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    L-Arginine vs Creatine Nitrate for Pumps

    It's recognized that the main products for Pumps contain Arginine and other amino acids. But lately I've been looking at posts of people mentioning that they got faster and greater Pump results with Creatine Nitrate.

    Hopefully someone who has tried both would notice this thread and give his experience.
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    Arginine hands down
    no other supplement has stood the test of time AND have numerous scientific backed studies showing its efficacy.
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    Creatine nitrate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Arginine.
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    Interesting that arginine is still recommended around here. After all it was this board that aware'd me of the failure of arginine supplements in regards to eliciting N.O improvements.

    Go with nitrates, Any day over arginine.
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    Nitrates hands down
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    Originally Posted by Polyamorous0 View Post
    Interesting that arginine is still recommended around here. After all it was this board that aware'd me of the failure of arginine supplements in regards to eliciting N.O improvements.

    Go with nitrates, Any day over arginine.
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    Originally Posted by Meatie View Post
    Arginine hands down
    no other supplement has stood the test of time AND have numerous scientific backed studies showing its efficacy.
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    Not even close creatine nitrate
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    as suggested, nitrates beat out arginine. Wasn't arginine proven to not help with n.o levels?
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    Creatine nitrate vs. potassium nitrate?
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    Originally Posted by eatyourspinach View Post
    Creatine nitrate vs. potassium nitrate?
    They will yield the same results in terms of nitrate based results. However it takes roughly 2x as much creatine nitrate to reach the same level of nitrates when compared to potassium nitrate. 2g of creatine nitrate yields roughly 600mg of nitrate, while 1g of potassium nitrate will yield the same amount.
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    Originally Posted by cjwav34 View Post
    They will yield the same results in terms of nitrate based results. However it takes roughly 2x as much creatine nitrate to reach the same level of nitrates when compared to potassium nitrate. 2g of creatine nitrate yields roughly 600mg of nitrate, while 1g of potassium nitrate will yield the same amount.
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    So potassium nitrate is worth the extra money?
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    Originally Posted by eatyourspinach View Post
    So potassium nitrate is worth the extra money?
    Potassium nitrate is a fraction of the cost of creatine nitrate. I've seen 500g of food grade KNO3 go for around $15.

    If you're looking for a nitrate product that would be my recommendation.
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    Originally Posted by eatyourspinach View Post
    So potassium nitrate is worth the extra money?
    Not sure if srs. Nutriguard PN is so cheap that I just leave it out for all my roommates to use.

    Its like $12 for 120 workouts at 3 caps (457.5mg of nitrates)
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    Originally Posted by tmd17 View Post
    Not sure if srs. Nutriguard PN is so cheap that I just leave it out for all my roommates to use.

    Its like $12 for 120 workouts at 3 caps (292.5mg of nitrates)
    Three caps is actually ~450mg of nitrate. The old calculation was wrong.
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    nitrates, agmatine, glycerol monostearate

    are the 3 things that I think really reaalllllly work for pumps and worth the $. Personally, Hemavol is my favorite pump product ive ever used. insane energy and the best pumps ive ever had
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    Originally Posted by iForce Dave View Post
    nitrates, agmatine, glycerol monostearate

    are the 3 things that I think really reaalllllly work for pumps and worth the $. Personally, Hemavol is my favorite pump product ive ever used. insane energy and the best pumps ive ever had

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    Originally Posted by iForce Dave View Post
    nitrates, agmatine, glycerol monostearate

    are the 3 things that I think really reaalllllly work for pumps and worth the $. Personally, Hemavol is my favorite pump product ive ever used. insane energy and the best pumps ive ever had
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    Add in Citrulline and I agree.
    Add some carbs
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    Originally Posted by Bequi View Post
    ^^^^ Agmatine, and nitrates. Scrap Arginine
    I'm still waiting on studies on agmatine and human performance/pumps. Love how everyone is on the agmatine bandwagon, but disses arginine, despite the fact it has actual studies in humans showing benefit (and some not).

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    Originally Posted by poison View Post
    I'm still waiting on studies on agmatine and human performance/pumps. Love how everyone is on the agmatine bandwagon, but disses arginine, despite the fact it has actual studies in humans showing benefit (and some not).

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    Could the agmatine pumps just be a placebo effect? Because if they are....... Damn! That's one strong placebo effect!
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    Originally Posted by Chunkx View Post
    Could the agmatine pumps just be a placebo effect? Because if they are....... Damn! That's one strong placebo effect!
    Same could be said for arginine. Only difference is some studies back the effect up, and exponentially more people agree that arginine increases pumps, over years of use. This is as opposed to agmatine, which has no studies on performance or pumps in trained/training humans, and it was out for years with ****ty reviews. Man blueprint bombed.
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    Originally Posted by cjwav34 View Post
    Three caps is actually ~450mg of nitrate. The old calculation was wrong.
    Found your thread from back in May, thanks. Those cheeky kunts at Nutriguard...

    Originally Posted by AlphaNOmega
    ...molecular weight of potassium is 39.0983 g/mol and nitrate is 62.0049 g/mol. Total weight of potassium nitrate is 101.1032 g/mol. The FDA requires you to put the amount of potassium (by itself based on molecular weight) separately. 97.5mg divided by 250 mg is 39...there is EXACTLY 250 mg of potassium nitrate per capsule. it YIELDS approximately 97.5 mg of potassium and 152.5 mg of nitrates.
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