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    Will taking a caloric surplus but doing too much cardio reduce bulking progress?

    The title has it all.

    Will doing cardio burn protein too? And when it runs out of carbs, fats and proteins take protein from the muscles too?

    Baby questions most of you might think they are.
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    Originally Posted by Riva87 View Post
    The title has it all.

    Will doing cardio burn protein too? And when it runs out of carbs, fats and proteins take protein from the muscles too?

    Baby questions most of you might think they are.
    If your cardio takes you below you goal surplus, yes it will hinder your progress.
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    Originally Posted by Riva87 View Post
    The title has it all.

    Will doing cardio burn protein too? And when it runs out of carbs, fats and proteins take protein from the muscles too?

    Baby questions most of you might think they are.
    I also echo Sacramento's opinion. It is true.

    Cardio doesn't 'burn' protein btw.

    Cardio will burn your muscles if you are eating in a caloric deficit, all depending on steep it is and what program you're using.
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    I can chew faster than I can run, I bet you can to OP. Just track your progress and adjust intake as needed.

    If your stamina, energy are tanking a bit, move cardio away from training.

    Other than that party on.
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    IMO - you wouldn't be in surplus if you are doing "that much" cardio
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    Originally Posted by SacramentoZach View Post
    If your cardio takes you below you goal surplus, yes it will hinder your progress.
    Ah I see. Ty.
    So it's really not easy to gain muscles considerably and lose fat at the same time considerably is it? Yes I guess you can lose fat but anything at an advance level is risky because one would start consuming proteins and muscles if overdone.

    One last question from you is, is it advisable to do cardio at all for someone trying to gain and gain? And do advanced body builders refrain from doing cardio during gaining periods and only do cardio during the shedding stages?

    I usually workout during the morning before taking breakfast. And after resistance training do about 10 minutes of hiit on the eliptical machine. Works out for about 4-5 days a week. These days I do pre-exaustion on heavy duty. Started hd because my arms aren't growing as much as I would like. Have progress on chest (though I hit a platue on strength), legs and traps. I've noticed that hd is disliked on most forums like a curse but started it anyway since my arms aren't showing much progress. I will stop it if it doesn't work on me.
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    Originally Posted by softpounder View Post
    I also echo Sacramento's opinion. It is true.

    Cardio doesn't 'burn' protein btw.

    Cardio will burn your muscles if you are eating in a caloric deficit, all depending on steep it is and what program you're using.
    Ah thanks. I thought cardio burns protein once it runs out of carbs. Is it body calories first, fat and then muscles when it comes to cardio? If so i'm probably safe because I'm around 15% body fat. Will doing cardio in the morning eat away the calories the body had, the fat and then the muscles? I'm talking about doing 10 mins of hiit although the op was a question for too much cardio.
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    Originally Posted by Riva87 View Post
    Ah I see. Ty.
    So it's really not easy to gain muscles considerably and lose fat at the same time considerably is it?

    http://scoobysworkshop.com/gain-muscle-lose-fat/

    this explains things pretty well... also, you can find calculator on his page...
    but to achieve results - this requires a lot of dedication and experience

    bottom line: catch is in caloric cycling through a week
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    Originally Posted by Riva87 View Post
    Ah thanks. I thought cardio burns protein once it runs out of carbs. Is it body calories first, fat and then muscles when it comes to cardio? If so i'm probably safe because I'm around 15% body fat. Will doing cardio in the morning eat away the calories the body had, the fat and then the muscles? I'm talking about doing 10 mins of hiit although the op was a question for too much cardio.
    why in the world would body prefer muscle over fat if muscle is being used?
    - if muscle is not being used - than yes - body will eat it, because muscle burns more calories than fat... evolution.
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    Originally Posted by RedeemerZG View Post
    IMO - you wouldn't be in surplus if you are doing "that much" cardio
    lol what? I'm in a surplus daily and doing 2-3 hours worth
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    Originally Posted by RedeemerZG View Post
    why in the world would body prefer muscle over fat if muscle is being used?
    - if muscle is not being used - than yes - body will eat it, because muscle burns more calories than fat... evolution.
    So basically I wouldn't have to worry if I carry enough calories and my fat stores are minimum (maybe less than 5%) and I am using my muscles!? If that is so I guess I don't have to worry too much unless i'm super skinny and running a marathon everyday?

    I'm 6 feet and around 80kgs with a body fat level of probably more than 15%. I love doing cardio/hiit/sprinting because I feel so strong/powerful and light when I do it.
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    Originally Posted by AlwaysTryin View Post
    lol what? I'm in a surplus daily and doing 2-3 hours worth
    Well the op was directed more towards people like you (and not to mine). How would you know you are in a caloric surplus?
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    Originally Posted by Riva87 View Post
    Well the op was directed more towards people like you (and not to mine). How would you know you are in a caloric surplus?
    by eating more than I would burn
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    Originally Posted by Riva87 View Post
    So basically I wouldn't have to worry if I carry enough calories and my fat stores are minimum (maybe less than 5%) and I am using my muscles!? If that is so I guess I don't have to worry too much unless i'm super skinny and running a marathon everyday?
    - IMHO - pro BBs use serious supplements to cut down below 4- 5% and preserve muscle mass

    Originally Posted by Riva87 View Post
    I'm 6 feet and around 80kgs with a body fat level of probably more than 15%. I love doing cardio/hiit/sprinting because I feel so strong/powerful and light when I do it.
    why are you bulking on 15% bf?
    - i'm asking because i have some mental issues around bf% ... so i would really want to know what do other people think about their bf% and look
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    Originally Posted by RedeemerZG View Post
    - IMHO - pro BBs use serious supplements to cut down below 4- 5% and preserve muscle mass
    why are you bulking on 15% bf?
    - i'm asking because i have some mental issues around bf% ... so i would really want to know what do other people think about their bf% and look
    Real serious supplements if you know what I mean.

    I started at 16% and was bulking.

    I went up to 22% at my heaviest.

    It's personal preference, and unfortunately, if you were skinny fat like me, cutting is not an option.
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    Originally Posted by RedeemerZG View Post
    - IMHO - pro BBs use serious supplements to cut down below 4- 5% and preserve muscle mass



    why are you bulking on 15% bf?
    - i'm asking because i have some mental issues around bf% ... so i would really want to know what do other people think about their bf% and look
    Ouch good point. I guess bulking is the wrong word. Bulking = muscles + fat? Well I simply meant gaining muscles. Is that generally considered a bad idea if one has a bf level of more than 15%. You do have a point. There is no point of trying to mass-up if you look out of shape. Shed first and bulk up? Is that the norm.
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    Originally Posted by Riva87 View Post
    Ouch good point. I guess bulking is the wrong word. Bulking = muscles + fat? Well I simply meant gaining muscles. Is that generally considered a bad idea if one has a bf level of more than 15%. You do have a point. There is no point of trying to mass-up if you look out of shape. Shed first and bulk up? Is that the norm.
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    Originally Posted by softpounder View Post
    Real serious supplements if you know what I mean.

    I started at 16% and was bulking.

    I went up to 22% at my heaviest.

    It's personal preference, and unfortunately, if you were skinny fat like me, cutting is not an option.
    Not an option?
    Skinny fat I guess the word I have to use on myself too. The issue here is when skinny fat no matter how much you've gained there is nothing much to show when one takes the shirt off.

    If my goals are to gain muscle, lose fat (below 10% - so that I would atleast look lean mean ) would taking supplements and would atleast one of the goals above be futile?
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    Originally Posted by RedeemerZG View Post

    read it
    Haha thanks and I will read it when I get a chance and get back to you.
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    Originally Posted by Riva87 View Post
    Not an option?
    Skinny fat I guess the word I have to use on myself too. The issue here is when skinny fat no matter how much you've gained there is nothing much to show when one takes the shirt off.

    If my goals are to gain muscle, lose fat (below 10% - so that I would atleast look lean mean ) would taking supplements and would atleast one of the goals above be futile?
    Stop focussing on supplements unless you're talking about steroids, they won't do much
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    Originally Posted by Riva87 View Post
    Not an option?
    Skinny fat I guess the word I have to use on myself too. The issue here is when skinny fat no matter how much you've gained there is nothing much to show when one takes the shirt off.
    If my goals are to gain muscle, lose fat (below 10% - so that I would atleast look lean mean ) would taking supplements and would atleast one of the goals above be futile?
    Wrong. After 8 months of bulking, I feel more confident because I don't only just have a gut, I now have mass on my body too so it proportionate out. Now I'm finally ready to do my first cut to see what it gives me, then I'll rebulk.

    Skinny-fatties have no choice but to bulk, cut and bulk.

    You cannot simultaneously build muscle and gain fat if you're in a deficit. Taking supplements does not give you any edge on cutting or bulking. They may help you minimally but that's it. Perhaps multi-v, and fish oils would be what I'd look at.
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    Originally Posted by AlwaysTryin View Post
    Stop focussing on supplements unless you're talking about steroids, they won't do much
    i meant on that stuff... but considered not to write it down
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    Originally Posted by RedeemerZG View Post

    read it
    Read it. Thanks that was helpful esp abt the abbs. It has mentioned than gaining and losing at the same time is really hard/to calculate. However it hasn't mentioned whether taking the required calories and doing cardio would (1) provide for the necessary muscle building (2) create a caloric deficit needed to lose excess fat.

    I could only assume (1) the protein one takes gets burnt while doing cardio or (2) a carb surplus is also needed significantly for muscle building for the website to have mentioned that it's too hard to do both (build and shed) together.
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    ^ if not why do cardio if one needs to simply gain muscle?

    Just eat the correct caloric requirement, do weight training and then do cardio maybe once every 4 months to lose the few pounds of fat gained?
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    google carb/calorie cycling
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    Originally Posted by RedeemerZG View Post
    try shorter periods of bulking/cutting

    2 weeks each ?
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    Originally Posted by RedeemerZG View Post
    google carb/calorie cycling
    I have to disagree here.

    It won't have any different effect over eating at an average surplus.
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    Originally Posted by SacramentoZach View Post
    I have to disagree here.

    It won't have any different effect over eating at an average surplus.
    sure thing - if he is in surplus - with or without carbs

    what if he tries CKD (for maintainance) ?
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    Originally Posted by RedeemerZG View Post
    sure thing - if he is in surplus - with or without carbs

    what if he tries CKD (for maintainance) ?
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    Anyone who knows what they're talking about will simply suggest meeting macro/micro requirements while meeting calorie targets everyday.

    Now please stop encouraging all this carb/calorie cycling nonsense.
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    Now i'm confused. It would be great if someone can answer my last two posts.

    (1)Caloric surplus is all nutrients together and not just proteins? (2)If so there will always have to be an excess calorie intake to build muscle? (3)It's not a good idea to do cardio hoping it would burn calories because it might eat away the calories required to build muscle? (4)Since it's hard to know the perfect intake amount it will be likely that we would take an excess of calories more than what the body requires therefore inevitably gain a few lbs of fat anyway?
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