So... dendrobium was just a lie?

[eldawg]

^^ After reading some of your recent posts, I can safely conclude that you are an idiot.

[Terrimonas]

Ya, that would certainly be interesting. I doubt it would have the same effects, as the compound is pretty straight forward not counting the ETH. I always just attributed the effects to the dendrobium and PEA. A few times actually, I got similar effects from D-stunner, which has the PEA for CNS stimulation. It was never as intense as Craze, but it gave me the same mental clarity, focus, and stimulation, even for hours after my workout was finished. Anyway, I guess we'll never know.

The sad part is, it's due to people using these products irresponsibly that we cannot enjoy them for what they are. Even with the ETH, in moderation I would continue to use Craze (provided it was listed and disclosed the amounts). If DMAA was still an active ingredient in PWO's, I would also use that sparingly. In moderation, I think they can be amazing products for avid, serious lifters. It's the fact that people start pounding this **** on a daily basis, and well above the recommended doses, that the rest of us can't continue to enjoy the products responsibly.

Thank you Captain Poptart for this wonderfully insightful post.

[Mmats]

It's the fact that people start pounding this **** on a daily basis, and well above the recommended doses, that the rest of us can't continue to enjoy the products responsibly.

Yea Im sure it will be the consumers that are sent to jail once Cahill is found guilty.

[chicago1963]

I tried SD Pharmaceuticals Dendrobium 600 and never noticed any effects, I bought a bottle and tried to be objective but stopped 3/4 of the way through it, just didn't do anything for me but obviously results will vary from person to person what works for some doesn't work for others.

[Elliptical Envy]

Scivation sells bulk dendrobium if you would like to see how it works

Primaforce

[powercage]

Primaforce

My fault

[Quadzilla99]

Primaforce alcar and cit mal are awesome and an insane value. Also got some smart powders sulbutiamine that I like a lot (same company) but that dendrobium yikes. Please don't waste your time

[JerseyTriad]

I've tried GameDay which contains dendrobium and it was, for me, above most pre workouts but, didn't come close to Craze. I had to stop using GameDay though because, I work out on an empty stomach first thing in the morning and GD gave me dizzy spells and made me so light-headed I couldn't finish my workouts.

[Elliptical Envy]

Anyone expected Dendrobium in other products or bulk Dendrobium to feel remotely like Craze is sorely mistaken.

[eatyourspinach]

Anyone expected Dendrobium in other products or bulk Dendrobium to feel remotely like Craze is sorely mistaken.

Lol wasn't this the first or second point you mentioned when it was released?

[Elliptical Envy]

Lol wasn't this the first or second point you mentioned when it was released?

I'm sure it was

[Quadzilla99]

Anyone expected Dendrobium in other products or bulk Dendrobium to feel remotely like Craze is sorely mistaken.

Eggs Actly. Expect them to feel more like a sugar pill tbh

[fitnfirm]

Anyone expected Dendrobium in other products or bulk Dendrobium to feel remotely like Craze is sorely mistaken.

SPICY- Level 10

[MusclePunisher]

This whole CRAZE thing is nonsense. Whether or not ETH was in the PWO, is has been indicated that they found TRACE amounts. TRACE being the key word. The amounts were MINISCULE and certainly not enough to create the effect that Craze gives alone. I have no taken Dendrobium on it's own, but I am sure that it plays a big factor in the Craze effect. I am also sure that ETH played a role too, but not nearly enough of a role to make the difference.

Trace in a scoop of grams of powder. That means miligrams were found. Real amphetamines are dosed by miligram. So yes, 20-30 milligrams of Eth is significant.
My ******** is at 20mg and its certainly better than any pwo. And thats exactly what people were saying about craze. "the best ever"

[VaughnTrue]

Trace in a scoop of grams of powder. That means miligrams were found. Real amphetamines are dosed by miligram. So yes, 20-30 milligrams of Eth is significant.
My ******** is at 20mg and its certainly better than any pwo. And thats exactly what people were saying about craze. "the best ever"

20mg of ******** or "m. Amphetamine salts" as the generic says on the orange pills is absurd. How anyone "enjoys" this feeling is beyond me. I hate feeling "up" like that.

[Elliptical Envy]

20mg of ******** or "m. Amphetamine salts" as the generic says on the orange pills is absurd. How anyone "enjoys" this feeling is beyond me. I hate feeling "up" like that.

******** makes me way too unproductive.

[MusclePunisher]

20mg of ******** or "m. Amphetamine salts" as the generic says on the orange pills is absurd. How anyone "enjoys" this feeling is beyond me. I hate feeling "up" like that.

Not recreational. Im prescribed. I dont feel up, im normally down in mood, energy, focus. As far as i feel it addy makes me normal.

And its mixed amphetamine salts. Or 25% l-amphetamine, and 75% d-amphetamine (broken down into 3 different salts)

[changemyoil66]

i remember when DMAA was getting a bad rep, then most companies switched to demdrobium claiming it gives even better energy than DMAA. Ive then tried the new fromulas of preWO that claimed cleaner and better energy due to using Denbrobium...most reformulations are total garbage.

But what works or doesnt work for 1 may have different results to others. There are other posters on the forums who do enjoy Denbrobium. So OP you have to try it to see how it works for you.

[Elliptical Envy]

i remember when DMAA was getting a bad rep, then most companies switched to demdrobium claiming it gives even better energy than DMAA. Ive then tried the new fromulas of preWO that claimed cleaner and better energy due to using Denbrobium...most reformulations are total garbage.

But what works or doesnt work for 1 may have different results to others. There are other posters on the forums who do enjoy Denbrobium. So OP you have to try it to see how it works for you.

One company said that their Dendrobium is better than ephedrine. x 100000000000000

[VaughnTrue]

******** makes me way too unproductive.

I've always had the same reaction. I am so stimmed up/amped up that I don't want to sit and study/work, but do 50 different things at once.

[fitnfirm]

I've always had the same reaction. I am so stimmed up/amped up that I don't want to sit and study/work, but do 50 different things at once.

Try 10 mg

[VaughnTrue]

Try 10 mg

yeesh no thank you. not a compound I would willingly put in my body again.

[MusclePunisher]

yeesh no thank you. not a compound I would willingly put in my body again.

Guys its not for ppl who have normal concentration. Yeah students abuse it, but id say its counterproductive as hell. They probably dont learn anything pulling all nighters on addy.

It would be like taking blood pressure meds when your blood pressure is fine.

[JayLS1-327]

SPICY- Level 10

This one goes to 11.

[VaughnTrue]

Guys its not for ppl who have normal concentration. Yeah students abuse it, but id say its counterproductive as hell. They probably dont learn anything pulling all nighters on addy.

It would be like taking blood pressure meds when your blood pressure is fine.

i agree.

[Mr.Cooper69]

Guys its not for ppl who have normal concentration. Yeah students abuse it, but id say its counterproductive as hell. They probably dont learn anything pulling all nighters on addy.

It would be like taking blood pressure meds when your blood pressure is fine.

Blood pressure meds still reduce BP if your BP is fine. ********, conversely, has the opposite effect in normal people than its therapeutic effect in patients.

[TMac26]

Blood pressure meds still reduce BP if your BP is fine. ********, conversely, has the opposite effect in normal people than its therapeutic effect in patients.

So much this.


You give someone that does not have high BP, say 10 mg of Bystolic, they are going to have serious low blood pressure. You give someone like me ********, and I'm going to be up for 24 hours.

Give someone who has clinical ADHD ********, and they mellow out, too high of a dose? They might go to sleep.

[JKing4]

chiming in late. dendrobium was a over hyped product that was claimed to replace dmaa. give it to someone new to lifting and on their first or maybe 2nd pre workout, ya it's amazing. give it to a gym rat who has experience with using different products, it's garbage.