Fathead documentary- Insulin

[jon4w]

I thought I had this fat loss thing all figured out. Calorie deficit, min protein and fat targets hit=fat loss.

The documentary 'Fathead' contains some contradicting opinions from some pretty well respected professionals in the nutrition industry. Apparently, a deficit is not enough if we are eating too many carbs per day due to the effect on insulin?

Is this true? Because if so, it kind of blows all of the stickies on this forum out of the water.

[sourmash1973]

No it's not true. I don't listen to the so called "experts", I listen to my body. I eat plenty of carbs everyday and even more on the weekends. Look at my sig and tell me the "experts" are right.

[ademyster]

No it's not true. I don't listen to the so called "experts", I listen to my body. I eat plenty of carbs everyday and even more on the weekends. Look at my sig and tell me the "experts" are right.

This^^^ repped

[snorkelman]

[sourmash1973]

Love this!

[matman1813]

There are plenty of guys on here who cut on 400-500g of carbs. The anti-carb stuff is nonsense.

[RevolutionFF]

The top 5 of my top 10 commandments for fat loss would be:

1-5: Create a calorie deficit

Beyond that types/timings of foods based on your individual make up and lifestyle will dictate things like energy (for workouts and everyday tasks), hunger, cravings, recovery, mood etc.

Sure, lower carb will suit some people better, but Mr. Insulin is getting a very bad rap recently.

[crupiea]

he doesnt cut all the carbs out of his diet.

here is his food log.

The main problem i think is that everything is just about made up of carbs so they are super easy to eat.

It is not uncommon for someone to have 90% of their diet be carbs.

Limit those to a decent amount and you will benefit.

http://fathead-movie.com/content/MyFoodLog.htm

[jon4w]

he doesnt cut all the carbs out of his diet.

here is his food log.

The main problem i think is that everything is just about made up of carbs so they are super easy to eat.

It is not uncommon for someone to have 90% of their diet be carbs.

Limit those to a decent amount and you will benefit.

benefit how? And why?

This is where the confusion comes from.

A portion of the bodybuilding community will say cut down on carbs when cutting, and a portion says that carb intake has no effect on fat loss at all. I would like to think that I can eat as many carbs as I feel like when cutting, but there is so much different information out there that tells me otherwise.

[sourmash1973]

benefit how? And why?

This is where the confusion comes from.

A portion of the bodybuilding community will say cut down on carbs when cutting, and a portion says that carb intake has no effect on fat loss at all. I would like to think that I can eat as many carbs as I feel like when cutting, but there is so much different information out there that tells me otherwise.

My belief (because it is working for me) is that, if you have your protein and fat in check, the rest you fill in with carbs. As long as you are in your deficit for the day, it doesn't matter how many carbs.

[Serpentarius]

Everyone is now aware protein raises insulin a lot more than carbs. Where is your god now?

[matman1813]

benefit how? And why?

This is where the confusion comes from.

A portion of the bodybuilding community will say cut down on carbs when cutting, and a portion says that carb intake has no effect on fat loss at all. I would like to think that I can eat as many carbs as I feel like when cutting, but there is so much different information out there that tells me otherwise.

People say to cut carbs because carbs are your most flexible macro, your protein and fat values are requirements, you need them, you do not need carbs. You will lose weight because you cut calories, they just happened to come from carbs.

[AncientYouth]

Most of these 'experts' are fat fuarks

[skyjumper]

So I have not watched the video, but what I have read indicates that its just a little more complex. What do you guys think about the whole low vs high glycemic scale thing? The idea being simple carbs are quickly absorbed and can spike your insulin while complex carbs are more slowly absorbed and better handled by the body overall? There seems to be some logic to that, and on this board we often talk about carbs not being evil (and I agree with that) but we don't so often talk about how to select those carbs...

[Serpentarius]

Most of these 'experts' are fat fuarks

I always get a kick out of that. Keep in mind the biggest/leanest guy shouldnt always be trusted but its hilarious how most overweight "professionals" are the authority on this stuff lmao.

[jon4w]

I always get a kick out of that. Keep in mind the biggest/leanest guy shouldnt always be trusted but its hilarious how most overweight "professionals" are the authority on this stuff lmao.

I dont really agree with this. Jose Mourinho is arguably the worlds greatest football (soccer) manager, and has never kicked a ball in his life. Of course, when it comes to the human body, doctors are going to be the authority, regardless of physique.

[matman1813]

I dont really agree with this. Jose Mourinho is arguably the worlds greatest football (soccer) manager, and has never kicked a ball in his life. Of course, when it comes to the human body, doctors are going to be the authority, regardless of physique.

Doctors will say whatever the people paying their wages tell them to say. Why do you think there are so many conflicting opinions out there. People want something else to blame other than their own gluttony for their obesity problem, as such, the finger will always be pointing somewhere. In the past it was dietary fat, now its carbs, who knows what next?

Carbs are not responsible for weight gain, excess calories are, no matter where they come from.

[MrM27]

So I have not watched the video, but what I have read indicates that its just a little more complex. What do you guys think about the whole low vs high glycemic scale thing? The idea being simple carbs are quickly absorbed and can spike your insulin while complex carbs are more slowly absorbed and better handled by the body overall? There seems to be some logic to that, and on this board we often talk about carbs not being evil (and I agree with that) but we don't so often talk about how to select those carbs...

The issue with the GI index is that it represents when the carb is the only source ingested. When is the last time many of us sat down and ate just a bowl of brown rice or just a plain white potato. When you introduce fat and protein into the equation it changes the game.

[AncientYouth]

these muppets cant explain the kitavans a race of people who get 90% of their calories from carbs but are as lean as a razor with no diabetes heart disease etc

guess what they don't over eat and they move quite a lot funny that

[AncientYouth]

http://anthonycolpo.com/

great site , superbly argued and very entertaining to boot based on REAL science

put all these no carbs fools firmly in their place

[snorkelman]

I always get a kick out of that. Keep in mind the biggest/leanest guy shouldnt always be trusted but its hilarious how most overweight "professionals" are the authority on this stuff lmao.

How about Dave Tate's advice about lifting and proper form? All those years that he looked like this:



Was his advice somehow less accurate than when he gave the same advice when he looked like this:



Everyone has different goals and may have unknown issues impacting their current physique, which does not necessarily impact the accuracy of their knowledge. How about certain posters who refuse to post avatars yet give spot on advice consistently (such as in10city)?

[Serpentarius]

How about Dave Tate's advice about lifting and proper form? All those years that he looked like this:

Was his advice somehow less accurate than when he gave the same advice when he looked like this:



Everyone has different goals and may have unknown issues impacting their current physique, which does not necessarily impact the accuracy of their knowledge. How about certain posters who refuse to post avatars yet give spot on advice consistently (such as in10city)?

Yes, nobody gives a **** when you are fat, it demonstrates you clearly dont care about how you look. There is acceptable "im bulking" fat, then "im a fat powerlifter with no self control"

Nobody cares about how much you lift when you have to do a 300 lb bodyweight squat just to get out of bed. Its not about "goals", its about balance of everything.


All i see is the two pics:

fatty mcfatfat who doesnt lift

lean guy who cares about his physique and lifts

[Waziristan]

If this were true then every type 1 diabetic out there would be a complete fat ass.