i think ON Gold Standard Whey is the MOST overated protein ever

[beastmode47]

Funny how no one mentions musclepharm combat powder when it comes to being a quality protein I've noticed that. ON always is being mentioned regarding quality and label claims tho

It's because the ingredients list is padded with free form nonessential amino acids.

[xavengedx23]

It's because the ingredients list is padded with free form nonessential amino acids.

just took a look at It. Wow that's a damn shame not sure why I haven't noticed this whole time.. I really wasn't expecting that from musclepharm

[beastmode47]

just took a look at It. Wow that's a damn shame not sure why I haven't noticed this whole time.. I really wasn't expecting that from musclepharm

Can you really blame them? Many protein companies do it and make a fortune out of it, by cutting corners. So why not join in on the max profits and financial gains? F*** whole proteins, when you can reduce the costs of making a protein supplement by padding it with cheap ass, free form nonessential amino acids which your body can easily create (only if you have sufficient essential amino acids though).

[xavengedx23]

It's because the ingredients list is padded with free form nonessential amino acids.

I just read a statement from a musclepharm rep on here. He mentioned that they do not count the non essential amino acids in their total protein count. That's always good I am relieved finally lol

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...8098153&page=1

[aitchfourex]

Are you drinking it to grow or drinking it to feel good brah?

[MasterBench]

I just read a statement from a musclepharm rep on here. He mentioned that they do not count the non essential amino acids in their total protein count. That's always good I am relieved finally lol

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...8098153&page=1

Calculations are incorrect and that is not how testing works.
24g of protein dose not equal 24 g of the protein source. With something like an isolate the number is closer, but with things like casein, concentrate, milk protein, etc you will generally need more grams of the product to achieve a certain number on the label.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. 84g of chicken (3oz), doesn't give you 84g of protein, just wanted to make that clear.

Anyway, as far as I know, you cannot choose to count certain things in a test for protein content. Nor can you exclude them from the product when testing, for obvious reasons.
Regardless of whether you disclose the amount or not, if it is in the product and contributes nitrogen, it is counted

EDIT

So just to be even clearer.

If I have a product that has 40g of protein on the label, and I also say the product has 5g of creatine/10g of taurine/5g of glycine, just because I put that the specific amounts on the label does not mean that they are excluded from nitrogen testing. The only difference between my imaginary product and a product that lists the ingredients in a prop blend is that I have disclosed the amounts.

So, 40g of protein actually becomes 20g>. Since creatine has ~double the amount of nitrogen the Kjeldahl method accounts for and glycine has slightly more as well.

[Neopragmatist]

i don't know if this has been addressed before but Combat Powder labeling is a bit awkward...

1. "Multi-Level Amino Acid Growth Matrix" is just as much as the scoop size (e.g. Smores has 38 grams per serving and the AA matrix lists 38 grams. are they counting lecithin, chocolate/marshmallow pieces, etc. as part of their AA growth matrix?)
2. I believe the wording "Also Provides" in the AA growth matrix is a list of amino acids naturally occurring in whey and not free forms added. so that means only BCAA + glutamine are free forms added. at least that's how i interpret it...

[xiuxiu1313]

Protein powder that tastes "too good to be true" makes me worry. Just a weird thing with me I guess. I don't mind choking down a shake if I'm confident in the ingredients and quality.

[Dracoy]

Went through about 50 pounds of this stuff in Double Rich Chocolate. Good starter product.

[xavengedx23]

We need a musclepharm rep in this beech

[DASBUNKER]

Taste is one thing.. but i never had any problem with mixability.. 1 scoop in 4oz dilutes just fine with just a spoon.

[jaredmus]

A lot of people buy it for value and profile and never had any real problems with company. The flavors are average to slightly above average, mixes thin its not the best or thickest on the market, but solid and gets the job done for a lot of people with good macros and has been around for ages.
I like the banana, not to sweet not the best tasting banana, same with the vanilla and chocolate, but also does not have higher carbs like some other popular proteins like Syntha-6 or Phase-8, not higher fat like myofusion or MTS whey which are 2.5-3 grams, thats going to make things taste better stronger simple.
If you do not like it try other proteins like I listed above
another good protein now is cellucor Whey with similar profile cinnamon swirl I am using now is good, I love the vanilla and PB marsh in oatmeal is damn good as well. So just try a few out see what ya like

[iHedonist]

It's not overrated. It tops the laboratory tests for protein content and the price is cheaper compared to other products.
I don't have issue mixing ON like other brands and the taste is fine on me (excluding CnC).

[Swamp Dog]

ON is definitely not over-rated as almost everyone agrees that it lags behind XF, SAN, CL, Cellucor, Universal, Scivation, et al.

[DasBiceps]

I am not the biggest fan of ON GS but i am surprised that it seems like i might be the only one who liked CnC gold standard.

[aaronuconn]

We need a musclepharm rep in this beech

A rep will most likely not have the answer. At a corporation as big as MP, reps aren't as informed as forums members think sometimes.

[beastmode47]

I am not the biggest fan of ON GS but i am surprised that it seems like i might be the only one who liked CnC gold standard.

Never tried it but yeah, I guess you're the only one. lawl. The bad comments from ON customers is enough for me to not even want to give it a shot.

[JerseyTriad]

Wasn't there an independent study done not too long ago on the top brands of protein powders and how much of the protein in each your body ACTUALLY absorbs, that showed ON Whey coming in at the highest absorbtion rate by a landslide?

Taste isn't a factor. Will always use ON Whey

[bilskmoney]

What's everyone's take on Cellucor whey? I just got the bogo, quality/mixability seems fine, taste is ok but I messed up and got the peanut butter marshmellow due to high reviews.

[DasBiceps]

Never tried it but yeah, I guess you're the only one. lawl. The bad comments from ON customers is enough for me to not even want to give it a shot.

Seriously it was my favorite besides for the strawberry milkshake. I will always be a CnC fan.

What's everyone's take on Cellucor whey? I just got the bogo, quality/mixability seems fine, taste is ok but I messed up and got the peanut butter marshmellow due to high reviews.

PBM was not my favorite as a shake but it was pretty damn good when cooked with. Try making pancakes with PBM you won't be disappointed. The only flavor i would avoid is strawberry IMO but some people like it, but it tastes amazing when cooked with. For a shake i would recommend trying Cinnamon swirl, CnC, and Molten chocolate.

[derickb24]

How does double rich compare to extreme milk? Never had double rich before and I'm currently drinking extreme milk. My rating would be as follows: mocha cap = cinnamon graham > strawberry milkshake (not a strawberry fan, but I loved this one) > extreme milk. I had chocolate malt before and caramel toffee and both were extremely disappointing.

I've never tried the extreme milk. The double rich is very mild in the chocolate flavor, but I think it comes through well. There is no chemical taste at all to it. I mix it 1scoop to 1 cup almond milk, and it kinda reminds a cocoa. I don't like the real sweet chocolate flavors. Like the phase8 chocolate, which a lot of people love, it was just way too sweet for me.

[Clintw1976]

I'm on the vanilla flavor. It's actually really tasty.

[ShoooterMcGavin]

Certain flavors are better than others but they definitely aren't the best. I wouldn't say over rated, people just haven't opened their eyes to better brands.

better brands? not sure if srs..

ON is an amazing company and no i dont take their protein, i need taste but they are #1 for a reason... quality

if you lift and dont give a flyin phuck about flavor then its easily the best but most of us want something that tastes good but to say others are better is kinda funny

[potionmaster]

i would avoid combat powder just coz that label is full of fail and irregularities..

38gm scoop but also 38gm Amino acid growth matrix?...so its got no fats or carbs?...oh wait 7gm carbs and 1.5gm fats, so like wtf?

proving once again so long as you make something taste good, the sheeple will buy...screw common sense or whats in it

[gymratbum]

Honestly taste for me isn't a big deal. As long as it isn't too bad. Optimum tastes ok. But the quality is top notch. That's why I keep ON as my go to protein

[UgotAniceSNATCH]

Are you drinking it to grow or drinking it to feel good brah?

both are interrelated to me. i'm actually not into drinking shakes at all and try to eat all my food. but in the rare occasion i have a shake i prefer taste, i just love mp protein flavors, i don't think you can go wrong on any of em.... as to the quality, kinda eeh to me honestly. i eat a lot, if i drink a shake the quality is not gonna be a make or brake type of deal

[R0ck_S0lid]

Myofusion is by far the best tasting protein out there. I like ON but it's like drinking water

[potionmaster]

both are interrelated to me. i'm actually not into drinking shakes at all and try to eat all my food. but in the rare occasion i have a shake i prefer taste, i just love mp protein flavors, i don't think you can go wrong on any of em.... as to the quality, kinda eeh to me honestly. i eat a lot, if i drink a shake the quality is not gonna be a make or brake type of deal

then i recommend a company called starbucks, and they sell a bangup shake called frappucino...its got some protein in it

[UgotAniceSNATCH]

lol.

[RyanG415]

Ive tried ON cookies n cream. Pretty gross. I opened it up and the powder was yellow!!!..wth!! And it tasted like butterscotch.