Starting strength claims another victim

[nine151]

He obviously made some gains






















































in the mushroom tip department

[matw]

did the guy in the OP even gain strength?

[Stridone]

Brahs I've been doing SS for a long time now, didn't realize alot of miscers disliked SS. What would you recommend as a new routine to follow up with, mainly want to gain aesthetics but also some strength?

[.aeterna]

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Brahs I've been doing SS for a long time now, didn't realize alot of miscers disliked SS. What would you recommend as a new routine to follow up with, mainly want to gain aesthetics but also some strength?

PHAT is good

brb squat 2x/week
brb deadlift one day and RDL's another day
brb bench 2x/week

two power days
three hypertrophy days

best of both worlds. only problem is no set progression plan but again..its mainly a routine for aesthetics. not to prep for a powerlifting comp

[Stridone]

I would recommend not abandoning proven fundamentals at the whim of ignorant miscers.

I agree, forgot to mention that I personally feel ready for a more bb focussed routine, have been doing SS for about 9 months now.

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PHAT is good

brb squat 2x/week
brb deadlift one day and RDL's another day
brb bench 2x/week

two power days
three hypertrophy days

best of both worlds. only problem is no set progression plan but again..its mainly a routine for aesthetics. not to prep for a powerlifting comp

Thanks, I'll check it out!

[Devils]

that's good progress

[spamy]

Starting Strength and the other similar programs are the best proof why "working only the big muscles and only with compounds and free weights" is inferior to a routine that incorporates also isolation and machines. That's of course, if we're talking only about building muscles, and not strength.

[ffguitarist14]

I did starting strength. Went from 155 to 210 eating like a horse and carried some fat before cutting down to 180 for my first bodybuilding show. Jokes on you OP, look at me now. I'm awesome!

[ahox]

Starting Strength and the other similar programs are the best proof why "working only the big muscles and only with compounds and free weights" is inferior to a routine that incorporates also isolation and machines. That's of course, if we're talking only about building muscles, and not strength.

this is true but just to be clear SS or any similar programs do not claim to add heaps of muscle to your frame or claim to be optimal for anything other than strength gain and athletic ability. It is called Starting STRENGTH for a reason. If you never trained in your life you could put on a decent amount of muscle here and there as you progress but you can't expect to use this program as a means of weight loss or absolute hypertrophy. Why this continues to go misunderstood blows my mind.

[Kiknskreem]

I agree, forgot to mention that I personally feel ready for a more bb focussed routine, have been doing SS for about 9 months now.

Check out the Texas Method.

Keep in minds its just a framework, you can do whatever set rep/schemes you want that fit within the volume, recovery, intensity framework. I'd start adding direct work for arms, calves, after performing the day's big lifts.

[biggestdog2007]

It wasnt the routine it was his diet. He could have easily gained muscle and strength and lost fat on a slight calorie deficit for at least the first 6 months, but he didnt know what he was doing. I have been in the same situation, he seems to have learned his lesson though.

[iLiketoLift898]

this is true but just to be clear SS or any similar programs do not claim to add heaps of muscle to your frame or claim to be optimal for anything other than strength gain and athletic ability. It is called Starting STRENGTH for a reason. If you never trained in your life you could put on a decent amount of muscle here and there as you progress but you can't expect to use this program as a means of weight loss or absolute hypertrophy. Why this continues to go misunderstood blows my mind.

Actually, Rippetoe has claimed that SS + GOMAD is more effetive than steroids for building muscle and strength for a novice. he said this during his argument with Lyle Mcdonald a couple of years ago about his trainee Zach who he claims gained an absurd amount of muscle in a very short time.

[Singularity7]

Lol at these ss callout threads.

"I got much stronger on starting strength; after my first year of training I could deadlift 400 lbs for a max compared to a measly 105 lbs that I was lifting for 5 reps in the beginning"
Hmmm almost looks like the novice strength program did what it was meant to do. Hmmm.

Also not the programs fault if you eat like chit.

[Kleurplaat]

ITT we live in an imaginary world where sets of 5 don't build muscle. While in this world we use people who are retarded and have no idea what they're doing as examples to bash things we don't like and people who ride bicycles as examples to nuthug things we do like.

k den

[BigMike373]

Those are some crap genetics . Muffin top of peace

[DatPass]

I love how so many people (including in this thread) bash SS yet have obviously never even read the book.... you *******s who read a 5 line copy of the routine are entirely missing the point.

Exactly the same thing happens with 5/3/1, every time i read a past where someone cries about how it does nothing for size i just laugh.... but who was multiple pages on assistance exercises?

[Chesso95]

bad genetics and burger king claims another victim

[jaimeruiz99]

actually, rippetoe has claimed that ss + gomad is more effetive than steroids for building muscle and strength for a novice. He said this during his argument with lyle mcdonald a couple of years ago about his trainee zach who he claims gained an absurd amount of muscle in a very short time.

lol.

[xMetalocalypse]

Strong man tits.

[berstare]

He obviously failed to incorporate muscle confusion into his functional fitness. That is why he failed.

[dizzay20]

lets blame starting strength for eating 2000 calories over maintenance a day.

[reyes12]

lets blame starting strength for eating 2000 calories over maintenance a day.

this.

you don't need to eat so much to gain strength and keep up with starting strength.


I only eat 400-500 over maintenance. and gain strength just fine.

[MHannibal]

This is bull****, if u are consistent you would make better results than he got by just doing pressups 3 times a week and cleaning up diet. What I'm saying is it's either bull**** or the guy does what most people do and don't commit, misses loads of training sessions and trains like a ***got OP

[PASR]

Brb training those tris before even knowing how to dead

[hbhorat]

not sure why SS constantly gets bashed and hated on when some fuker fuks up.
brb he got fat because he did SS

u wot m8?

Ran stronglifts 5x5 for 30 weeks (2 cycles, about 4 months between them)
Lifts-
Squat: 350lb
Bench - 200lb
Dead - 400lb

Not bad for my age/stats and training for a year. I loved stronglifts, taught me how to execute the big three with good form, seeing as how I'd be doing them so regularly. Especially squatting 3x a week.

But hey this is the misc, one kid fuks up a routine and let's just blame the routine for fuking him up. Obviously wasn't the kids fault right. must be the routine. smh.

[Acal83]

'Mirin his transformation now but to blame the initial flub on SS is pretty silly. Pretty common sense if you are built like a flabby woman you shouldnt blow by your maintenance calories by 2000. I used SS in college and had great results in the strength and size departments. You shouldn't use it forever but its simple which is important for beginners. Also anyone who was around the forums in 06-08 has to be lol'ing at this thread. SS used to be gospel and speaking ill of it was punishable by neg train.

[otakutrevan]

Everytime I see a natty bulk fail I just lol hard. Let me eat 5000 calories. Surely it'll all become muscle mass.

[JFlyers00]

What's everyone's opinion on All Pro's beginner routine?

[KennyWheels]

competed in first PL meet this past weekend, there was a team called starting strength, lets just say they did not look like this, in fact most of the competitors were on a a strength routine and had really nice physiques, men and women alike. Dunno why the hate for SS

[OskarF]

I wrote that article.

I have already commented on most of this at the starting strength forums, so check out that discussion there if you want.

All I want to say is that, I tried to recomp for the first 7 months with high protein and maintenance calories - nothing happened. Then I tried a clean bulk with a slight surplus and I stalled all the time. Finally, I added milk to my diet as advised for "hardgainers" and I was able to maintain LP and added tons of strength and fat.

Conclusion: I couldn't sustain linear progression on SS unless I ate like a cow. In my opinion SS is a poor beginner routine for skinny-fat people, because it requires a caloric surplus to sustain LP, and that will get you fat. I never said SS is bad for everyone.