A Giraffe Amongst Gorillas - Version 2.0

[psychodiver9]

No, no, Im just being firm in what I know.

A cycle or two, then you are right. However, in 18-24 months, it was boggle the mind what you can do with food, PROPER hydration and smart supplementing.

Have Thad describe what he saw with most of the guys builds there. I had someone as big as myself down to a 148 lifter. Ask him.

Then thing is, we will refind as we go. I ate for size and and only average 5-10 lbs a year to get to the target weight I had in mind to squat the weight i had set as a goal.

I didn't want to total 1,500, I wanted elite and then 2,400. So, I was never going to do that at master age, life time drug free at 250 lbs.

agree completely with this. i just enjoy the debate/discusion about the nutrition etc. definitley plan to follow along your log and advice more. i feel im in a similar boat at least in regards to height and trying to improve mass, size, physique, etc

[bmontgomery87]

My goals are to squat over 500, deadlift over 600, bench 350 (treefitty) and compete actively in strongman and PL.

If you guys think I can achieve these goals at 6' 6" tall and weigh under 300 pounds as a natural then you have me confused with a genetic freak of some sort.

we forget how tall you are sometimes I suppose.

Have fun training with Wade. Should be a fun week for you.

Also please get him bourbon drunk and have him do a youtube video for your log and all of us skinny *******s who are telling you to not get fat.

[NC_Tarheel]

we forget how tall you are sometimes I suppose.

Have fun training with Wade. Should be a fun week for you.

Also please get him bourbon drunk and have him do a youtube video for your log and all of us skinny *******s who are telling you to not get fat.

Ha ha ha ha ha

[MakeGoBoom]

<<< will squat over 5 hundred with abs, well semi abs. it will happen

[Marshall28]

squats over 500 crew...No abs tho

[thom2355]

You didn't really disagree that hard if you only revised a lil bit.

And maybe I'm biased, but I don't think thadley needs to be 300 to total 1300-1400. 299 ftw?

Gaining only a certain amount restricts calories. I assumed Chris meant small excess in regards to maintenance to achieve weight gain via 3DMJ thinking. Fine for bodybuilding, not for strength sports IMO.

I'm somewhat on board with what you're saying here. At some level, you don't know what the extra calories may get you - maybe let's say another 300-400 calories then what you really need to keep "gaining" weight will also fuel you to be able to do that much more work in the gym and recover in a fashion such that you're not really gaining any "extra" weight.

My main point is that there is definitely a point where those extra calories aren't needed/aren't doing anything for you other than just putting weight on.

Right, but that level can also change week by week. Your training has different phases. During a high volume phase, you may burn more calories than with your high intensity. You need to be able to plan for these things and maintain in a bit of excess. I would rather eat in a lot of excess, then clean up occasionally....or better yet, back down a tad and let it level out.

Thad and I spoke directly about this as he was at the Ogre Compound in person this morning.

I hear what everyone is saying...let's take it from another 300 lb'er about what I'm after here. And this will most likely help explain the "cut" for each meet. It's not weighing 300 to get him to 1,300 that I'm after. His training would indicate that he was/is good for 1,300 at 275. What I'm after is to get him to a good working weight and then keep refining that weight. I'm thinking down the road. Like in one of the posts, I showed the math to 1,400...doesn't seem too far off. Now, if I can keep his body weight in the 308-320 range over the next 24 months, he's going to change his muscular weight profile, no doubt and, that will be great leverage at his height. I think he would tell you that at 4" shorter than he is, I'm more physically imposing. That's what I need for him. The leverages gained in a 18-24 month period will far exceed a 1,300 total. I'm thinking 1,500+. Each cycle as he gets his weight to 315-320 and then cuts to make 308, I'm betting we see a bigger and more heavily muscled lifter. 1,300 is only a goal for now...

Yes. This backs up some thinking of mine. Gaining weight isn't for the next total, it is for the one after that.

My whole thing is this (and we touched on this today Wade). Wade is my coach. He thinks, I execute. Period.

Yay!

My goals are to squat over 500, deadlift over 600, bench 350 (treefitty) and compete actively in strongman and PL.

If you guys think I can achieve these goals at 6' 6" tall and weigh under 300 pounds as a natural then you have me confused with a genetic freak of some sort.

Correct.

squats over 500 crew...No abs tho

Squatted 500 and thought I had abs but it was really a shadow crew

99% of all men who train in powerlifting or strongman will never get to that point. Take a stab at being 6'1" and 300 pounds and tell me how you feel partner. I'm not talking a fat ass 300 pound man cuz that would get you nowhere. I'm talkin bout say 25% bf and 300 pounds at your height. The blood pressure alone is enough to make you wanna give up at times.

Getting to 300 lbs sucked, getting to 325 sucked worse. If levels out after you get use to it though.

Blood pressure sucks. Cutting way back on drinking and hydrating a bit in excess helps.

[FrmrHoss]

Right, but that level can also change week by week. Your training has different phases. During a high volume phase, you may burn more calories than with your high intensity. You need to be able to plan for these things and maintain in a bit of excess. I would rather eat in a lot of excess, then clean up occasionally....or better yet, back down a tad and let it level out.

That's a fair point. My caloric requirements now that I am not squatting/deadlifting 3-4x per week with this bum hip have gone WAYYYYY down.

[izzygrant]

This thread makes me want to go 84+

[bigwade800]

at your height, do it lil missy

[bigwade800]

Thad...I'll ask. Tell me more about the 148# lifter.

Wade...more about the celery seed extract please.

148 lifter is Chris Fry

Raw lifter...squatted mid 300's, benched 275 and pulled close to 4...in a meet. He declined 265x6 this morning and has done around 300x6.

[MakeGoBoom]

at your height, do it lil missy

I will... oh wait


Impressive numbers out of the 148 guy. I can't remember his name but that black dude they call the ant is super impressive. Think he's squatting 500+

[thom2355]

I will... oh wait


Impressive numbers out of the 148 guy. I can't remember his name but that black dude they call the ant is super impressive. Think he's squatting 500+

Richard Hawthorne....yeah, he kinda strong (understatement)

[csday924]

Where is the lifting at?

[NC_Tarheel]

Where is the lifting at?

I just had a meet on Saturday so I didn't do much today. Just hit decline sets at 275-285-265. Then hit some accessory and shot the sh¡t with Wade for a while.

Tomorrow will be better. Gonna get after some block pulls.

[psychodiver9]

Squats under 400 without abs

[Anthony21]

Wade what do you think an ideal weight for me would be seeing as we're talking weight ITT.

[thom2355]

Tomorrow will be better. Gonna get after some block pulls.

Complete my deadlift challenge *******.

[izzygrant]

at your height, do it lil missy

hmmmm

I doubt I can fill out the super heavies yet, at least not without getting very sloppy. but the plan after my February meet is to get well into 84 and go from there. building is sooo slow when you're female; all of you whiners just think about that, you're lucky

My goals are to squat over 500, deadlift over 600, bench 350 (treefitty) and compete actively in strongman and PL.

If you guys think I can achieve these goals at 6' 6" tall and weigh under 300 pounds as a natural then you have me confused with a genetic freak of some sort.

no just regular freak or possibly circus freak, mr. no-hands squat

[MakeGoBoom]

Richard Hawthorne....yeah, he kinda strong (understatement)

yeah, it slipped my mind. dudes an animal

[NC_Tarheel]

no just regular freak or possibly circus freak, mr. no-hands squat

Ha ha ha ha. It's amazing what you can do when you're stuck in purgatory with 405 pounds on your back.

Complete my deadlift challenge *******.

okaymaybe.jpeg

[bmontgomery87]

Richard Hawthorne....yeah, he kinda strong (understatement)

I think I saw a vid of him pulling 600ish for reps a while back.
crazy

[runtocatch]

My goals are to squat over 500, deadlift over 600, bench 350 (treefitty) and compete actively in strongman and PL.

If you guys think I can achieve these goals at 6' 6" tall and weigh under 300 pounds as a natural then you have me confused with a genetic freak of some sort.

I think you could pull 600 under 300 and that's me being honest. The bench I'm not so sure about and the squat there aint no way this side of hell.

[runtocatch]

This thread makes me want to go 84+

Do it *******!

[Black_Spit]

Is it cold enough for you here in the Music City for you Thad?

[NC_Tarheel]

Is it cold enough for you here in the Music City for you Thad?

Walking around downtown last night was no joke!!

[NC_Tarheel]

Highlights from today. Wade has the vids....

FRONT SQUAT
325 x 1

TRAP BAR
615 x 1
(40 pound PR, ho hum )

BLOCK PULLS
405 x 5
430 x 5
460 x 5
490 x 5
520 x 5

DEADS
315
365
405
455

Done. Low back was/is FRIED

[austin.j.taylor]

So the guy who is 6-6 is finally realizing that he cant weigh 240 and total 1400+?


This is my shocked face

[NC_Tarheel]

So the guy who is 6-6 is finally realizing that he cant weigh 240 and total 1400+?


This is my shocked face

Do you even lift *******?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?




Miss you brah

[Marshall28]

Can you share the benefit from Trap bar pulling? I don't see to many PL use this. Just looking to see if I am missing something in my own training.

[bigwade800]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woamWqkZll4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zNDgH03Njs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbA6KjNhLNw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUMVPBhtCWQ