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    How strict do you do side lateral raises

    With a bit of jerking or really strict?
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    I do them in a slow, controlled motion and make sure they go no higher than 90 degrees while not letting the DBs get completely to my sides on the bottom.
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    Originally Posted by PowerhouseGym10 View Post
    With a bit of jerking or really strict?

    Many years ago, I trained in the same gym with, among several other notables, two NPC-level competitors. I will always remember watching one of those guys, who had delts like cannon balls, as he did Lateral Raises. He stood in front of a mirror, one foot slightly in front of the other, and with a bit of a forward lean, slowly and methodically repping over and over, under full control, a pair of 25 -pound dumbbells with perfect form.
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    Unless you wanna snap some chit up use completely strict form on these.
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    Originally Posted by ironwill2008 View Post
    Many years ago, I trained in the same gym with, among several other notables, two NPC-level competitors. I will always remember watching one of those guys, who had delts like cannon balls, as he did Lateral Raises. He stood in front of a mirror, one foot slightly in front of the other, and with a bit of a forward lean, slowly and methodically repping over and over, under full control, a pair of 25 -pound dumbbells with perfect form.
    but what about weight progression its so hard on some isos espescially these
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    Strict enough so that i really feel the burn in my side delts.

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    but what about weight progression its so hard on some isos espescially these
    Progression will be slow and should be treated on more of a monthly basis, or every other week depending.

    Just remember that if you go up 5 lbs a month, you'll be doing laterals with 60s (or 60 heavier) after 1 year. Slow progression is fine.
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    Originally Posted by PowerhouseGym10 View Post
    but what about weight progression its so hard on some isos espescially these
    Given how little weight is used with proper form in this movement, adding one rep is a significant strength increase.

    Also keep in mind that your medial delts play a synergistic role in overhead press (more so the wider your grip) and a stabilizing role (and perhaps synergistic at the bottom of the ROM) on bench press.
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    I slightly lean forward when I do it while twisting my wrists at the top to mimic pouring a glass of water with no jerking or hip movements. I can only 20's though.
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    Originally Posted by Rasputin4 View Post
    Given how little weight is used with proper form in this movement, adding one rep is a significant strength increase.
    ^^^^ This.





    These small-muscle isolation exercises are much more 'feel' oriented than anything else. I hesitate to state that the weight "doesn't matter," but that's really the gist of it. If you could watch a 5' 11", 230ish-pound shredded bodybuilder using 25-pounders, you'd immediately get the message. Learn to feel the target muscle working, then work it thoroughly with good form.


    Hard to explain in words on a page, but you'll know it when you're doing it.
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    Originally Posted by ironwill2008 View Post
    ^^^^ This.




    These small-muscle isolation exercises are much more 'feel' oriented than anything else. I hesitate to state that the weight "doesn't matter," but that's really the gist of it. If you could watch a 5' 11", 230ish-pound shredded bodybuilder using 25-pounders, you'd immediately get the message. Learn to feel the target muscle working, then work it thoroughly with good form.


    Hard to explain in words on a page, but you'll know it when you're doing it.
    would using cables be wise to prevent cheating
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    Originally Posted by PowerhouseGym10 View Post
    would using cables be wise to prevent cheating
    It could be good, also it would help to maintain constant tension throughout the movement. Up to you I suppose.
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    No jerking, but my right shoulder clicks and I have to compromise form slightly to make it doable without the clicking.

    When I get near failure, I have a 5-10 second rest and again lift them to the top, if possible. It is easy to do many partial reps after going to failure on full range with this, it seems right to me to leave it 5-10 secs then lift to the top again. Shoulders just seem like those type of muscles, can recover pretty fast and be able to get one more rep.
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    Originally Posted by PowerhouseGym10 View Post
    would using cables be wise to prevent cheating
    Sure. A cable will also offer a better resistance curve than a dumbbell since even at the bottom of the motion, there's still a load pulling on the delt.
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    Of all my exercises, I feel laterals raises is the easiest one to get hurt without strict form. Even the slightest jerk can **** up your neck. I do these super strict and never go above 90 degrees
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    i actually do 3-4 sets of really strict form and on my 5 set i'll use a little bit of body movement to lift the weight up but i still get a nice good squeeze and hold at the top. i dont just swing it around either. i think kai green once said he uses cheat reps as well towards his last sets of an exercise but still holds the form tight and squeezes.
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    Originally Posted by ironwill2008 View Post
    Many years ago, I trained in the same gym with, among several other notables, two NPC-level competitors. I will always remember watching one of those guys, who had delts like cannon balls, as he did Lateral Raises. He stood in front of a mirror, one foot slightly in front of the other, and with a bit of a forward lean, slowly and methodically repping over and over, under full control, a pair of 25 -pound dumbbells with perfect form.
    You don't need a lot of weight, just make the muscle work. I like to pre exhaust my side delts sometimes before doing presses.
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    If I'm trying to get really strict with the movement I will lay sideways on an incline seat and you have no room for any cheating.
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    Strict is relative. I'm strict to the form that I see fit to properly work medial delts.
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