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Thread: Back thickness of peace
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11-01-2013, 09:59 AM #61
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11-01-2013, 10:02 AM #62
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11-01-2013, 10:18 AM #63
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11-01-2013, 10:18 AM #64
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11-01-2013, 10:56 AM #65
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11-01-2013, 11:00 AM #66
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11-01-2013, 11:10 AM #67
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11-01-2013, 11:20 AM #68
Not really, I mean ok he's obviously not wide, but neither is his waist.
Just because somebody is wide doesn't mean they have a great structure if you couple that with a wide waist.
The best structures on stage would probably be: 1.Ramy/Wolf with Cedric being VERY close to them. The rest of them aren't all that great in that they're usually coupling wide clavicles with wide waists or narrow clavicles with a narrow waist.
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11-01-2013, 11:21 AM #69
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11-01-2013, 11:23 AM #70
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11-01-2013, 11:36 AM #71
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11-01-2013, 11:52 AM #72
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Jay's waist is wide. Lots of people have better structure than him even if he's got overall width on people.
Phil's got good structure, but not the best of the top 5. He makes up for it with conditioning and super round muscle bellies along with size that holds its own against the big guys.
And Essa's conditioning didn't seem to be as good as in previous showings. As for Essa's structure - he looks good in that shot but totally loses to the top guys in the front double and back double.
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11-01-2013, 12:11 PM #73
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11-01-2013, 12:13 PM #74
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11-01-2013, 12:24 PM #75
Sure he gets exposed, like ALL of them do. Cedric is probably the most complete one there as far as having great muscle maturity/flow/separation/size/aesthetics (no gut) and decent conditioning, but he gets no love. I would put Ramy up there, but he looks more like a blowup doll and obviously lacks maturity and the "look" of being polished that Cedric has.
I wouldn't call that structure as much as I would call it muscle insertions.
His abs have gotten blurred in recent years, I'm sure you and I could postulate as to why.
His thighs are actually unreal as far as size and even separation goes, it's just Phil really does do some awkward poses (really accentuated when that guy made that dancing gif of his FLS) that cost him. IMO though on pure muscle insertions (not frame), he is EASILY top 3 of all time because he really lacks nothing, he even has fantastic calves.
If he had wide(r) clavicles, it wouldn't even be a contest, but all of them have flaws. What irks me is the lack of consistency for why one flaw matters more than others, i.e everyone harps on Wolf's dead calf, but WTF can he do about it? At the same time, Branch beat him at the AC with how many dead body parts?
If we just had consistency within the decisions and standards, it'd all be good.
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11-01-2013, 12:38 PM #76
See spamy's post above you.
All of them do, indeed. Although, not negatively. For example;
Phil is standing alone - Looks great, you don't notice the width too much.
Kai/Wolf is standing alone - Looks great, big, wide.
Now you put Phil next to Kai/Wolf - Wow, Kai/Wolf is wide as f*ck! or Wow, Phil is narrow as f*ck!
It goes only in one way even if you put it from 2 different perspectives.
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11-01-2013, 12:51 PM #77
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11-01-2013, 12:56 PM #78
That's your personal preference, I understand that, we're all looking at one picture but analysing it from so many different angles based on our own ideal of what that pose should look like/represent.
For my personal preference, I see that Phil lacks the back thickness Kai has in RLS because I'm focusing on the width and lats.
A strange way to put it would be as if Kai had a thick jet pack attached on his back, that's how thick it is, not to mention wide too.
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11-01-2013, 12:59 PM #79
What I personally focus on would be the detail of the lats and the thickness down the middle. Of course Heath is going to be narrower, I'm not sure if that's something you can knock him on since I don't even think it's anatomically possible to develop your lats wider than your clavicles.
In other shots, Kai definitely looks "thicker," but these aren't usually stage shots or at least of the mandatories, so it would beg the question of how much that should be judged. Just as much as how much should width be judged, how much should detail be judged and how much should each individual body parts be judged?
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11-01-2013, 01:00 PM #80
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11-01-2013, 01:06 PM #81
Unfortunately, as hard as it is, you have to deal with your genetics. A physique is a physique, regardless of what's been through it, it shouldn't go further on past this point. If him being narrow makes Kai look better, so be it.
The question is indeed, ''how much''. I guess it's impossible to measure. A more exaggerated example that started a sh*tstorm a while back.
The detail and flow Flex has or the thickness + detail Ronnie has.
The answer would come down to ''overwhelming''. Is ''x'' overwhelming ''y''. That would be the ''how much'' answer to the question, I believe.
Note: In no way am I saying that Flex's BDB is better Coleman.
Also, speaking about structure.
Probably one of the best structures in the IFBB atm.
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11-01-2013, 01:10 PM #82
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11-01-2013, 01:13 PM #83
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11-01-2013, 01:15 PM #84
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Most of you chumps are Canadian or live in some bum phuck part of the country and have never been within 1,000 miles of an actual IFBB Pro Show......Let me tell you this and please believe me when I say it....I go to the Expo and the O show every year.....and when you see these guys on Stage, IN PERSON and not on your stupid little iphones and the Muscle Mags your Mom buys you when she goes to get you milk and cookies from the grocery store, you can see who the clear winner is. HEATH..he has it.....he's clearly the Champion. You need to go to a show to understand it...otherwise you'll never understand it fully.
I walk amongst you.......but I am not one of you.
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11-01-2013, 01:17 PM #85
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11-01-2013, 01:19 PM #86
His clavicles length double in real?
On a serious note, I have a yet to experience it and I have yet to know if this stands as a valid point because all you're saying is he was better in person and even if we debate on a picture or video, in the end, it'll come down to the same argument, which can't be counter by those who haven't been to the same show or have experienced the same.
To my eyes, Wolf and Kai are way, and I mean, way bigger and wider than Phil. The Coleman/Wheeler comparison wasn't to be taken literally, I'm trying to give an image to my point.
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11-01-2013, 01:21 PM #87
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11-01-2013, 01:24 PM #88
I'm gonna put this not so politely:
We don't give a **** about your eyes. None. Zip.
Nowhere in the OP did the guy claim Phil was better than Kai.
Nowhere did he signal he wanted a comparison, he simply said he'd show what impressed him the most.
Now read post #2 of this thread again and again until you realize why you gotta stop ****ing getting up in people's business when there's any chance that you'll pop up.
Top 3 are at a decent equilibrium right now. If you're going to argue that then just go to bed.People these days have more reps than brain cells
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11-01-2013, 01:24 PM #89
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11-01-2013, 01:25 PM #90
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