need a great pre workout without creatine

[yoimjohn]

assault is good, but it has creatine.
c4 is good, but it has creatine.

reason why i cant have creatine is because i have had arthroscopic hip surgery, n have a weak legs at the moment, so the extra weight creatine tackles on is very noticable and causes pain in my hips. but when i come off of it the pain subsides.

i figure i need to weight for my legs to be alot stronger like they used to be when i played junior hockey before i take a supplement that seems to add 5-10 in only a couple of days. i know creatine is suppose to build up, but swear i notice a difference ASAP, maybe genetics?

i like creatine though, i just cannot have it till im ready, kinda sucks but oh well.

any suggestions of preworkouts without creatine but with good pumps, n a little less stimmed then c4? assault wasnt heavily stimmed, but then again i felt the beta-alanine like crazy, if that is safe, expected and studied then im okay with beta-alinine

[powercage]

assault is good, but it has creatine.
c4 is good, but it has creatine.

reason why i cant have creatine is because i have had arthroscopic hip surgery, n have a weak legs at the moment, so the extra weight creatine tackles on is very noticable and causes pain in my hips. but when i come off of it the pain subsides.

i figure i need to weight for my legs to be alot stronger like they used to be when i played junior hockey before i take a supplement that seems to add 5-10 in only a couple of days. i know creatine is suppose to build up, but swear i notice a difference ASAP, maybe genetics?

i like creatine though, i just cannot have it till im ready, kinda sucks but oh well.


Beta alanine is safe
any suggestions of preworkouts without creatine but with good pumps, n a little less stimmed then c4? assault wasnt heavily stimmed, but then again i felt the beta-alanine like crazy, if that is safe, expected and studied then im okay with beta-alinine

White Flood Reborn is going to be one of your best bets

Beta alanine is safe

[SilencedKnight]

White Flood Reborn is going to be one of your best bets

Beta alanine is safe

agreed white flood has been one of my longtime favorite pre workouts

[yoimjohn]

White Flood Reborn is going to be one of your best bets

Beta alanine is safe

yes i forgot the actual name of white flood so i couldnt mention it at first.
the problem with white flood is that ive had it and takin it, it gave me beyond terrible stomach aches. n made me feel sick. i was also on pain medication at the time cymbalta. but im off of that now. i think its very possible they had a reaction with eachother. but maybe i could give it a try again, but id rather a sample before i buy it n throw it out

ill deff try to get samples n give white flood another couple go's but any other good options?

[powercage]

yes i forgot the actual name of white flood so i couldnt mention it at first.
the problem with white flood is that ive had it and takin it, it gave me beyond terrible stomach aches. n made me feel sick. i was also on pain medication at the time cymbalta. but im off of that now. i think its very possible they had a reaction with eachother. but maybe i could give it a try again, but id rather a sample before i buy it n throw it out

ill deff try to get samples n give white flood another couple go's but any other good options?

There is a new version out called White Flood Reborn. Works even better and shouldn't give you any stomach issues

[The Solution]

assault is good, but it has creatine.
c4 is good, but it has creatine.

reason why i cant have creatine is because i have had arthroscopic hip surgery, n have a weak legs at the moment, so the extra weight creatine tackles on is very noticable and causes pain in my hips. but when i come off of it the pain subsides.

i figure i need to weight for my legs to be alot stronger like they used to be when i played junior hockey before i take a supplement that seems to add 5-10 in only a couple of days. i know creatine is suppose to build up, but swear i notice a difference ASAP, maybe genetics?

i like creatine though, i just cannot have it till im ready, kinda sucks but oh well.

any suggestions of preworkouts without creatine but with good pumps, n a little less stimmed then c4? assault wasnt heavily stimmed, but then again i felt the beta-alanine like crazy, if that is safe, expected and studied then im okay with beta-alinine

If you enjoyed c4 how about Cellucor's Nzero? Its the creatine free pre-workout
160mg Caffeine
Beta-Alanine
Arganine Nitrates
Norvaline
and CM in the formula. a very good pre-workout.


CL White Flood Reborn is legit i loved it when i tried it cant go wrong with either.

[E_P_C]

assault is good, but it has creatine.
c4 is good, but it has creatine.

reason why i cant have creatine is because i have had arthroscopic hip surgery, n have a weak legs at the moment, so the extra weight creatine tackles on is very noticable and causes pain in my hips. but when i come off of it the pain subsides.

i figure i need to weight for my legs to be alot stronger like they used to be when i played junior hockey before i take a supplement that seems to add 5-10 in only a couple of days. i know creatine is suppose to build up, but swear i notice a difference ASAP, maybe genetics?

i like creatine though, i just cannot have it till im ready, kinda sucks but oh well.

any suggestions of preworkouts without creatine but with good pumps, n a little less stimmed then c4? assault wasnt heavily stimmed, but then again i felt the beta-alanine like crazy, if that is safe, expected and studied then im okay with beta-alinine

not a chance in hell creatine adds 5-10lbs in a couple of days

[Jared.P]

AppNut UnCut and RPM, or if you want stim free magnum opus is creatine free as well. The best thing i think is to talk to your doc though. you seem to have a lot of medications and other things goin on right now, and i feel any supplementation has the potential to cause adverse effects. Use this time to get your diet and training in order, and when you're all better then look into a pre you like, that may or may not contain creatine.

best wishes op

[ajvitan]

assault is good, but it has creatine.
c4 is good, but it has creatine.

reason why i cant have creatine is because i have had arthroscopic hip surgery, n have a weak legs at the moment, so the extra weight creatine tackles on is very noticable and causes pain in my hips. but when i come off of it the pain subsides.

i figure i need to weight for my legs to be alot stronger like they used to be when i played junior hockey before i take a supplement that seems to add 5-10 in only a couple of days. i know creatine is suppose to build up, but swear i notice a difference ASAP, maybe genetics?

i like creatine though, i just cannot have it till im ready, kinda sucks but oh well.

any suggestions of preworkouts without creatine but with good pumps, n a little less stimmed then c4? assault wasnt heavily stimmed, but then again i felt the beta-alanine like crazy, if that is safe, expected and studied then im okay with beta-alinine

White Flood Reborn
Uncut
RPM
Origin

Those are stimmed prewo's I really like w/o creatine.

[TheFugitive]

G-Fuel contains zero creatine

[yoimjohn]

AppNut UnCut and RPM, or if you want stim free magnum opus is creatine free as well. The best thing i think is to talk to your doc though. you seem to have a lot of medications and other things goin on right now, and i feel any supplementation has the potential to cause adverse effects. Use this time to get your diet and training in order, and when you're all better then look into a pre you like, that may or may not contain creatine.

best wishes op

i never said i am currently on medication

[sg_ballin]

The new one called "volt" or something like that just came out without creatine

[Jeff the Repper]

AppNut UnCut and RPM, or if you want stim free magnum opus is creatine free as well. The best thing i think is to talk to your doc though. you seem to have a lot of medications and other things goin on right now, and i feel any supplementation has the potential to cause adverse effects. Use this time to get your diet and training in order, and when you're all better then look into a pre you like, that may or may not contain creatine.

best wishes op

White Flood Reborn
Uncut
RPM
Origin

Those are stimmed prewo's I really like w/o creatine.

G-Fuel contains zero creatine

Great choices ^^^ here, If you are interested in giving Uncut a go, shoot me your mailing info and I'll get you some samples out to try for yourself.

[ComputerHabit]

Amino Energy is really good. Great flavors and decent dosage. You can adjust how much you want.