My daughters personal trainer verified info from here - stuff I didn't believe in

[KyleAaron]

Illegal in Australia to give out dietry advice as a pt unless you are a dietician but we can discuss calories and macros but can't suggest what food a client can eat.

It's not illegal, it's just outside our scope of practice, which means that if we do it then if it all fcks up and we get sued, we'll probably lose our court case and our insurance won't protect us.

We can't give meal plans, but can give general guidelines. And stuff like "stop smoking, drink less booze, eat less junk food, more fresh fruit and vegies" is well within our scope of practice and will get the typical previously sedentary lemonade-chugging client 80% of the way towards even the most ambitious goals.

[respawn]

I did my PT quals recently too and had to bite my tongue big time. So much mis-information circulating. Rest of the course was very good.

Keep in mind the reason why its like this. well most of it anyways.

The teachings cant just be updated with the latest research each week. I still think its taught that saturated fats were bad for example as it was in mine. This is needed until the education departments accepts it as a fact and updates course holders. Lots of testing has to be done to change it in case it conflicts with something else like a medical condition someone may have. If they changed it now and people started to consume lots of saturated fats thinking its healthy. Sure 99% will benefit from it but if there is 1 person that has a medical condition that it does not agree with for example then they can sue big health departments because they were told it was good for them. They have to do testing to make sure this doesn't happen.

another example. If you had a client and you disregarded all the information in texts books and went by what people on here say is correct which most likely is correct. But your client was injured or made sick. then you are at fault for this. They look at what you told them and if its not in accordance with what you were taught then you plane and simple gave wrong advice according to what is accepted to be correct internationally.

This is why you find not many qualified people here will actually give workout programs, diet plans and are or should be careful with their wording. If I tell people something that is not In Accordance With (IAW) what is accepted and educated then they can be prosecuted. when you done your courses look at how all the science it written as well. "studies have shown this reacted best with this or had the most positive effect" there is always room for alternative answers in the science you read.

[respawn]

It's not illegal, it's just outside our scope of practice, which means that if we do it then if it all fcks up and we get sued, we'll probably lose our court case and our insurance won't protect us.

We can't give meal plans, but can give general guidelines. And stuff like "stop smoking, drink less booze, eat less junk food, more fresh fruit and vegies" is well within our scope of practice and will get the typical previously sedentary lemonade-chugging client 80% of the way towards even the most ambitious goals.

Correct its just general information that is basically known anyways. dont have to be a PT to know that eating veggies is better then junk food or smoking and drinking is bad.

[44aussie]

It's not illegal, it's just outside our scope of practice, which means that if we do it then if it all fcks up and we get sued, we'll probably lose our court case and our insurance won't protect us.

We can't give meal plans, but can give general guidelines. And stuff like "stop smoking, drink less booze, eat less junk food, more fresh fruit and vegies" is well within our scope of practice and will get the typical previously sedentary lemonade-chugging client 80% of the way towards even the most ambitious goals.

Yes i could have worded that slightly better we can mention to look at better choices but we can't specifically talk about food intake.

[Follix]

When I was at gym 2 weeks ago I heard a conversation between a PT and a guy who was looking to lift and lose weight.

I heard so much broscience there: ''you got eat at least 30g of proteins in the morning'' but also a lot of mention about meal timing and carbs intake... Little to no information on the importance of caloric deficit or dietary fat intake... Poor guy.

[Ghosting]

Yeah, I thought I read that he's the only one that goes on and on about metabolic damage but that metabolic damage isn't all that easy to achieve. I'm not sure though as I haven't made time to read up on that sort of thing as It won't apply to me.

. Now that you mention it, I have never heard a single person mention it besides him. His fancy way of saying depressed/slow/wrecked metabolism from a huge deficit caused by diet and/or long LISS?

[Ghosting]

Lose weight too fast through too much cardio and diet deficient like the biggest loser contestants and your BMR does not have time to adjust meaning the weight loss is less likely to be permanent and very hard to keep off.

Makes for good TV but I agree. Weight loss should be slow.

[DatMurse]

personal trainers are not nutritionists and are not allowed by law to give nutrition plans or diets. just give very basic advice.

what is your daughters TDEE and how much did she say she was eating for the trainer to say this?

they cant? according to what? I never heard of this.

nutritionist is not a protected title.

I can call myself a nutritionist

[respawn]

they cant? according to what? I never heard of this.

nutritionist is not a protected title.

I can call myself a nutritionist

really? what qualification do you have?

I have done 2 qualifications. sports nutrition and a certificate in nutrition and diet. there is a university degree for nutrition which qualifies you.

[Domicron]

Makes for good TV but I agree. Weight loss should be slow.

i think it depends. i think that for people with morbid obesity the goal is to lose weight fast and then develop the eating and lifestyle habits to stay on a reduced calorie diet.

really? what qualification do you have?

I have done 2 qualifications. sports nutrition and a certificate in nutrition and diet. there is a university degree for nutrition which qualifies you.

i believe Murse was speaking hypothetically; that he does not refer to himself as a nutritionist but could if he was so inclined because no degree or certificate is required to do so.

[respawn]

i think it depends. i think that for people with morbid obesity the goal is to lose weight fast and then develop the eating and lifestyle habits to stay on a reduced calorie diet.



i believe Murse was speaking hypothetically; that he does not refer to himself as a nutritionist but could if he was so inclined because no degree or certificate is required to do so.

but being a certified nutritionalist is a university degree. had one in the military and have a friend doing it now

[MrBillson]

they cant? according to what? I never heard of this.

nutritionist is not a protected title.

I can call myself a nutritionist

Nutritional adviser is an unprotected title.

Nutritionist is not.

[DatMurse]

really? what qualification do you have?

I have done 2 qualifications. sports nutrition and a certificate in nutrition and diet. there is a university degree for nutrition which qualifies you.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/michaele...c-association/

It doesnt matter.

other sites that have mentioned it.
http://eatrightdc.org/dietitian-vs-nutritionist/
http://health.usnews.com/health-news...ir-diet-advice


http://cynthiasass.com/about/nutriti...dietitian.html
this was is from an RD posting
There is a degree for nutrition, there is nothing that qualifies you to be legally, a nutritionist. You can be certified.

[pwnstarz]

Each day I move farther away from my "incorrect" views on nutrition and the human body.

My daughter met with her personal trainer today for the 1st time with one goal - lose weight and gain strength and muscle definition. She does need a PT for motivational purposes - she needs someone to kick her in the a$$, and I can't do that on the phone. She has tried and tried again on her own to get a routine going, but hasn't been able to.

When they got to nutrition, he told her things that I didn't think were true until I found this forum (remember I came from that lose weight do cardio less fat blah blah blah world). These are a few quotes my daughter said her trainer told her and that I've learned quickly are key:

You're not eating enough. You're messing up your metabolism be eating too few calories.
Cheat meals - do them. Tricks the body, and also teaches you that most foods you thought were bad aren't - you won't die or be effected by them (of course, moderation).
Having muscle will help you burn more fat than all that cardio you were trying to do. Muscle burns fat.

And to think I though I was heading in the right direction for the past 30 years. I mean, I was to a point as I have great cardio endurance and am lean. But I was working too hard at eating less and cardio more. In my case, 9 weeks into body building and I've put on about 4 pounds eating probably around 500-600 calories more per day than I was in those cardio days. Amazing what you can learn if you open you eyes.

I count three goals, this thread is stupid. Good luck.

[respawn]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/michaele...c-association/

It doesnt matter.

other sites that have mentioned it.
http://eatrightdc.org/dietitian-vs-nutritionist/
http://health.usnews.com/health-news...ir-diet-advice


http://cynthiasass.com/about/nutriti...dietitian.html
this was is from an RD posting
There is a degree for nutrition, there is nothing that qualifies you to be legally, a nutritionist. You can be certified.

Well in that case I am a fully qualified nutritionalist with two qualifications with two qualifications besides PT

However I would never call myself one. why? Because I believe telling people you are a nutritionalist is giving them the impression that you are an expert in something your not an expert in. Like "I am a Mediator of domestic affairs officer" AKA Stay At Home Mum. Or like a handyman telling people he is a carpenter, brick layer because he knows a little but is only a handyman.

Point remains a PT can only give out information he is qualified in or risk being sued. and over the internet if he or she does this without the proper procedure, you still can get sued.

[metalmancpa]

I count three goals, this thread is stupid. Good luck.

And you responded to this stupid thread. Just saying. Good luck to you.

[InItForFitness]

I count three goals, this thread is stupid. Good luck.

Reading comprehension not even once.
I don't think it's the thread that's stupid here...

[cumminslifter]

Oh I had a good chuckle. Unfortunately everyone else in the room was just blindly agreeing with him.

I think the short nutrition part of that course may have been the most frustrating thing I have ever had to endure.

you no idea what i go through in my classes

[MrBillson]

you no idea what i go through in my classes

What are you studying?

[Domicron]

you no idea what i go through in my classes

You grammar much? J/k dude cottage cheese.

Seriously though with nutritionists I feel the work needs to start in schools. Other than maybe a week in biology I can't remember learning anything about nutrition in school. Between the cafeteria and the classroom the opportunity is there to really educate people early so they won't be so reluctant to believe people about saturated fats, eggs, etc when they get older and have to pay more attention to their health

[cumminslifter]

What are you studying?

going to school for nutrition science

[Guydreambody]

Each day I move farther away from my "incorrect" views on nutrition and the human body.

My daughter met with her personal trainer today for the 1st time with one goal - lose weight and gain strength and muscle definition. She does need a PT for motivational purposes - she needs someone to kick her in the a$$, and I can't do that on the phone. She has tried and tried again on her own to get a routine going, but hasn't been able to.

When they got to nutrition, he told her things that I didn't think were true until I found this forum (remember I came from that lose weight do cardio less fat blah blah blah world). These are a few quotes my daughter said her trainer told her and that I've learned quickly are key:

You're not eating enough. You're messing up your metabolism be eating too few calories.
Cheat meals - do them. Tricks the body, and also teaches you that most foods you thought were bad aren't - you won't die or be effected by them (of course, moderation).
Having muscle will help you burn more fat than all that cardio you were trying to do. Muscle burns fat.

And to think I though I was heading in the right direction for the past 30 years. I mean, I was to a point as I have great cardio endurance and am lean. But I was working too hard at eating less and cardio more. In my case, 9 weeks into body building and I've put on about 4 pounds eating probably around 500-600 calories more per day than I was in those cardio days. Amazing what you can learn if you open you eyes.

Stop listening to the trainer...its for her own good. I followed everything on this forum and benefitted.

[rhadam]

going to school for nutrition science

[cumminslifter]

you like? lol

[MNTiburon]

On Day #1 here, I thought you were all clueless muscle heads who stared in the mirror flexing (OK, not really) who ate anything they wanted and I was the "expert" because I was lean and mean.

If I put the lean world on one end of a pendulum and body building on the other, I now believe the pendulum of truth with nutrition as an overall physical and mental approach to ones self is healthier on the body building side.

Minus the whole steroids thing

[InItForFitness]

going to school for nutrition science

you no idea what i go through in my classes

Clearly it's not an English major you're pursuing.

Do you even spell check bro?

[DatMurse]

Well in that case I am a fully qualified nutritionalist with two qualifications with two qualifications besides PT

However I would never call myself one. why? Because I believe telling people you are a nutritionalist is giving them the impression that you are an expert in something your not an expert in. Like "I am a Mediator of domestic affairs officer" AKA Stay At Home Mum. Or like a handyman telling people he is a carpenter, brick layer because he knows a little but is only a handyman.

Point remains a PT can only give out information he is qualified in or risk being sued. and over the internet if he or she does this without the proper procedure, you still can get sued.

You mean certified?
I know it pisses me off with this ****, there are plenty of people who abuse the title. It means nothing.


I have never heard of a PT being sued for such a thing.

All of these morons who read internet articles are self proclaimed nutritionists. Now if you become an RD, thats a different story.

[DatMurse]

Clearly it's not an English major you're pursuing.

Do you even spell check bro?

english degrees are for chumps. Opinionated subject that can SMD.

I am the kid who sucked at english and excelled at math and science.

[rhadam]

you like? lol

I do the same thing. focus on bio/physio/nutrition.

[MrBillson]

going to school for nutrition science

I am hoping to undertake a degree in nutritional science in the next few years. Just trying to build a good enough university application.