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10-19-2013, 02:03 PM #151"There are no limits. There are only plateaus, but you must not stay there, you must go beyond them. If it kills you, it kills you. A man must constantly exceed his level."
"Courage is not having the strength to go on; it is going on when you don't have the strength."
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10-19-2013, 02:03 PM #152
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That's why I don't own pitbulls. SRS.
sure not all of them are like that and some can be friendly and nice but in those rare occasions they can go crazy and attack you. I've read far too many stories on pitbulls randomly attacking their owners or someone. No thanks jeff. Rather have another dog if I have to.
inb4 negs. Just my opinion.I always tell the truth...even when I lie.
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10-19-2013, 02:06 PM #153
Obvious there aren't a plethora of miscers who own tigers. I'm looking for an opinion. In your opinion, will a trained tiger (since birth) act according to your training; and could you honestly say that you trust it whole-heartily?
Again, not making a comparison, i'm simply curious about your standpoint.
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10-19-2013, 02:08 PM #155
and btw, I've worked around dogs, been around dog breeders, I still walk my old neighbours' dogs everyday, volunteered in shelters etc.
Dogs no matter what breed will STILL have the potential to just "lose it" one day and bite you
some go through hormonal changes, some just go through ageing and just change their behavior
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10-19-2013, 02:08 PM #156
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10-19-2013, 02:14 PM #164"There are no limits. There are only plateaus, but you must not stay there, you must go beyond them. If it kills you, it kills you. A man must constantly exceed his level."
"Courage is not having the strength to go on; it is going on when you don't have the strength."
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10-19-2013, 02:16 PM #165
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10-19-2013, 02:22 PM #167
So what i'm getting from those that have responded:
- Tigers are (obviously) more dangerous than dogs and for that reason (and many other) we should not own them as pets
- instinct cannot completely be removed from animals even through generations of selective breeding (look at humans, our instinct has survived since our inception)
My questions:
Is it possible that pitbulls may be a naturally more aggressive breed than other dogs?
Is it a fair request to ask that pitbulls not be allowed at pets, as they can be potentially more dangerous than other breeds of dogs? (The same reason as why tigers shouldn't be owned?) (I am not comparing tigers to pitbulls)
These questions are taking into consideration ALL personal experiences with pitbulls, and I am exclusively speaking in a "community-oriented" manner.
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10-19-2013, 02:24 PM #168
These are good questions. I wouldn't mind seeing a research experiment over them.
In terms of anecdotal evidence, a friend of mine has two pits and they are very very sweet dogs.
Yet, I am still very cautious in how I act towards them and would never leave them alone with a child (then again, there are very very few dog breeds I would allow that anyways).
I just think everything can succumb to its own instinct, the difference from then on is how efficient certain breeds may be to act upon that same instinct.
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10-19-2013, 02:30 PM #169
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10-19-2013, 02:31 PM #170
I agree with your post, specifically the last part. Research would obviously be essential before making any claims such as "Pitbulls are more aggressive", and "Pitbulls are more likely to become aggressive".
I would be curious to know if there's any research suggesting that Pitbulls tap into instinct more easily than other breeds, potentially leading to increased aggression.
I also want to point out that there's a lot of defense against pitbulls with statements such as "yes but mine ______" and "My dog _____"
I am well aware that primary socialization is the greatest factor as far as aggression and temperament go, and I hope that most of society would agree with that point as well.
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10-19-2013, 02:35 PM #171
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10-19-2013, 02:45 PM #175
tigers and pitbulls are completely different and although you say your not comparing them it is somewhat implied by using them as a reference point.
Pit bulls have been breed to fight thats a fact. This makes them more prone to dog aggressive behavior, prone being the keyword. what people dont recognize is that this trait is also what makes them so friendly towards people. Pits that bite or attacked owners/trainers were killed because it wasnt a good trait for the sport (if you want to call it a sport). When you ref a pit bull fight your face is right next to the dogs any human aggression in a pit with two dogs would be extremely dangerous.
So are they naturally more aggressive? Maybe so towards dogs if not socialized properly and in some cases even if they are. Certainly there bred traits would suggest they would be less human aggressive then say a Shepard or doberman breed to guard.
No its not a fair request. There dogs just like an akita, huskey, or doberman they can and have all killed. a pit bull kills the same way they do. Why should one dog be bastardized because some people cant control their animal. Should guns be outlawed because people kill, what about knives or bats.
The real problem is over breeding and poor ownership not the breed itself. Millions more pit bulls are living in the world and not attacking then the few that are plastered on the news.
In the 50's the bloodhound was the hated breed 60's german shepard, 70's dobermans, 80's rottys, and now its the pit bull."There are no limits. There are only plateaus, but you must not stay there, you must go beyond them. If it kills you, it kills you. A man must constantly exceed his level."
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10-19-2013, 02:48 PM #176
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10-19-2013, 02:52 PM #178
Faulty logic will fault. perhaps you do not realize what you are doing/saying despite your intentions to state the contrary.
Allow me:
You've set up the definition of aggression in one species and extirpated that definition onto another species, thus indirectly attributing one aggression as the other. In other words, yes, you have compared the two.
I can keep going if you can. There are also lions, tigers, and oh my bears we can throw into this too.
edit - probably should have chosen the word 'extrapolated' rather than extirpated...Last edited by Dodheimsgard; 10-19-2013 at 03:03 PM.
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