Whey Protein

[czechmate12]

I was wondering how relevant whey protein is the diets of bodybuilders nowadays. Does anyone still use it on a daily basis as a protein source? In many of the threads I've been browsing regarding diets and nutrition, I keep seeing individuals describe it as a, quote, "processed, fast food." Curious to get some input from the community.

[WonderPug]

Whey protein powder is a processed fast food, but there's no reason to not consume it if you enjoy that type of food just as there's no reason to consume it if you don't enjoy that type of food.

[czechmate12]

Whey protein powder is a processed fast food, but there's no reason to not consume it if you enjoy that type of food just as there's no reason to consume it if you don't enjoy that type of food.

Interesting. Can you elaborate and explain what 'processed, fast food' means? That sounds negative. Are you saying it isn't safe, or harmful to the body in any way?

[germaine07]

Interesting. Can you elaborate and explain what 'processed, fast food' means? That sounds negative. Are you saying it isn't safe, or harmful to the body in any way?

It means that whey protein is a highly processed food. That's all.

[SkydogGinsberg]

"Prevalent" is a better description than "relevant". A lot of veteran lifters here, find themselves consuming less over time as they've gotten a better handle on their diets over the years.

<-- Former 5lb-Tub/Month Club, now 5lb-Tub/Year, mostly for infrequent days when P wasn't quite met on cal-restriction during cutting.

[WonderPug]

Interesting. Can you elaborate and explain what 'processed, fast food' means? That sounds negative. Are you saying it isn't safe, or harmful to the body in any way?

It means whey protein powders are highly processed foods that are designed for rapid preparation (dump in water, mix, drink, for example).

Most any food, sans the context of does and total daily intake of all nutrients, is not "healthy" or "unhealthy".

What matters is the composite of your entire diet.

[tamcakic]

If you don't consume enough protein throughout the day with regular food intake then whey protein can be pretty useful to hit your macros.

[czechmate12]

"Prevalent" is a better description than "relevant". A lot of veteran lifters here, find themselves consuming less over time as they've gotten a better handle on their diets over the years.

<-- Former 5lb-Tub/Month Club, now 5lb-Tub/Year, mostly for infrequent days when P wasn't quite met on cal-restriction during cutting.

Good point. It seemed to me like less people are using it than in previous years.

[WonderPug]

Good point. It seemed to me like less people are using it than in previous years.

The efficacy of supplement marketing is (slightly) diminished by the availability of correct information on forums such as this one, which leads to reduced usage as people start realizing that, for example, whey protein powders are not essential or even uniquely beneficial.

[czechmate12]

It means whey protein powders are highly processed foods that are designed for rapid preparation (dump in water, mix, drink, for example).

Most any food, sans the context of does and total daily intake of all nutrients, is not "healthy" or "unhealthy".

What matters is the composite of your entire diet.

Thank you.

So, you're saying there would be an issue if the entirety of your daily protein intake came from whey protein?

[WonderPug]

So, you're saying there would be an issue if the entirety of your daily protein intake came from whey protein?

I can't imagine a rationally composed diet of that sort just as I can't imagine a rationally composed diet where all your carbs comes from table sugar or all of your dietary fat comes from corn oil.

[czechmate12]

The efficacy of supplement marketing is (slightly) diminished by the availability of correct information on forums such as this one, which leads to reduced usage as people start realizing that, for example, whey protein powders are not essential or even uniquely beneficial.

Yes, very true as well. People seem to be realizing that whey powder isn't the "super protein source" that it had always been portrayed as. I know many people who used to believe that consuming whey immediately after lifting/working out was superior to any other protein source, say, a lean meat or dairy product.

[czechmate12]

I can't imagine a rationally composed diet of that sort just as I can't imagine a rationally composed diet where all your carbs comes from table sugar or all of your dietary fat comes from corn oil.

Understood. It would be rather extreme. But, like you said before, it wouldn't be "unhealthy."

[RustedIron]

There is nothing wrong with getting your protein from protein powders. You just have to make sure that you are getting the same nutrients that would be in meats from other sources.

Protein powder is just a tool in your massive chest. I prefer it when I need protein fast as meat takes a long time to digest.

[WonderPug]

Understood. It would be rather extreme. But, like you said before, it wouldn't be "unhealthy."

I said the opposite: it would be potentially very unhealthy.

[czechmate12]

I said the opposite: it would be potentially very unhealthy.

That sounds contradictory to what was said before. How would this be "unhealthy?" Assuming all important micronutrients are achieved from other parts of the diet?

[WonderPug]

That sounds contradictory to what was said before. How would this be "unhealthy?" Assuming all important micronutrients are achieved from other parts of the diet?

Compose a diet where all protein is derived from whey powder. And look at the composition of such a diet.

Common sense. Acquire it.

[czechmate12]

Compose a diet where all protein is derived from whey powder. And look at the composition of such a diet.

Common sense. Acquire it.

Not saying the diet would be rational, my friend. If it were possible, to get nearly all protein requirements from whey, and also ingest essential micronutrients that aren't found in whey by the carbohydrate and fat sources, then I'm not seeing the health concern.

[WonderPug]

Not saying the diet would be rational, my friend. If it were possible, to get nearly all protein requirements from whey, and also ingest essential micronutrients that aren't found in whey by the carbohydrate and fat sources, then I'm not seeing the health concern.

Ugh.

You must be kidding and, if not, please ask an adult in your household to help you understand the composition of common foods.

[SacramentoZach]

Ugh.

You must be kidding and, if not, please ask an adult in your household to help you understand the composition of common foods.

If someone replaced all meat sources with protein powder, but continued to get adequate micros from carb, fat, and multivitamin sources, what would be the issue?

It's obviously impractical and wouldn't be very satisfying, but what would be the harm?

[czechmate12]

Ugh.

You must be kidding and, if not, please ask an adult in your household to help you understand the composition of common foods.

I'll not go on with that, it was a very nonsensical idea. As an adult, I've gotten all the information I needed. Your personal bias about a product should not lead to "as a matter of fact" statements about it.

[czechmate12]

If someone replaced all meat sources with protein powder, but continued to get adequate micros from carb, fat, and multivitamin sources, what would be the issue?

It's obviously impractical and wouldn't be very satisfying, but what would be the harm?

My thoughts exactly.

[The Running Man]

It's obviously impractical and wouldn't be very satisfying, but what would be the harm?

If anything, it would be very practical, but not very satisfying. What's easier than making a whey shake? Whey is very high quality protein, and you could survive on it as your primary protein source provided you were able to meet your other macro/micro needs.

The real problem with all these hypothetical "what if I meet my macros and micros via these unconventional means" is typically fiber. Satisfying macro and micro requirements isn't that hard, but it's easy to skimp on fiber. It's probably easier to just eat fibrous foods which will simultaneously help you meet macro and micro requirements.

[WonderPug]

If someone replaced all meat sources with protein powder, but continued to get adequate micros from carb, fat, and multivitamin sources, what would be the issue?

It's obviously impractical and woudn't be very satisfying, but what would be the harm?

Please compose an example diet where 100% of one's protein intake comes from whey and that diet is rational and "healthy".

Do it or negs.


What has happened to this world -- common sense it just out the window.

[SacramentoZach]

Please compose an example diet where 100% of one's protein intake comes from whey and that diet is rational and "healthy".

Do it or negs.


What has happened to this world -- common sense it just out the window.

I didn't say it would be rational or healthy. I even said it would be impractical. I asked you why it would be unhealthy.

Please don't threaten me with negs. You seem to think your always being attacked when anyone questions your posts, but I'm literally asking a question for my own knowledge.

[czechmate12]

Please compose an example diet where 100% of one's protein intake comes from whey and that diet is rational and "healthy".

Do it or negs.


What has happened to this world -- common sense it just out the window.

Well, before you neg him, define "healthy." There isn't one concrete definition, it's very subjective. Your personal, biased definition, may not be the same as his, or anyone else's.

[WonderPug]

I didn't say it would be rational or healthy. I even said it would be impractical. I asked you why it would be unhealthy.

Answer your own question: try to compose a diet that provides 100% of your protein from whey powder.

Think before posting. Seriously.

How are you going to compose a diet that might be "healthy" if you can't consume any fruits, vegetables, meat, fish, poultry, eggs, nuts, etc?

This is just beyond idiotic.

[czechmate12]

Answer your own question: try to compose a diet that provides 100% of your protein from whey powder.

Think before posting. Seriously.

How are you going to compose a diet that might be "healthy" if you can't consume any fruits, vegetables, meat, fish, poultry, eggs, nuts, etc?

This is just beyond idiotic.

I believe his intent was that the main protein source of the diet would come from whey protein. There are trace amounts of protein in certain carbohydrates, vegetables, and even fats.

[SacramentoZach]

Answer your own question: try to compose a diet that provides 100% of your protein from whey powder.

Think before posting. Seriously.

How are you going to compose a diet that might be "healthy" if you can't consume any fruits, vegetables, meat, fish, eggs, nuts, etc?

It's a hypothetical question. Can you actually have a conversation with a person without being condescending?

You obviously misread my original post.

"If someone replaced all meat sources with protein powder, but continued to get adequate micros from carb, fat, and multivitamin sources, what would be the issue?"

If you don't think it's possible then simply say "hey man, I don't think it's possible to do so" instead of telling me to think before I post and threatening me with your rep power.

If you don't want to have this conversation then that's fine. I was just looking to bounce thoughts of each other and get an answer.

[deadliftdang]

This is just beyond idiotic.

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get your protein macros in each day. have whey if you want. the end.