Arnold Series :[[[

[frosty415]

I checked the new items for bb.com and i noticed the Arnold series. I looked at the protein and the first thing I saw was L-taurine and L-glycine.... sadness for the big man

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/ar...iron-whey.html

[FordTough1989]

well other protein supplements have it too like muscle tech phase 8 and people still love that product.

[frosty415]

well other protein supplements have it too like muscle tech phase 8 and people still love that product.

But you get what you pay for... Phase 8 is always on promotion. The Arnold series, I'm expecting a premium $$ because of the name. Ruining a great name with taurine and glycine.

[Newbiees]

But you get what you pay for... Phase 8 is always on promotion. The Arnold series, I'm expecting a premium $$ because of the name. Ruining a great name with taurine and glycine.

What's wrong with taurine and glycine?

[ausamo2000]

What's wrong with taurine and glycine?

They are fillers that create false protein levels to make it seem like the protein had more grams of protein in it. if you take out the taurine and glycine then the label would read lower grams of protein

[knockoutkid]

Wasn't expecting much anyway

[whiskeysticks]

Muscle Pharm...no thank jeff.

Package looks like the ecto-cooler of protein.

[PricePlow]

I checked the new items for bb.com and i noticed the Arnold series. I looked at the protein and the first thing I saw was L-taurine and L-glycine.... sadness for the big man

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/ar...iron-whey.html

MusclePharm Reps:

- How much additional glycine and taurine is added to this?
- Are you willing to disclose whether the glycine and taurine are counted as part of the "22g protein" on the label?
-- If it is, or you are unwilling to disclose amounts, does Arnold himself truly know the nuances of what you're doing here regarding "amino acid spiking"?

FWIW, the Iron MASS gainer looks LEGIT!!! Sweet potato powder -- nice!

[powercage]

I doubt Arnold has anything to do with the line, formulation wise.

[PricePlow]

I doubt Arnold has anything to do with the line, formulation wise.

I agree. But if they're using his likeness to sell a legal-yet-questionably-formulated product, I'd think he'd want to know about it.

I'm kind of curious on that one since so many people (most of them uneducated on the nuances of protein labeling) look up to him so much.

Amino Acid spiking grinds my gears. I had a big blog post written about it, linking to FDA / AOAC sources that explains it all.. might need to finish cleaning it up and get it out the door.

[TMac26]

The creatine don't look too shabby.


1 gram of Creatine Nitrate per serving, @ 30 servings a jug.

[kissdadookie]

I checked the new items for bb.com and i noticed the Arnold series. I looked at the protein and the first thing I saw was L-taurine and L-glycine.... sadness for the big man

http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/ar...iron-whey.html

It should be 22 grams of protein. The ad copy on it states 22 grams of whey protein. Free form aminos are obviously not whey protein.

[MasterBench]

It should be 22 grams of protein. The ad copy on it states 22 grams of whey protein. Free form aminos are obviously not whey protein.

22g of whey doesn't equal 22g of protein. So they may be referring to the weight of whey ingredients. Taurine and glycine contribute to nitrogen and that is reflected on the label, you are not getting 22g of protein from wpc/wpi/wphi alone. There is no way around this, it's not the manufacturers decision to include or not include t/g in the total g of protein as reflected on the label. They can only choose to use it in their formula or not.

The only alternative is to use a test which measures true protein content and gives you a specific amino acid analysis, which there is no evidence of MP doing

[BogusForLife]

I agree. But if they're using his likeness to sell a legal-yet-questionably-formulated product, I'd think he'd want to know about it.

You're right. Both Arnold and MusclePharm set out to change the industry for the better. They are in no way just trying to cash in on Arnold's likeness and MusclePharm's foothold in the mainstream market.

[kissdadookie]

22g of whey doesn't equal 22g of protein. So they may be referring to the weight of whey ingredients. Taurine and glycine contribute to nitrogen and that is reflected on the label, you are not getting 22g of protein from wpc/wpi/wphi alone. There is no way around this, it's not the manufacturers decision to include or not include t/g in the total g of protein as reflected on the label. They can only choose to use it in their formula or not.

The only alternative is to use a test which measures true protein content and gives you a specific amino acid analysis, which there is no evidence of MP doing

It's a conundrum is it not? Smh. Maybe the product label will include an AA profile on the label. Best we could hope for I guess.

[TMac26]

It's a conundrum is it not? Smh. Maybe the product label will include an AA profile on the label. Best we could hope for I guess.

Doubt it. The FDA allows for "amino acid blends" to labeled under protein.

If a protein powder says 50 grams per serving, that amount can very well be 26 grams actual protein, 24 grams filler aminos (extreme case obviously) but the label can legally read, 50 grams of protein.

[STRONGmanmike06]

The product has not even been released, so I wouldn't start bashing it just yet. I would say give it a shot when its available, if it is no good then write a review. Their are a lot of possibilities here. Arnold has never put his name on any supplement, and he is the greatest bodybuilder of all time. This COULD mean that he was waiting for the opportunity to put his name on some quality supplements. Either way we will find out soon!

[kissdadookie]

Doubt it. The FDA allows for "amino acid blends" to labeled under protein.

If a protein powder says 50 grams per serving, that amount can very well be 26 grams actual protein, 24 grams filler aminos (extreme case obviously) but the label can legally read, 50 grams of protein.

Yes, but if the AA content is all listed out, at least we know if we are getting a more complete AA content. It's not going to be preferable to actual peptide bonded aminos but hey, better than nothing :P

AA profile on the label as in listing out what aminos and the amounts in a typical scoop.

[JayLS1-327]

I doubt Arnold has anything to do with the line, formulation wise.

I call bull****, he's sitting behind his desk, in a lab coat formulating this as I type.

[TMac26]

Yes, but if the AA content is all listed out, at least we know if we are getting a more complete AA content. It's not going to be preferable to actual peptide bonded aminos but hey, better than nothing :P

Good luck trying to narrow down what's naturally occurring amino acid content vs the added amino acid content.

It would be impossible due to the blends of whey proteins (each one with a different concentration of amino acids)

[kissdadookie]

Good luck trying to narrow down what's naturally occurring amino acid content vs the added amino acid content.

It would be impossible due to the blends of whey proteins (each one with a different concentration of amino acids)

I did not mean to imply that one can figure out the amount of actual protein strictly going by a AA profile BUT at least you get a rough idea of what AA you are getting and in what ratios. This is far more preferable than a listing in the ingredients of taurine, glycine, and BCAAs since it could be a smidgen of BCAAs and a whole lot of taurine and glycine. At minimum even if a protein supplement ends up with a good amount of free form AAs thrown in, knowing the AAs and the ratios at least gives you a better clue as to if you are being completely cheated or not on your purchase.

[TMac26]

No company is stupid enough to put a crap load of gycline and taurine in a blend and then put in on AA profile on the label.

[kissdadookie]

No company is stupid enough to put a crap load of gycline and taurine in a blend and then put in on AA profile on the label.

Thus I stated that the best we could hope for is a AA profile, I didn't say that it's probably going to come with one. Why are we essentially nitpicking at this point, let's all just carry on.

[joodabop]

Any reason they'd put L-Glycine as the top ingredient in the "Night Growth Matrix"?

I don't get it...

[frosty415]

I honestly don't think Arnold gives a crap into this formulation of products. He is being paid crap loads of $$ for his name.

[samps6]

Thus I stated that the best we could hope for is a AA profile, I didn't say that it's probably going to come with one. Why are we essentially nitpicking at this point, let's all just carry on.

btw, many brands who "make" whey proteins tubs, put the aminogram of the RAW whey protein.. and not what you are getting (60%-75% or whatever..) on the tub.

[kissdadookie]

btw, many brands who "make" whey proteins tubs, put the aminogram of the RAW whey protein.. and not what you are getting (60%-75% or whatever..) on the tub.

I don't understand what is so difficult to understand here. I'm suggesting that a amino acid profile will give you a food idea if the product is fluffing the protein count with nonsense AA fillers like glycine and taurine. Simple as that. Nobody is suggesting to know the ratios and contents of the protein blend.

What TMac also mentioned is valid as well, if a company really is fluffing the protein count with heavy glycine and taurine or even betaine content, you can be pretty darn sure that the company is not stupid enough to put an amino acid profile on the label.

[PricePlow]

Thus I stated that the best we could hope for is a AA profile, I didn't say that it's probably going to come with one. Why are we essentially nitpicking at this point, let's all just carry on.

I agree with your points in this thread, but the nitpicking is because I think of the 16 year old kid out there who doesn't know how to read a label as well as we do. He'll buy this because his idol Arnold is on the label, and in his eyes, the man can do no wrong.

That kid at least deserves to get dietary protein for his money. That is all.

[kissdadookie]

I agree with your points in this thread, but the nitpicking is because I think of the 16 year old kid out there who doesn't know how to read a label as well as we do. He'll buy this because his idol Arnold is on the label, and in his eyes, the man can do no wrong.

That kid at least deserves to get dietary protein for his money. That is all.

I would agree with this as well.

[frosty415]

I agree with your points in this thread, but the nitpicking is because I think of the 16 year old kid out there who doesn't know how to read a label as well as we do. He'll buy this because his idol Arnold is on the label, and in his eyes, the man can do no wrong.

That kid at least deserves to get dietary protein for his money. That is all.

Agreed as well... All these years without Arnold having his own supp line and when he finally gets one... It's a disappointment