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    Question APRE: The Fastest Way to Get Strong

    h t t p : / / articles.elitefts.com/training-articles/sports-training/apre-the-fastest-way-to-get-strong/ (can't post links yet)

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    you've been here for 3 years and still can't make leave a link?
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    Originally Posted by naich View Post
    you've been here for 3 years and still can't make leave a link?
    you can't embed links until you reach 50 posts, unless you put an "s" after http
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    Pretty much... My first post was about 2 weeks ago.
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    Originally Posted by getout87 View Post
    you can't embed links until you reach 50 posts, unless you put an "s" after http
    Really? That's interesting to know. Granted, that isn't necessarily going to work as an actual link, but most fairly sizable websites have a TLS certificate and serve https links, so in general that should work
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    Uses key words like magic, fastest, and everyone's favorite phrase "Scientifically Proven". That isn't an article, it's an ad. So athletes should autoregulate and coaches should give ranges, mind blowing stuff.
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    Originally Posted by mattdajani View Post
    Uses key words like magic, fastest, and everyone's favorite phrase "Scientifically Proven". That isn't an article, it's an ad. So athletes should autoregulate and coaches should give ranges, mind blowing stuff.
    Thanks for the reply. This is what I was looking for. I assumed EFS was just trying to sell their ebook, but I was curious a out what they were even talking about with that description.
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    Originally Posted by kmc06005 View Post
    Thanks for the reply. This is what I was looking for. I assumed EFS was just trying to sell their ebook, but I was curious a out what they were even talking about with that description.
    they probably also want you to buy their latest 10 specialty bars that they "invented"... and a good morning machine.
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    Originally Posted by kmc06005 View Post
    h t t p : / / articles.elitefts.com/training-articles/sports-training/apre-the-fastest-way-to-get-strong/ (can't post links yet)

    Your thoughts?
    Here's a study abstract (done by the author of the book) that basically says in a group of 20 or so athletes over two different 6 week periods the apre group increased their bench and squat more than the linear progression group.

    I'm sure the book has a few example program templates set up but if this is just a 5/3/1-esque "do this for your main work then follow it with the same basic accessory work you'd use for any upper/lower split"

    Its pretty much what juggernaut programs in for each week. So now the 30$ e-book hierarchy of auto regulation progression based on frequency from low to high would be 5/3/1---> Juggernaut method---> APRE.

    If you get 3 reps over your 3RM training weight add 5-10 lbs per rep and do another set. The example shown is similar to 5/3/1 set/rep wise. Set 1= 50% Set 2=75% Set 3= training weight + (your main work set amrap) then depending on your reps a 4th set with set 3 weight+x based on your extra reps.

    I have not read the e-book so there may well be a lot more to it than this but based on a quick google search this is the info I found.
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    Considering it takes years to make any real progress who cares which one is the fastest way?
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    Originally Posted by hammerfelt View Post
    Considering it takes years to make any real progress who cares which one is the fastest way?
    Exactly!
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    Great post RP, thanks!

    Originally Posted by hammerfelt View Post
    Considering it takes years to make any real progress who cares which one is the fastest way?
    Hammer, I'm with you. I feel like a lot of people are throwing a lot of science around when people have been getting stronger by picking up progressively heavier things for thousands of years. Of course I understand being completely obsessed with something and wanting to know everything about it as well. I don't fault those that get into the anatomy and physiology of strength sports, it's just not for me.

    Maybe if I'm ever strong enough where I need one of these routines, someone will be nice enough to explain it to me.
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    Originally Posted by hammerfelt View Post
    Considering it takes years to make any real progress who cares which one is the fastest way?
    I was just talking to a nail. He said his head was sore and told you to stop hitting it.
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    Originally Posted by Retardo-pex View Post
    Here's a study abstract (done by the author of the book) that basically says in a group of 20 or so athletes over two different 6 week periods the apre group increased their bench and squat more than the linear progression group.

    I'm sure the book has a few example program templates set up but if this is just a 5/3/1-esque "do this for your main work then follow it with the same basic accessory work you'd use for any upper/lower split"

    Its pretty much what juggernaut programs in for each week. So now the 30$ e-book hierarchy of auto regulation progression based on frequency from low to high would be 5/3/1---> Juggernaut method---> APRE.

    If you get 3 reps over your 3RM training weight add 5-10 lbs per rep and do another set. The example shown is similar to 5/3/1 set/rep wise. Set 1= 50% Set 2=75% Set 3= training weight + (your main work set amrap) then depending on your reps a 4th set with set 3 weight+x based on your extra reps.

    I have not read the e-book so there may well be a lot more to it than this but based on a quick google search this is the info I found.
    I don't see a link to the abstract you are referencing, however about a year ago I did a research summary on an APRE experiment as it was the only experiment with auto-regulation and strength training I could find. The S&C coach wouldn't allow pre-1RM testing for the experiment as the athletes had just started their off-season training. So despite the fact that the APRE group tested slightly stronger, the "pre-test" numbers were from a year ago, which meant there were 46 weeks worth of unaccounted fluctuating strength levels in the test groups. I am not bashing the guys who did the experiments as they did the best job with the conditions they had. The study serves as justification for further, more detailed and controlled studies on auto-regulation and strength training.

    However, referencing that study as scientific proof of extraordinary claims is ridiculously.
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