Optimum Nutrition ZMA Blood Test Results

[azncone]

I have low testosterone, but not low enough for my doctor to do anything about it. I've been experiencing some bad depression and I'm convinced it's the low testosterone levels. My doctor prescribed some depression meds but I didn't want to take those.

Anyways, I recently got a well paying job so I decided to do some supplement tests of my own. I figured I'll share my results if anyone is interested. Here are the results for Optimum Nutrition ZMA (taken as directed on label).

Woke up at 8:30AM, blood drawn at 9:00AM
Baseline Testosterone Total (serum) level (only vitamins and protein powder taken): 359 ng/dL

Woke up at 8:30AM, blood drawn at 9:10AM
After 10 days of taking ZMA (no other supplements other than vitamins and protein powder): 371 ng/dL

I purchased the blood test from privatemd and blood was drawn at a LabCorp location.

Not much of a difference I guess. I have noticed that my morning wood was back for a few days but then they were gone after. Must have been placebo.

My next supplement I'm taking is Sports Food Tribulus Terrestris 1000mg/day, 95% Steroidal Saponins, 80% Protodioscin. I'm currently on the 9th day and I'm getting my blood tested tomorrow.
After tribulus, I'm going to give DHEA a shot.

If you guys have any supplement requests or any requests on how I'm doing this, I'd be happy to give it a try.

[xStevenx]

Blood work for test should be done completely fasted for one.

No OTC Supplement Test booster will boost your test that much. Your doctor gave you meds for what? Depression or Test?

Using ZMA, Trib, and DHEA will not do what I assume you are expecting

D Aspartic Acid
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/al...rtic-acid.html

DAA Has been proven to show an increase in testosterone...especially in men who have lower levels of T....still not going to put you from 359 to 750 or anything though.

The "TestoSurge" in the product below also has human studies behind it. I stack them together a few times per year.
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/al...rtic-acid.html

but at the end of the day....will there be an increase? Yes....will it take you from a low level T to high? No

listen to your DR

[kerplunk]

Blood work for test should be done completely fasted for one.

No OTC Supplement Test booster will boost your test that much. Your doctor gave you meds for what? Depression or Test?

Using ZMA, Trib, and DHEA will not do what I assume you are expecting

D Aspartic Acid
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/al...rtic-acid.html

DAA Has been proven to show an increase in testosterone...especially in men who have lower levels of T....still not going to put you from 359 to 750 or anything though.

The "TestoSurge" in the product below also has human studies behind it. I stack them together a few times per year.
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/al...rtic-acid.html

but at the end of the day....will there be an increase? Yes....will it take you from a low level T to high? No

listen to your DR

http://suppversity.blogspot.com/2013...rtic-acid.html

[azncone]

Blood work for test should be done completely fasted for one.

No OTC Supplement Test booster will boost your test that much. Your doctor gave you meds for what? Depression or Test?

Using ZMA, Trib, and DHEA will not do what I assume you are expecting

D Aspartic Acid


DAA Has been proven to show an increase in testosterone...especially in men who have lower levels of T....still not going to put you from 359 to 750 or anything though.

The "TestoSurge" in the product below also has human studies behind it. I stack them together a few times per year.


but at the end of the day....will there be an increase? Yes....will it take you from a low level T to high? No

listen to your DR

Doc gave me prescription for depression, not for test. He said my test levels were perfectly fine (I disagree).

Privatemd labs said no fasting is needed if testing ONLY testosterone levels. I did fast anyways however.

I'll add d-aspartic acid to my list of 10 day trials.

[TMac26]

http://suppversity.blogspot.com/2013...rtic-acid.html

Hopefully this will put to rest the DAA free for all.

[Nom Z]

10 days of ZMA isn't going to do much; ZMA isn't going to do much for test either unless you're zinc deficient.

[potionmaster]

don't waste your time and money doing tests after only 10days, there is NOTHING out there short of pharmaceuticals, that can elicit a marked, measurable response in that time frame

i suggest you ask the doc to refer you to an endo or switch docs, he is obviously not in sync with your needs

[Mr.Cooper69]

don't waste your time and money doing tests after only 10days, there is NOTHING out there short of pharmaceuticals, that can elicit a marked, measurable response in that time frame

i suggest you ask the doc to refer you to an endo or switch docs, he is obviously not in sync with your needs

We have beta tested products with a range of 60-150% increases in test over 5 days. Several of the testers are regulars on this board. But I digress

OP, you bought bloodwork just to test ZMA? Why not do research first

[potionmaster]

We have beta tested products with a range of 60-150% increases in test over 5 days. Several of the testers are regulars on this board. But I digress

OP, you bought bloodwork just to test ZMA? Why not do research first

said products? i'd like to try

more importantly, results need to be sustainable or else useless

[Mr.Cooper69]

said products? i'd like to try

more importantly, results need to be sustainable or else useless

They are actually single ingredients. No plans for a product yet, just seeing what works and what doesn't.

I think what's more important than sustainability is reaching supraphysiological levels. Changes in body composition related to T seem to follow a biphasic model, with only T changes from:

1. Hypogonadism to normal T levels
2. Normal T levels to supraphysiological T levels

Despite the fact that there are these "thresholds," improvements in body composition occur dose-dependently once the threshold has been passed.

[moumenr]

ZMA will not "increase" your testosterone, but rather "recover" the lost testosterone that was lost during exercise, sex, or other things that may decrease your testosterone momentarily...

[potionmaster]

whats normal? 350 is normal, so is 600...if we even take the middle ground, say 100% increase, what 350x2 vs 600x2 is very different...and i very much doubt any non-pharma can do 600x2

i regard sustainability as being of greater importance, without which any(if any) measurable improvement, especially physiological, would just be shortlived, once cycled off, you dip back, your euphoria vanishes, hence relegating these test boosting cycles as merely novel

supraphysiological levels? i'm skeptical and have reason to be so, but it would certainly be the holy grail and then, again, it would still need to be sustainable

[Mr.Cooper69]

whats normal? 350 is normal, so is 600...if we even take the middle ground, say 100% increase, what 350x2 vs 600x2 is very different...and i very much doubt any non-pharma can do 600x2

i regard sustainability as being of greater importance, without which any(if any) measurable improvement, especially physiological, would just be shortlived, once cycled off, you dip back, your euphoria vanishes, hence relegating these test boosting cycles as merely novel

supraphysiological levels? i'm skeptical and have reason to be so, but it would certainly be the holy grail and then, again, it would still need to be sustainable

You really mis-interpreted my post. My post has absolutely nothing to do with natural testosterone boosters. I was stating what we know, presently, about the relationship between testosterone and body composition. That's it.

To your point about sustainability, it is fairly common knowledge that testosterone therapy in the supraphysiological range improves body composition. Hence the term "cycling." So "gains" are indeed sustainable even after the stimulus is removed, otherwise people wouldn't even juice. But enough on that topic, don't want no banhammer in this hiz

[potionmaster]

You really mis-interpreted my post. My post has absolutely nothing to do with natural testosterone boosters. I was stating what we know, presently, about the relationship between testosterone and body composition. That's it.

To your point about sustainability, it is fairly common knowledge that testosterone therapy in the supraphysiological range improves body composition. Hence the term "cycling." So "gains" are indeed sustainable even after the stimulus is removed, otherwise people wouldn't even juice. But enough on that topic, don't want no banhammer in this hiz

no banhammer, i was only talking about natural testboosters

[aaronuconn]

If you're going to go through the work of getting blood panels drawn, do it with proven testosterone boosters, like Erase Pro and BioForge.

[azncone]

If you're going to go through the work of getting blood panels drawn, do it with proven testosterone boosters, like Erase Pro and BioForge.

erm, my point is to test unproven test boosters.