The Jewish chat thread 1

[spadelexus]

What/who is Hashem in Judaism?

Just another way to say God.

[primetime32]

What/who is Hashem in Judaism?

The name Hashem is a substitute for the name of god (Jehovah or other variations). Many orthodox jews believe it is forbidden to say god's name in vein, so they say Hashem (translates to "the name") instead. Hashem is simply God, much like the word Allah is the word used for God to Muslims.

Some may disagree, but I don't think there is a difference between the "Jewish God" and the Muslim or Christian god. It's just that Christians think Jesus was the messiah and Muslims think Mohammed was the final prophet of God (the same God Jews/Christians/Muslims pray to). That is my simplistic understanding of the situation and perhaps others would be able to shed more light on the subject.

[TranceNRG]

Just another way to say God.

That's interesting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banu_Hashim

It was into the house 'Abd al-Muttalib of Banu Hashim of Quraysh that Muhammad was born. At the age of 40, his establishment of Islam set him at odds with the established powers in Makkah. His membership of the 'top house, of the top clan' (in terms of prestige, though not power) was a factor in keeping him safe from assassination during the early years of his mission, as a number of his uncles would not countenance any such insult to their clan honour.

http://www.al-islam.org/restatement-...im-birth-islam

The grandfather of Mohammed(Abdul Muttalib), and his lineal ancestors, appear in foreign and domestic transactions as the princes of their country; but they reigned, like Percales at Athens, or the Medics at Florence, by the opinion of their wisdom and integrity; their influence was divided with their patrimony.

The tribe of Koreish, by fraud or force (sic), had acquired the custody of the Kaaba; the sacerdotal office devolved through four lineal descents to the grandfather of Mohammed; and the family of Hashemites, from whence he sprang, was the most respectable and sacred in the eyes of their country.

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As noted before, the city of Makkah, like the rest of Arabia, was without a government and without a ruler, but it was dominated by the tribe of Quraysh. Quraysh was composed of twelve clans, and Banu Hashim was one of them. Reacting to the depravity of the times, the members of Banu Hashim, were prompted, a half-century before the birth of Muhammad, to make some tentative efforts to arrest the moral decline of the Arabs and to improve the social, economic and intellectual climate of the country.

They, therefore, forged the League of the Virtuous. The major aims of the League were to prevent wars from breaking out and to protect the weak and the defenseless from their enemies.

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Both the League of the Virtuous and the caravan trade were unquestionably great gifts of the Banu Hashim to the Arabs. But their greatest gift, not only to the Arabs, but to the whole world, was going to be the child to be called Muhammad, the son of Abdullah ibn Abdul Muttalib and Amina bint Wahab.

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The Banu Hashim were destined to be the bulwark of Islam. God Himself chose them for this glorious destiny. Ibn Khaldun, the famous historian and sociologist, writes in his Muqaddimah (Prolegomena) that all true prophets must enjoy the support of some powerful group. This support, he says, is necessary, because it serves as a buffer that protects them against their antagonists and gives them a measure of security without which they cannot carry out their Divine mission.

In the case of Muhammad, the Prophet of Islam, the Banu Hashim constituted the “powerful group” that protected him from the malevolence of the Banu Umayya, provided him security and enabled him to carry out his Divine mission.Abdul Muttalib had ten sons. Four of them became famous in history.

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[uwootm8]

That's interesting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banu_Hashim



http://www.al-islam.org/restatement-...im-birth-islam

Link seems unlikely between the Hebrew and the Arabic, as "Hashim" was an actual guy who actually existed and was the founder of the banu hashim.

[TranceNRG]

Link seems unlikely between the Hebrew and the Arabic, as "Hashim" was an actual guy who actually existed and was the founder of the banu hashim.

What link?

Is this an interesting random coincidence? Or something more? I don't know.

[uwootm8]

What link?

Is this an interesting random coincidence? Or something more? I don't know.

I meant that there's no link between the Arabic tribe "banu Hashim" and the Hebrew word "hashim" :P

Considering that the children of Hashim actually descend from a dude called Hashim, and knowing even the arabs they would not name themselves 'God' even if their language is similar to Hebrew.

[transformerchad]

Chag Sameach

[spadelexus]

One of the comments was pretty funny saying the boycott Israel losers wouldn't even be able to locate Israel on a map.




http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014...ents-are-away/

[spadelexus]

I meant that there's no link between the Arabic tribe "banu Hashim" and the Hebrew word "hashim" :P

Considering that the children of Hashim actually descend from a dude called Hashim, and knowing even the arabs they would not name themselves 'God' even if their language is similar to Hebrew.

Noahs son was named "Shem" and from him the "Semitic" people and languages are derived, but the "shem" in Hashem only means "name" so I think its plausible that other Semitic languages could use the word "shem" without it being seen as idolatrous ... There was a famous Rabbi called Baal "Shem" tov. "ha shem" is only used in conversation as a way to identify God since using the names of God from the Torah are only to be used when praying and reading torah.

What does Hashim mean?

[Footballguru]

chag samaeach all

[jtime51]

Ayy chag sameach! Does anyone know about any kosher for Passover protein powder?

[Footballguru]

Ayy chag sameach! Does anyone know about any kosher for Passover protein powder?

doubt it exists officially OUP. Would just go with chicken breast mate

[jbball92]

its passover yall! time to get fukked up!















semi srs

#reform

[JoeyTS]

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=161340193

[TranceNRG]

[Footballguru]

its passover yall! time to get fukked up!















semi srs

#reform

one up you brah

[MuzzieChik786]

Hello, hello..

Happy Belated Passover.

Do Jewish people still believe that Ezra is the son of God? I was reciting the Qur'an this morning and came across this verse:

Quran 9:30 - The Jews say, "Ezra is the son of Allah "; and the Christians say, "The Messiah is the son of Allah ." That is their statement from their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved [before them].

Trying to understand.

[primetime32]

Hello, hello..

Happy Belated Passover.

Do Jewish people still believe that Ezra is the son of God? I was reciting the Qur'an this morning and came across this verse:



Trying to understand.

Jews never believed that Ezra was the son of god. Although, the Quran may have been referring to a few random Jews that believed so.

[Keseff]

Hello, hello..

Happy Belated Passover.

Do Jewish people still believe that Ezra is the son of God? I was reciting the Qur'an this morning and came across this verse:



Trying to understand.

They never did. It was always interpreted metaphorically for someone who is righteous.

Why? Context. In Judaism this term has a different meaning then it has in Islam or Christianity.

[MuzzieChik786]

Jews never believed that Ezra was the son of god. Although, the Quran may have been referring to a few random Jews that believed so.

So it was believed by some Jews at the time? Who was that group? Were they like a faction or something?

They never did. It was always interpreted metaphorically for someone who is righteous.

Why? Context. In Judaism this term has a different meaning then it has in Islam or Christianity.

Term? The one used to describe son of God? Could it mean Messiah?

[johnnycomehome]

So it was believed by some Jews at the time? Who was that group? Were they like a faction or something?



Term? The one used to describe son of God? Could it mean Messiah?

No.

[Keseff]

Jews never believed that Ezra was the son of god. Although, the Quran may have been referring to a few random Jews that believed so.

Yes, it's plausible that some small Jewish communities in the Arab peninsula held that idea, influenced by Islam.

[MuzzieChik786]

Yes, it's plausible that some small Jewish communities in the Arab peninsula held that idea, influenced by Islam.

Islam would have influenced the Jews to believe in a son of God? Huh? Not following, female here, talk slooowwly.

[Keseff]

Islam would have influenced the Jews to believe in a son of God? Huh? Not following, female here, talk slooowwly.

Ah, my bad. Influenced by Christianity, but living in the Arab peninsula.

[MuzzieChik786]

Ah, my bad. Influenced by Christianity, but living in the Arab peninsula.

Uh huh, yea. So there are NO groups that believe there is a son of God among the Jews currently? Just making sure. My only Jewish friend said although there are some differences in belief among Jews (just like in Muslims) there is none that still believe in that particular concept.

Thanks for the answers guys.

[Keseff]

Term? The one used to describe son of God? Could it mean Messiah?

In Judaism a coming 'messiah' would not be a son of God.

Uh huh, yea. So there are NO groups that believe there is a son of God among the Jews currently? Just making sure. My only Jewish friend said although there are some differences in belief among Jews (just like in Muslims) there is none that still believe in that particular concept.

Thanks for the answers guys.

When speaking about Ezra, no.

Uzayr - most often identified with the Judeo-Christian Ezra (عزير, 'Uzair) - is a figure mentioned in the Qur'an, in the verse 9:30, which states that he was revered by the Jews as "the son of God". Historically, Muslim scholars have interpreted this verse as referring to a small group of Jews making such a reverence.

But most likely that verse interpreted the 'son of God' reference in Jewish scripture as literal.

[johnnycomehome]

In Judaism a coming 'messiah' would not be a son of God.

This

This is a Christian concept not a Jewish concept

[primetime32]

So it was believed by some Jews at the time? Who was that group? Were they like a faction or something?

Your guess is as good as mine. The Quran, like all ancient history books (like the Bible and New Testament) are based, in part, on some truth ( i would suspect). Could it have been a group of thousands or a group of hundreds or just a few random fringe Jews? No way of truly knowing.

[spadelexus]

Hello, hello..

Happy Belated Passover.

Do Jewish people still believe that Ezra is the son of God? I was reciting the Qur'an this morning and came across this verse:



Trying to understand.

The word "messiah" comes from the Hebrew "moshiach" ..." Moshiach" literally means "the anointed" as in anointed with oil. Kind David was anointed with oil when he became king.

The mosiah is pretty much the chosen of the chosen. Jewish mystics believe the mosiah comes in every generation, but he will not be revealed until the right time.

What Kesef said or may be some reference to "children of god" metaphor.

[access1denied]

In Judaism a coming 'messiah' would not be a son of God.

Tehillim says some fascinating things when talking about God's son. In Psalms, God's son is a title usually given to the King of Israel, which of course means God's son is also the son of David. This king of Israel, son of God, and son of David does regular kingly stuff such as ruling and conquering, but also does some things that humans aren't supposed to do such as receiving worship. Psalm 2:7, 8, 9 refers to the king, also then referred to as the son (of God), and then mentions that this king/son had been begotten by God. Psalm 45:6, 7 says, "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; a scepter of uprightness is the scepter of Your kingdom. You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You with the oil of joy above Your fellows." God's throne is forever and ever, He has loved righteousness and hated wickedness, and thus God, his God, anoints Him. Huh!

It's pretty neat stuff.