The case FOR Natural Bodybuilding!!!! Come the fuk at me miscrealtalker
Everybody saying natural bodybuilding is a joke these days and that it always has been. LOL Pls go.
I see this over and over;
Big
Ripped
Natty
Pick 2.
If you look at a FFMI calculator that can be found here on bb.com;
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/natu...dybuilding.htm
you will see a 6' man at 10% BF and 200lbs is VERY attainable. please note these figures are based on bodybuilders, so when it says average, it means average against a sample of natural competitive bodybuilders, not random dudes at wal-mart.
You're not gonna be a 250lb mass monster. but over 200 is pretty fkn big. 18" arms, 46" or more chest, 27" legs. not small at all.
This is also assuming your test levels are not fkn poverty. 300-1100 ng/dl is the range for men. if you're on the 400 end of things, yes building muscle will be harder for you, much harder. but with good diet, a good routine, adequate sleep, there is NO reason you can't be big and ripped and natty in a reasonable amount of time.
brings us to this;
first 2 years of lifting, potential for 30 pounds of MUSCLE. that's a TON of fkn muscle brahs. as a natty you will gain some fat of course, but if you bulk wisely, no reason to not stay mostly lean. I've been lifting for ONE year this month, and put on 30 pounds total. based on my before and after BF% about 21 was muscle, 9 fat. not even mad.
The risk;
lots of ppl have family history of enlarged hearts and complications. the heart is a muscle, gear makes muscles bigger, not that hard to see where this is going...will catch up to you sauna or later.
Also;
it's a HOBBY. if you're hobby is lifting, and you don't compete, and you enjoy the journey, not just the destination, there is no reason to ride a bike. it's like wanting to blood dope/EPO to win a charity 5K in your local town. completely stupid.
gear will NOT change your proportions, muscle origins, or inserts. it will NOT change your bone structure. if you're not aesthetic for any of these reasons, you will still be un-aestheic, just bigger and blockier with acne and a puffy face. LOL NO thx. if you're too fkn fat and you need help cutting and you turn to gear, you're just a fkn beta with no discipline. if you can't get big without gear, you probably don't know how to train and eat to begin with.
FINALLY; unless you plan on staying on your bike forever, you will eventually, return to your natural genetic limit. NO EXCEPTIONS. maybe even worse. you don't get to keep those gains that you bought. it's on borrowed time.
CLIFFS:
you can get an amazing feeeziiiikk with no help from drugs.
EDIT: we found the calculator is buggy
http://www.naturalphysiques.com/28/f...ass-index-ffmi
this one seems to be more accurate
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10-09-2013, 08:03 PM #1
The case FOR Natural Bodybuilding!!!! Come the fuk at me miscrealtalker
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10-09-2013, 08:04 PM #2Sex Appeal Brah
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cool, now what?
let people do what they want.Meet Lifts/Gym Lifts
Bench 365/385
Squat 460/485
Dead 515/535
Total: 1340 Raw @ 180lbs /w no wraps.
I'msexyandIknowit
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10-09-2013, 08:05 PM #3bodhisattva
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eh not bad OP. neat
375/270/440
Road to 1200 total
Meditation brah
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10-09-2013, 08:09 PM #4Registered User
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?? puffy face?Originally Posted by Rusty82
in on 0 page thread.
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10-09-2013, 08:11 PM #5Registered User
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Just above 22. Got dat excellent rating. Rockin the 95th percentile. Honestly didn't think I would rank like that so I think this may be a bit of broscience. Tests and visual comparisons put me constantly around 14-15% with a 5lb fluctuation in weight.
EDIT: Also lol at sauna or later. I've considered gear but the health fears are always there. Plus dat hair loss, I'm not trying to go bald any sooner than natural.
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10-09-2013, 08:13 PM #6Registered User
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good thead OP
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10-09-2013, 08:13 PM #7that's the point. lots of ppl being called sheeps recently for being natty. let them all be.Originally Posted by ruskism
stay mad peasantOriginally Posted by dungoobed
http://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/moon-facies
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10-09-2013, 08:15 PM #8One with the Force
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I'm natty and bitches mire constantly. Why would I want to risk harming my body for the sake of looking like a freak? No idea. I would probably get laid less. You would get mired by blokes more, but I couldn't really care less about that.
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10-09-2013, 08:15 PM #9u wot m1.68179283050743⁴
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On a mild bike ride myself u mad lol.
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10-09-2013, 08:16 PM #10Registered User
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How about juicing to this 6" 200lbs 10% bf natural limit you speak of in order to get there in 1-2 years instead of 10 then enjoy that body and never shrink. what about THAT op. huh
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10-09-2013, 08:16 PM #11Hairiest Miscer
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I like Rusty82.
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10-09-2013, 08:16 PM #12Certified Autistic
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lol i'm friends with you on ******** and you are literally gay in real lifeOriginally Posted by TheJediBrah
i'm sure you'd like all that attention from guysThe best years of your life are the ones in which you decide your problems are your own. You do not blame them on your mother, the ecology, or the president. You realize that you control your own destiny.
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10-09-2013, 08:16 PM #13exactly.Originally Posted by TheJediBrah
no need to be upset. just don't see why others want to bash those who do not ride.Originally Posted by Manc33
Originally Posted by Galuhksea
reading comprehension...not even once.
I like you too <3Originally Posted by qurs
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10-09-2013, 08:17 PM #14Learn from your mistakes
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it put me at 22.53...Originally Posted by KawRider
No way can I be in that good a shape. I've only been lifting for 6 months.Its not how strong you are, its how good your aim is from 500 yards.
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10-09-2013, 08:17 PM #15Registered User
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yeah i know what a F'ing fat face looks like. gear does not cause it. gear makes you look like this:Originally Posted by Rusty82
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10-09-2013, 08:19 PM #16Registered User
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i recommend you take a look at matt ogus in his early videos, and what his face looks like now. he is a great example of the moon face effect from steroids, it is absolutely real and ive seen it happen to many guys. even at bodyfat levels below 10% their face looks bloated.Originally Posted by dungoobed
yeah i know what a F'ing fat face looks like. gear does not cause it. gear makes you look like this:
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10-09-2013, 08:19 PM #17One with the Force
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Shut Up man! not in front of the MiscersOriginally Posted by FeelTheFear
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10-09-2013, 08:20 PM #18...Or was, 10 years ago.
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If your serious about the sport and want to take it to the next level after training for a good amount of time, you'll realize that celltech is a viable option. It is what it is, it gets hard to gain after 4-5 years and some people are not happy with what they have achieved.
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10-09-2013, 08:21 PM #19no hate..but there is probably a !00% chance your saying your BF% is way too low in the calculator.Originally Posted by lucidz
Originally Posted by dungoobed
strong understanding that different compounds have different effects. notice how most pros are at like 6% during a contest, yet still have a chubby face?
but..... Stats: 5'7", 160 lbs, what would you know anyway? you're just guessing based off things you've heard on the internet.
TYOriginally Posted by tech99
that's fine. no reason to call out others who stay natty names doe. or put them down like some ppl around here do.Originally Posted by CollegeBoy12
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10-09-2013, 08:21 PM #20dath it mane
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like babyslayer said
if you can achieve your goals naturally, why the fuk would you use drugs
if you cant achieve your goals naturally, do it but do it safely.When I was 5 years old, my mother always told me that being shredded was the key to life. When I went to school, they asked me what I wanted to be when I grew up. I wrote down shredded. They told me I didnt understand the assignment, and I told them they didnt understand life.
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10-09-2013, 08:22 PM #21such a long journey :s
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You do realize that puffy face and acne can be avoided on a cycle right and everyone nowadays is using roids and are getting ahead while us natty's stay back, no thanks jeff.
4 years of lifting with roids to get natural limit or 7 years of lifting to get natural limit with no roids, decide for yourself, It's BS.
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10-09-2013, 08:22 PM #22Axis Mundi
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According to your calc I got a FFMI of 25.
"23-25 = Superior [Off the charts for normal adult men (Schutz et al., 2002), but in the top 85-95th percentile for Natural bodybuilders (Kouri et al., 1995)]"
/feelsgoodman.So edgy
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10-09-2013, 08:23 PM #23Registered User
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yeah, different steroids have different effects. some make it impossible to develop fat tissue. you're the one that made the blanket statement: GEAR MAKES FAT MOON FACE.Originally Posted by Rusty82
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10-09-2013, 08:23 PM #24MWC gif lord
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I agree with the OP. Currently 190 at 6' 0" at 10% all natty. Feelsgoodman.
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10-09-2013, 08:24 PM #25One with the Force
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Wise.Originally Posted by blu51994
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10-09-2013, 08:25 PM #26Originally Posted by Rusty82
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10-09-2013, 08:25 PM #27Registered User
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im not aware of any way to stop the puffy face, although it doesnt happen to everybody. most guys need accutane to stop the acne which comes with its own set of side effects and can mess with liver function.Originally Posted by RaaX
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10-09-2013, 08:25 PM #28Age: 18Originally Posted by RaaX
Stats: 5'9", 164 lbs
BROOOOOOOO you haven't even started yet. at least fkn lift for a couple years then talk shiit about it.
Originally Posted by Brahhphomet
gotta make sure you're very accurate on your BF% and not guessing it's lower than it is. that one variable will throw off the whole thing by a lot, it will think a couple pounds of fat are muscle ect.
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10-09-2013, 08:27 PM #29
20-25 lbs of muscle my first year?? Was that what was I suppose to achieve?
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10-09-2013, 08:28 PM #30strong taking a joke massively out of context to try to prove 1 little speck of what i said wrong, in a sad attempt to discredit everything i've said. do u even lift?Originally Posted by dungoobed
damn straight. keep hustling cuz. looking good.Originally Posted by Tweedurr
this.Originally Posted by TheJediBrah
Originally Posted by SeymourCake
Zane is my fav. he's the GOAT of aesthetics.
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