Food That is 100% Fats? (besides oils)

[plateau_max]

This is a more common complaint (fat requirements) for people doing keto, so I've seen threads like this before, just not for someone outside that diet. The solution is usually heavy whipping cream

Kroger has a heavy whipping cream that is void of carbs and protein and it goes really well in a shake. Here's some nutrition info for you:
http://www.livestrong.com/thedailypl...hipping-cream/

[EpyonCustom]

Why aren't you just picking foods throughout the day that include healthy fats?

Red meats, fish, oils, salad dressings, flax seeds, coconut.... The list goes on and on. These foods will also help you reach other macro goals at the same time.

That's the problem though.

Look, I want to be able to eat different food when I want and I need it to fit within my macros. Eating different meals and making sure all my macros are being hit without using the shake approach would take some mathwork every day.

I won't be able to comply long-term if I need to do mathwork every day. So I can either eat the same meals every day, like I did on my Leangains cut, or I can eat what I want and then use the shake at night.

[SlickRick187]

That's the problem though.

Look, I want to be able to eat different food when I want and I need it to fit within my macros. Eating different meals and making sure all my macros are being hit without using the shake approach would take some mathwork every day.

I won't be able to comply long-term if I need to do mathwork every day. So I can either eat the same meals every day, like I did on my Leangains cut, or I can eat what I want and then use the shake at night.

No. I eat what I want everyday and I don't have a PhD in mathematics. Aaaaand I still hit macros and stay within my caloric goal

[EpyonCustom]

I don't see what's wrong with extra virgin coconut oil. If it ain't broke...

The coconut oil is fine. I was just curious of other options.

This is a more common complaint (fat requirements) for people doing keto, so I've seen threads like this before, just not for someone outside that diet. The solution is usually heavy whipping cream

Kroger has a heavy whipping cream that is void of carbs and protein and it goes really well in a shake. Here's some nutrition info for you:
http://www.livestrong.com/thedailypl...hipping-cream/

Thanks!

[EpyonCustom]

No. I eat what I want everyday and I don't have a PhD in mathematics. Aaaaand I still hit macros and stay within my caloric goal

We both do the same thing, except you're fine with putting forth more effort to calculate, whereas I'd just rather use my shake. Whatever works for each of us!

Besides, it's not like chocolate protein + heavy whipping cream + strawberries is torture.

[leinenn]

Where's WonderPug when you need him?

[cls91]

I calculate my TDEE and set my calories, but then I break that up into fats/protein/carbs, and just try to come close to those macros every day.

Tracking calories is not the same as tracking macros (unless you factor in all the soluble/insoluble fiber and sugar alcohols you eat daily).

Not to mention, limiting yourself to foods containing purely protein, fat, or carbs will hinder your ability to meet micronutrient and fiber needs.

[InItForFitness]

Where's WonderPug when you need him?

WP is not needed. OP has been given clear advice on multiple occasions in this situation. He is just determined not to listen.

[EpyonCustom]

Tracking calories is not the same as tracking macros (unless you factor in all the soluble/insoluble fiber and sugar alcohols you eat daily).

Of course it's not exactly the same, but it's close enough.

Not to mention, limiting yourself to foods containing purely protein, fat, or carbs will hinder your ability to meet micronutrient and fiber needs.

The shake only makes up a small portion of my daily diet.

WP is not needed. OP has been given clear advice on multiple occasions in this situation. He is just determined not to listen.

To be fair, I didn't make this thread to ask for diet advice. Besides, the best diet is one you can comply with long-term.

[MikeK46]

In all honesty, if you're eating sensibly throughout the day you should have your macros already met by evening. Very rarely do I personally have to adjust the contents of my last meal to meet my macros, and I'm willing to bet it's like that for others as well.

If you prepare your meals with a nice balance of protein, fats, and carbs you shouldn't have any problem. In the back of your head you should be conscious of what you're eating throughout the day. Then you won't have to rely on supplements to make up for deficiencies.

[InItForFitness]

To be fair, I didn't make this thread to ask for diet advice. Besides, the best diet is one you can comply with long-term.

If the only advice given was in direct relation to the original posts in this forum, than we'd have 1,000's of newbies running around out there that were told their bro-diets and false beliefs are correct, just because we didn't offer them advice we saw fit.
Most of the time the best advice you can offer doesn't relate to the question at hand.

[EpyonCustom]

In the back of your head you should be conscious of what you're eating throughout the day.

But that's what I'm trying to avoid. Yeah, if my macros are p200/f100/c200 for example, I can eat four meals that are each p50/f25/c50, but then I'm worrying too much for my liking.

I'd rather just log my meals, which could be:

p60/f30/c70

p20/f20/c50

p80/f30/c50

Then I'd check MyFitnessPal and see I have p40/f20/c30 left, which I would easily manipulate with my shake of protein, cream/oil/butter, and fruit.

If the only advice given was in direct relation to the original posts in this forum, than we'd have 1,000's of newbies running around out there that were told their bro-diets and false beliefs are correct, just because we didn't offer them advice we saw fit.
Most of the time the best advice you can offer doesn't relate to the question at hand.

Your advice is that I could be putting in less effort with your method, but I think my method is easier for me. I don't see what the issue is. To each their own.

[EpiQC]

Counting all three macros means you don't have to count calories. I find it simpler personally.

3 > 1. Simpler?

Make sure you eat 130g proteins per day.
Make sure you eat 70g fats per day.
(Make sure you eat 30g fibers per day.)

Fill the remaining calories with whatever you feel like without tracking anything else other than calories. Much simpler.

[MikeK46]

I just monitor my calories and concentrate my carbs in my pre-workout meal. My macros for protein & fat are usually well beyond physiological sufficiency by the end of the day.

[EpyonCustom]

3 > 1. Simpler?

It's not 3 vs 1 unless you're only looking at your calories. You're tracking your calories, protein, and fats. And I find that more complicated because you're looking at two levels of data, whereas I just look at all three parts of one level.

Again, to each their own.

[SlickRick187]

its funny how many people come in here asking for advice, but if its not the input they are looking for, they become bull headed. like you said OP, to each their own. However, if you come in here looking for advice, and the masses agree on said advice, it might be wise to take heed to those words and at least TRY and incorporate some of it. You say things like "it's close enough" and you don't track calories, but at the end of the day, these are two very important factors to reach your goals. The people in here are clearly trying to help but you don't seem to want any of it

just my 2 cents

[EpyonCustom]

its funny how many people come in here asking for advice, but if its not the input they are looking for, they become bull headed. like you said OP, to each their own. However, if you come in here looking for advice, and the masses agree on said advice, it might be wise to take heed to those words and at least TRY and incorporate some of it. You say things like "it's close enough" and you don't track calories, but at the end of the day, these are two very important factors to reach your goals. The people in here are clearly trying to help but you don't seem to want any of it

just my 2 cents

That would be a fair complaint if I came in here asking for advice.

You don't think I haven't read about all the different approaches people have with dieting and their macros? Counting Protein, Fats, and Calories works for some people. Counting all three macros and not calories works for other people. Look at Leangains.

By the way, I'm not sure if you misunderstood, but I do calculate my calories and adjust them accordingly as I progress. I just don't look at them on a daily basis. Whereas you look at the calories of your food every day do to make sure it fits, while still getting enough protein and fats, I just look to make sure I'm meeting my protein, fats, and carbs, which comes damn close to what my caloric goal is. And as long as you're consistent with always counting fiber or always not counting fiber, you should be fine.

I'm not saying my approach is superior to yours. I just personally find it easier.

[saw7988]

See one thing I think you're missing OP is that (in a similar way to how you said there are 2 levels of data: calories and macros) there are also 2 levels of "tracking effort." It's one thing to just generally follow a number and making sure, on average, that crosses a certain threshold. It's another thing to follow it more closely and try to target it at a specific number. IMO "generally counting" is way easier than accurately "targeting."

With your method you need to "target" 3 numbers, the 3 macros. With the conventional method you only need to "target" one number, calories. And then just on average making sure you're at healthy fat and protein levels is sort of a background/less effort task.

[OneHandClap]

You're being stupid and stubborn. Nobody needs to get 10 more grams of carbs.

[EpyonCustom]

See one thing I think you're missing OP is that (in a similar way to how you said there are 2 levels of data: calories and macros) there are also 2 levels of "tracking effort." It's one thing to just generally follow a number and making sure, on average, that crosses a certain threshold. It's another thing to follow it more closely and try to target it at a specific number. IMO "generally counting" is way easier than accurately "targeting."

With your method you need to "target" 3 numbers, the 3 macros. With the conventional method you only need to "target" one number, calories. And then just on average making sure you're at healthy fat and protein levels is sort of a background/less effort task.

You could be close to your caloric limit but still need to fit in too many proteins or fats to meet those macros, causing you to go over your limit. With my approach, there's no worrying. If it doesn't exceed my macro totals, I'm fine.

You'll reply and say to just make sure each meal is balanced. But then that removes freedom and causes more worrying in my opinion. There are pros and cons to both approaches. It just depends on what bothers you more.

You're being stupid and stubborn. Nobody needs to get 10 more grams of carbs.

-I prefer tracking all three macros instead of tracking calories and two macros.
-Counting all three macros allows you to manipulate your macros when adjusting for progress, instead of just calories.
-Counting all three macros allows for carb-cycling, which is what I was doing with Leangains and might start doing again when I'm not injured.

[saw7988]

You could be close to your caloric limit but still need to fit in too many proteins or fats to meet those macros, causing you to go over your limit. With my approach, there's no worrying. If it doesn't exceed my macro totals, I'm fine.

You'll reply and say to just make sure each meal is balanced. But then that removes freedom and causes more worrying in my opinion. There are pros and cons to both approaches. It just depends on what bothers you more.

No I won't. I don't make each meal balanced at all. I just front-load protein a little bit and then I'm either on track or go over. Fine. Also not every day needs to be perfect. If you're under a target 3 days in a row then just tell yourself to bump up that intake a little bit.

[SkydogGinsberg]

You could be close to your caloric limit but still need to fit in too many proteins or fats to meet those macros, causing you to go over your limit. With my approach, there's no worrying. If it doesn't exceed my macro totals, I'm fine.

They weren't "limits" yesterday. They're not "limits" today, either. There's still no penalty for exceeding a minimum target whilst staying within a calorie budget. On the contrary, one can eat foods like lasagna and not get confused by the extraordinary math of tallying a few grams in the "P", "F" and "C" columns.

[EpiQC]

I'm under the impression that the OP thinks that carbs are an essential macro, and that they need to be tracked. Herein lies the problem, methinks.

[EpyonCustom]

No I won't. I don't make each meal balanced at all. I just front-load protein a little bit and then I'm either on track or go over. Fine. Also not every day needs to be perfect. If you're under a target 3 days in a row then just tell yourself to bump up that intake a little bit.

So you have to try and front-load protein (and fats). Both approaches have things to worry about and think about. Up to you.

They weren't "limits" yesterday. They're not "limits" today, either.

The caloric limit.

I'm under the impression that the OP thinks that carbs are an essential macro

I don't. I've already explained why I use this approach. See my previous post.

[EpiQC]

The thing is, you don't even have to track proteins and fats, because there are no maximums. You just have to be conscious that you need some and reach your minimums, which is really easy to do without even trying, especially if you don't restrict yourself to an arbitrary target of a nonessential macro. Because, you don't need them.

Do I need 25g of protein, 15g of fat, and 40g of carbs? Easy. One scoop of zero-carb protein powder, a tablespoon of coconut oil, and a couple cups of blueberries.

[EpyonCustom]

The thing is, you don't even have to track proteins and fats, because there are no maximums. You just have to be conscious that you need some and reach your minimums, which is really easy to do without even trying, especially if you don't restrict yourself to an arbitrary target of a nonessential macro. Because, you don't need them.

I honestly just find my approach easier. I don't know what else to tell you guys.

[danielbor]

Lard.