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    Should I Take Anti Estrogen With Anabolic Freak

    Hey guys I just started taking Anabolic Freak:
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    It has 50mg resveratrol per day for anti estrogen effects but I was wondering if this alone is powerful enough to counter the estrogen boost of DAA or if I should add something else like DIM or another anti-e product. Cheers!
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    Depending on your test levels, new studies are pointing to DAA being useless to people who have average or high test levels, only helping those with lower test levels. Just an fyi. But I think you should be fine to answer your question. Most people either aren't aware of the estrogen boost, or don't take anything for anti-estrogen so I wouldn't be too worried. You won't be growing a pair of C cups anytime soon.
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    Originally Posted by AMeyer9 View Post
    Depending on your test levels, new studies are pointing to DAA being useless to people who have average or high test levels, only helping those with lower test levels. Just an fyi. But I think you should be fine to answer your question. Most people either aren't aware of the estrogen boost, or don't take anything for anti-estrogen so I wouldn't be too worried. You won't be growing a pair of C cups anytime soon.
    Thanks man, yea my test levels came back below average on my blood test both free and total so thats why I'm taking this... hopefully it'll help I was just worried about people saying that it boosted estrogen as much as it did testosterone :P
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    If you're really worried about it there's an anti-estrogen section in the store: http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/anti-estrogen.htm
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    Originally Posted by AMeyer9 View Post
    If you're really worried about it there's an anti-estrogen section in the store: http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/anti-estrogen.htm
    thx!
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    If you're only 18 you really should not be messing with supplements meant to manipulate hormones at all. Wait a few years.
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    Originally Posted by mtpaquette View Post
    If you're only 18 you really should not be messing with supplements meant to manipulate hormones at all. Wait a few years.
    lol this OP. I didn't pay attention to that.
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    ya i agree. i took test boosters and all that crap way too early. def had way negative side effects. learn from someone who's been there.
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    Originally Posted by Jziggy44 View Post
    ya i agree. i took test boosters and all that crap way too early. def had way negative side effects. learn from someone who's been there.
    What "negative" side effects from a natty T booster?
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    Originally Posted by Mohlentank View Post
    What "negative" side effects from a natty T booster?
    wasnt from whatever brand he's speaking off but i meant test booster in general

    sore/stiff joints, skin dryness, numbness, and sadly my baby shrunk
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    Originally Posted by Jziggy44 View Post
    wasnt from whatever brand he's speaking off but i meant test booster in general

    sore/stiff joints, skin dryness, numbness, and sadly my baby shrunk
    Sore joints and skin dryness can happen from blocking your estrogen for too long. The numbness and "shrinkage" I've never heard of coming from a natty test boost..
    I've taken Cellucors P6 about 5 times in the past 16 months and the only "negative" side effect was a little more joint soreness which like I said just comes from lower estrogen.
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    i never heard of it either, but its the only thing that changed in my routine. like i said i took it probably too young when i didnt need it could have had something to do with it
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    Originally Posted by Jziggy44 View Post
    i never heard of it either, but its the only thing that changed in my routine. like i said i took it probably too young when i didnt need it could have had something to do with it
    What were you taking?
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    Originally Posted by sep1995 View Post
    Hey guys I just started taking Anabolic Freak:

    It has 50mg resveratrol per day for anti estrogen effects but I was wondering if this alone is powerful enough to counter the estrogen boost of DAA or if I should add something else like DIM or another anti-e product. Cheers!
    In regards to this, the estrogen effect you'll get from a natty T booster is very very minimal so you really don't need an estrogen block. Resveratrol is pretty strong even in a lose dose so you're not going to need anything extra.
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    Test boosters can't increase you T levels above what they naturally are able to produce. If they did then they would be synthetic enzymes such as steroids or pro hormones. Therefor there is not a need for estrogen blockers with it. Your T levels can't raise high enough fast enough or lower quick enough to be out of sync with your estrogen levels.
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    Originally Posted by Jziggy44 View Post
    wasnt from whatever brand he's speaking off but i meant test booster in general

    sore/stiff joints, skin dryness, numbness, and sadly my baby shrunk
    Those are very unusual side effects

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    Sore joints and skin dryness can happen from blocking your estrogen for too long. The numbness and "shrinkage" I've never heard of coming from a natty test boost..
    I've taken Cellucors P6 about 5 times in the past 16 months and the only "negative" side effect was a little more joint soreness which like I said just comes from lower estrogen.
    Except nothing in P6 lowers estrogen. In fact, it probably raises estrogen secondary to elevated T
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    Originally Posted by kickinchicken View Post
    Test boosters can't increase you T levels above what they naturally are able to produce. If they did then they would be synthetic enzymes such as steroids or pro hormones. Therefor there is not a need for estrogen blockers with it. Your T levels can't raise high enough fast enough or lower quick enough to be out of sync with your estrogen levels.
    That is the point of blocking estrogen in theory. In order to elevate the T:E ratio, rather than keeping it constant, an AI can help
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    Originally Posted by Mr.Cooper69 View Post
    Except nothing in P6 lowers estrogen. In fact, it probably raises estrogen secondary to elevated T
    Black cohosh is supposed to help lower estrogen. Also why it is recommended for women experiencing menopause
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    Originally Posted by Mohlentank View Post
    Black cohosh is supposed to help lower estrogen. Also why it is recommended for women experiencing menopause
    You do the math
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    Hey OP. I agree with many here. If you are only 18, your hormones have not even peaked yet. At the same time, I have also had some friends of mine score low testosterone at age 18 and remained low into their 20s (as an actual problem). If this is the case with you, based on your blood tests, then a natural test product makes sense.


    In terms of anti-estrogen, the resveratrol ingredient is very effective. If blood tests come back and you need to further suppress estrogen, then I'd recommend Acacetin (with clinical backing for anti-estrogen effects) OR Diindolylmethane (DIM). Acacetin will work to decrease estrogen production, and DIM will work to regulate your hormones and supply the body with more beneficial estrogen metabolites, and less of the non-beneficial metabolites.

    Again, you should be fine with the resveratrol in that test booster (Test Freak), BUT should you seek lower estrogen then the above ingredients will really help you out.


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