Seth Feroce?

[203mh]

Anyone know his deal? 2010 he came out and won his pro debut at the Europa Dallas, 2011 he took off then 2012 he was off both contests he entered...a while ago over at MD I read he's done with the sport because Hany Rambod ruined his kidneys.... sucks if true.

[TTimmerman]

no idea man, hope to see him come back though! loved his videos

[Lynch93]

Last I herd he was contemplating retiring.

[Larfleeze]

Can't remember the last time I heard anything positive about Hany, seems to have gained a bit of a bad rep as of late. Farah must be loving it.

[DOC]

I hope hes not blaming his "coach" for ruining his kidneys

[xStevenx]

I hope hes not blaming his "coach" for ruining his kidneys

There is a thread on another forum, an undercover IFBB pro talked about this.

He said the diuretic protocol he had Seth on almost killed him. Seth kept telling Hany he wasn't feeling good, wasnt looking good and apparently Hany just said to essentially man up.

[x800venom]

Between hearing this and political bull**** that went on at the Europa placings between Essa and Steve.....

[DOC]

There is a thread on another forum, an undercover IFBB pro talked about this.

He said the diuretic protocol he had Seth on almost killed him. Seth kept telling Hany he wasn't feeling good, wasnt looking good and apparently Hany just said to essentially man up.

im sure he did, and seth should have told him to get fakked unless Hany was sneaking into his house while he was asleep and shooting him up unknowingly Seth always has the final say as to what goes into his body and for him to blame someone else is a chickenshiat move.

[NVious]

I hope hes not blaming his "coach" for ruining his kidneys

It sucks, Seth is a great guy and I hope it's not true, but he also took on that coach after I'm sure he heard rumors of him being a big supplement pusher AND then he still followed his instructions.

I don't think this is the last we've seen of Seth, I think he'll taper things back for a year or two and then make a comeback. I still think he can be a top 212 guy if he wants.

[MrMetabolism]

these guys put alot of faith/trust into their coaches to know whats best for them... sucks for seth he listened to the wrong guy... staying healthy is key to being competitive in this sport

[masthead716]

I was wondering the same thing...Huge fan of his (sig) and would love to get an update.

[xStevenx]

these guys put alot of faith/trust into their coaches to know whats best for them... sucks for seth he listened to the wrong guy... staying healthy is key to being competitive in this sport

and the scary thing is...these coaches...not all but Hany...I dont think he has ever competed. Am I correct? He just knows the body and chemistry essentially. So when one of his guys says they don't feel right, him saying to just deal with it is irresponsible.

[NVious]

I was wondering the same thing...Huge fan of his (sig) and would love to get an update.

He was prepping for the NYP (there was a video on RX), but he dropped out in what seems to be health concerns.

[MrMetabolism]

and the scary thing is...these coaches...not all but Hany...I dont think he has ever competed. Am I correct? He just knows the body and chemistry essentially. So when one of his guys says they don't feel right, him saying to just deal with it is irresponsible.

i heard he was chad nichols assistant during the ronnie era... so he essentially knows nothing but what he parroted from chad, hes got plenty of experience by now for sure but knowledge??? idk

[patbanya]

and the scary thing is...these coaches...not all but Hany...I dont think he has ever competed. Am I correct? He just knows the body and chemistry essentially. So when one of his guys says they don't feel right, him saying to just deal with it is irresponsible.

Phil once posted that Hany has competitive experience in natural bodybuilding. Unfortunately, the thread was deleted so the quote no longer exists. He's also made some other statements in his defense.

Given your age, imma let this slide as you clearly have no knowledge whatsoever on who Hany has had as a client and who he has turned pro, let alone the titles in the pros including Olympias both men and women have. I will say that you are entitled to your opinion, however, you continuously bash without any proof. Hany has easily been the most consistent with his clients, than probably any trainer in the business for well over 10yrs, but hey you weren't even a teenager then so how would you know. If you go by the facts, which are titles and how people have looked, you'll definitely sing another tune, or not and just continue to bring up rubbish trying to validate your "opinion" and not fact.

I only stand by Hany because of how much attention to detail he has had with me along with many other athletes. You'll easily say, "well its Phil Heath, he doesn't need a diet he's 'gifted'" but that is far from it as we both have worked extremely hard to bring a new improved physique EVERY SHOW (excluding '09 Olympia i got sick). You'd also be surprised on how many Pros have wanted to come back to Hany after they've worked with other trainers, which tells you one thing, that Hany's methods worked. Now I am not bashing other trainers, but for you to make it seem like Hany's inconsistent is completely ignorant and I have no choice but to assume that you're just trolling or down right hatin...your choice. Lastly, athletes have to do the work and execute their trainer's gameplan, which many do and some do not, but easily on more than one occasion has Hany Rambod given the goods.

Now if you excuse me, I've gotta call Hany and talk about how we are going to be consistent yet again!

I think just me and Lionel. I honestly don't even know nor ask people he works with as I'm so busy with my own stuff.

What's also cool that people didn't know is that Hany has also worked with people outside of bodybuilding in the 2012 Olympics along with former NFL Players. I'll stop making Hany look so good, as he might someday read this and get a big head and decide to up my rate lol!

[dom1987]

im sure he did, and seth should have told him to get fakked unless Hany was sneaking into his house while he was asleep and shooting him up unknowingly Seth always has the final say as to what goes into his body and for him to blame someone else is a chickenshiat move.

Whats the point in hiring a coach if your not going to listen to there advice?

[x800venom]

Seth should have listened to his body and his gut feeling, Hany should have taken Seth's concern more seriously...what else is there to discuss really? Everybody knows this sport it unhealthy....it is what it is

[littlemike23]

Seth has said he isnt retiring. just taking time off

[MaKaiser]

Whats the point in hiring a coach if your not going to listen to there advice?

So say you hired me as your coach.

I tell you take this stuff you know next to nothing about twice daily for a week before a contest.

For the first four days your taking this and feel somewhat ok.

In the fith day it causes you to feel like your about to die.

On the sixth day I tell you to stop being a stanky little queef and keep on doing what I'm saying.

Your telling me, despite you being the only person who truly knows their body and knowing that it just felt wrong the day before, that you would continue taking what I was recommending?

Honestly some people are so borderline mentally retarded that it makes me want to go down to their house, take their extra large keyboard for their retard fingers and beat them senseless with it.

[Wzn]

So say you hired me as your coach.

You make it sound so easy, but its not.

Imagine if it was your first competition and your first experience with that compound.
You dont know how it should feel, or not feel. Being at 2-3% bodyfat makes you feel like **** as it is, it feels like your dying already.
But, you have a reputable coach at your side, who has brought numerous competators to pro-level. Obsiously you expect he knows his ****, and you WILL listen in that moment.
Years of training and months of dieting, yes you trust your coach. If you wouldnt, you shouldnt get a coach from the beginning.

Hany is a d*ck who told him to "suck it up".

[Flex500]

So say you hired me as your coach.

I tell you take this stuff you know next to nothing about twice daily for a week before a contest.

For the first four days your taking this and feel somewhat ok.

In the fith day it causes you to feel like your about to die.

On the sixth day I tell you to stop being a stanky little queef and keep on doing what I'm saying.

Your telling me, despite you being the only person who truly knows their body and knowing that it just felt wrong the day before, that you would continue taking what I was recommending?

Honestly some people are so borderline mentally retarded that it makes me want to go down to their house, take their extra large keyboard for their retard fingers and beat them senseless with it.

you are both right. This is why we do penalize coaches, professors, etc. people with power because they do have extra influence. Is there personally responsibility YES, YES, and YES!

But your example is quite simplistic.

Here is the more realistic example...

you pay $10,000-$15,000 for the coach a year. You are told it will hard, you will feel things you have never felt, you will feel like death...get ready for it because that is what you will feel like. To get to places you've never been you have to do and feel things you've never felt.

You are also told that from your coach "I have so much policital clout I can f*cking make you are f*cking break you but you won't ruin my reputation. I'll take you where you want to go but you need to decide right now are you in or are you out. Once you pay me this money and you are on my team you are locked in. You f*ck me and you get f*cked. I will ruin you, your reputation, and you will be f*cking done in this sport. You'll lose sponsors, you'll lose popularity, and you'll lose placings. It's no secret the money making part of this sport is political. You join me and my team and you are on the good side of that."



That is more or less how it goes...but that is pretty toned down and non aggressive compared to how it really goes. You have to remember you are investing thousands and thousands of dollars and when you get off track or questions...you get threatened.


Hany is known as the guy/guru who is on a huge power trip. He acts like he runs the sport and throws his "political clout" all over the place. His problem is that clout is getting less and less.



and we can't really pull much from what phil heath says. It would be like Tom Brady saying "oh shucks guys Bill B. is so nice to me"...well...no sh*t you're tom brady.

[MaKaiser]

you are both right. This is why we do penalize coaches, professors, etc. people with power because they do have extra influence. Is there personally responsibility YES, YES, and YES!

But your example is quite simplistic.

Here is the more realistic example...

you pay $10,000-$15,000 for the coach a year. You are told it will hard, you will feel things you have never felt, you will feel like death...get ready for it because that is what you will feel like. To get to places you've never been you have to do and feel things you've never felt.

You are also told that from your coach "I have so much policital clout I can f*cking make you are f*cking break you but you won't ruin my reputation. I'll take you where you want to go but you need to decide right now are you in or are you out. Once you pay me this money and you are on my team you are locked in. You f*ck me and you get f*cked. I will ruin you, your reputation, and you will be f*cking done in this sport. You'll lose sponsors, you'll lose popularity, and you'll lose placings. It's no secret the money making part of this sport is political. You join me and my team and you are on the good side of that."



That is more or less how it goes...but that is pretty toned down and non aggressive compared to how it really goes. You have to remember you are investing thousands and thousands of dollars and when you get off track or questions...you get threatened.


Hany is known as the guy/guru who is on a huge power trip. He acts like he runs the sport and throws his "political clout" all over the place. His problem is that clout is getting less and less.



and we can't really pull much from what phil heath says. It would be like Tom Brady saying "oh shucks guys Bill B. is so nice to me"...well...no sh*t you're tom brady.

Honestly though if it comes to a point when the athletes scared for his life then I think he should be smart enough to say **** you.

It isn't a hard diet or intense training like any other coach for any other sport is damn near forcing on his athletes.

Its copious amounts of very potent drugs.

[Flex500]

Honestly though if it comes to a point when the athletes scared for his life then I think he should be smart enough to say **** you.

It isn't a hard diet or intense training like any other coach for any other sport is damn near forcing on his athletes.

Its copious amounts of very potent drugs.

I agree which is why there is responsibility on both sides. But when this is your livelihood and someone is telling you "everyone feels like this, this is normal, this is what phil heath does, this is the sport, this is what you pay me for".

Not to mention they threaten you...it's just not as cut and dry as your first post. The guru's are in a position of extra power in many cases. Not when they are coaching phil heath or ronnie coleman or jay cutler...but when they are coaching some guy who has just turned pro and only been on stage a few times they sure are.

hany has a terrible reputation...bullying people, using politics to get what he wants, manipulating people, etc. I don't know what is true and what's not for sure but when 20 people all have the same stories it's hard not to believe some of it.


Like I said it is just different when you put yourself in the shoes of someone whose income comes from bodybuilding, their future, their dreams, how they support their family, etc Then you take a large chunk of that income to pay someone to guide you on that career. That person tells them what must be done and not only that but if they don't do it they are screwed and won't make any more money in the sport and that adviser will make sure of it.

It's no mystery of where the stories came from around seth not being able to stay on a diet, that he is difficult to work with, has a bad attitude, etc. came from.




seth is done now...I'd be shocked (but happy for him if he is healthy) if he ever competes again. Is a big chunk his fault for listening to Hany? Well sure...I'm with you. But if the stories on Hany are even 20% true he is a manipulative scumbag....I've heard that from way to many pro's and IFBB'ers for it not to be true.

where there is smoke there is fire and there is more smoke than an arizona wildfire on hany

[Flex500]

Honestly though if it comes to a point when the athletes scared for his life then I think he should be smart enough to say **** you.

I'm not saying this to give them a complete pass but you realize many athletes...scratch that...99% of pro athletes can't do this right?

NFL player after NFL player now are coming forward saying they had "major head issues", were scared for their life, would have "black out" times, etc. during their playing days but they didn't speak up because it could cost their livelihood.

[MaKaiser]

I'm not saying this to give them a complete pass but you realize many athletes...scratch that...99% of pro athletes can't do this right?

NFL player after NFL player now are coming forward saying they had "major head issues", were scared for their life, would have "black out" times, etc. during their playing days but they didn't speak up because it could cost their livelihood.

I could understand that in a sport where if you don't do what your coach tells you, your out.

Refusing to take enough diuretics to kill a large horse on the word of someone who from what I can see would have no power in your ability to compete or the judging is another thing.

Then again you know much more than me about the ins and outs of this sport.

Would a guy like Farah or Hany have any sway in how a show is judged?

[fretslayer]

There is a thread on another forum, an undercover IFBB pro talked about this.

He said the diuretic protocol he had Seth on almost killed him. Seth kept telling Hany he wasn't feeling good, wasnt looking good and apparently Hany just said to essentially man up.

Where is this thread? I have read the Undercover Pro posts on here, but they ended years ago.

I like Seth, there was all this hype and then he fell off the radar.

[Wzn]

Where is this thread? I have read the Undercover Pro posts on here, but they ended years ago.

I like Seth, there was all this hype and then he fell off the radar.

Blackstonelabs forum. I hope this isnt breaking any rules.

[Diesel293]

Seth is a super down to earth nice guy, I hope he's doing good.

[fretslayer]

Blackstonelabs forum. I hope this isnt breaking any rules.

Thanks!

[xStevenx]

Blackstonelabs forum. I hope this isnt breaking any rules.

I have read every page. Really kind of opens your eyes to the sport