.fightmagazine.com/mma-mag...e-matters-874/

Size matters when you are dealing with two people that have a similar training backgrounds. I won't ever disagree with that...it was actually the exact reason I started to lift weights to try to equalize the disadvantage I have against women that I train with that are larger than me. But in those cases you are dealing with people with a SIMILAR training background in which there are so many variables (size, strength, speed, skill, endurance, flexibility etc.) that can give you an advantage over the other competitor.


But that is not the claim I am trying to dispute. The claim that was made that I am trying to dispute...is that a person that is bigger and stronger but has no fight training / experience will be able to beat a person that is smaller / weaker (in context) but has fight training / experience. And sorry, in those cases...the person that knows how to fight will almost always win over the one that doesn't.

What good is all that strength and size if you don't know how to use it? Most of the women on this site probably don't even know how to throw an effective punch (sorry but cardio kickboxing classes will NOT teach you that). Which means to a trained fighter, those punches won't cause much damage, but will give that fighter the time to wait for an opportunity and knock that person out with ONE EFFECTIVE punch. And yeah it is absolutely physics. A trained fighter can put 70-80% of her strength/weight into a punch...but an untrained fighter can only put in 5-10% of her strength/weight into a punch. So how much did that strength/weight really help? A trained fighter will understand that every punch is a compound move (utilizing all of the muscles in the body to put force behind that punch). Whereas an untrained fighter will probably only put the strength in their arm behind that punch. A trained fighter will have the endurance to throw hundreds of effective punches whereas an untrained fighter's arm will probably gas out after 20 ineffective punches. A trained fighter knows how to throw a punch in a way not to hurt themselves (proper form), whereas an untrained fighter may damage their hand, wrist, elbow, shoulder buy throwing bad punches (improper form). A trained fighter's body is conditioned to receive a punch (good chin), whereas an untrained fighter's body isn't (glass jaw).

I could go on...and that is just regarding throwing a punch...with grappling...being small can actually be an advantage.

[liuzhoudragon]

[QUOTE=AirChair;1193837691]Didn't Celeste Bonin have a Bodyspace?



You remember when that lady got attacked by her pet chimpanzee a couple years ago? You remember the laughable reactions from people here about how that wouldn't have happened to them because they lift?

Anyway, I think this applies to the general public as well. People who've never been in a fight, or have no real understanding of human physiology, just blindly accept that when you're big and strong you can win fights. Case in point: The Dark Knight Rises. That first Batman v. Bane sequence pissed me off beyond belief from the start, and just kept compounding it. Bane starts off just taking it from a fully-grown, 220lb adult male who we know has extensive combat training, but somehow doesn't just get his ass handed to him? Yup, math checks out. Bane does that leaping-spinning-punching thing and apparently hits Batman square in the forehead (of his composite helmet)? Yeah, that definitely wouldn't shatter a metacarpal or three. Bane repeatedly punches into the same composite helmet with a closed fist, while the helmet is laying supported on concrete stairs? That'd be like punching a bowling ball, but again no reason to think that would totally destroy your hand or anything. Obviously Bane can do it because he's big and strong! So strong he can punch a concrete pillar later on and not pay for it dearly! [/QUOTE

1. Chimpanzees are incredibly strong p4p. They could easily out wrestle you average man, you would need to be large enough and trained to pin it down (incredibly hard given a chimps core strength and low center of gravity.)

2. Its a movie.

[liuzhoudragon]

the Cain vs Demetrious question is foolish. your comparing two men of world-class level skill, but one is twice as big.

put also 125lb of Demetrious against your a untrained giant of your choice and he wins easily. (freak fights are less and less common, but when they were not more in pride the actually trained guy won.)