Pre-Workout for Endurance Athletes

[Sam Steele]

Looking for a recommendation or stack as looking to try something new. Not looking for anything with Creatine or pump as it's solely for endurance training. I am debating going with a stim on it's own then add some Citruilline and BA on the side or for ease an all inclusive. Pretty open minded on stacks choices.

Thanks for any suggestions or PWO.

FYI, used Body Octane, C4, Hemavol, NO Shotgun, White Flood, Animal Rage, and I'm sure other's I can't think of. Currently finishing C4.

[rhadam]

Um, why would you not want creatine for endurance training? That makes no sense.

[cjwav34]

Caffeine Free Focus XT + 100mg caffeine + 2g COP + 2-3g LCLT + 6g Citrulline Malate.

Everyday:
4g Beta Alanine (two doses of 2g)
3-5g Creatine

[aaronuconn]

Caffeine Free Focus XT + 100mg caffeine + 2g COP + 2-3g LCLT + 6g Citrulline Malate.

Everyday:
4g Beta Alanine (two doses of 2g)
3-5g Creatine

I like.

[Denzelfan]

For pure endurance, Citrulline and Beta Alanine are the best. Caffeine will only result in jitters and crashes.

[cjwav34]

Caffeine will only result in jitters and crashes.

Not in low doses.

[Denzelfan]

Not in low doses.

I agree

[ubernoob]

Caffeine Free Focus XT + 100mg caffeine + 2g COP + 2-3g LCLT + 6g Citrulline Malate.

Everyday:
4g Beta Alanine (two doses of 2g)
3-5g Creatine

Everything here and add cordygen5 and minus the caffeine (not much of a fan for stims in pre's)

Don't take creatine pre, it dehydrates the hell out of me if I have not had my daily intake of water so I prefer in the morning so I don't drink anything but water throughout the day.

[cjwav34]

Everything here and add cordygen5 and minus the caffeine (not much of a fan for stims in pre's)

I should be getting my first experience with cordyceps soon. If they don't produce I will find you!

[ubernoob]

I should be getting my first experience with cordyceps soon. If they don't produce I will find you!

I will run run run from you although I bulked and begin my cut on Monday, hello 40 to 60 miles a week.

[mormonpickett]

Formutech makes a supplement that's actually called "endurance". It's not a pre workout but its aminos + beta alanine + COP. As far as my research goes(someone correct me if I'm wrong), beta alanine helps remove hydrogen ions which cause the "burning" sensation of the muscles. So might be good to take as an endurance athlete. We have many bikers who take endurance as well as bodybuilders(such as myself)

[tmd17]

Formutech makes a supplement that's actually called "endurance". It's not a pre workout but its aminos + beta alanine + COP. As far as my research goes(someone correct me if I'm wrong), beta alanine helps remove hydrogen ions which cause the "burning" sensation of the muscles. So might be good to take as an endurance athlete. We have many bikers who take endurance as well as bodybuilders(such as myself)

Kind of right. Carnosine removes H+ ions to help stabilize muscular pH. The tingling sensation is most likely due to BA binding to nerve receptors near the skin causing them to fire.

OP what kind of endurance training? HIIT or long distance endurance?

[mormonpickett]

Kind of right. Carnosine removes H+ ions to help stabilize muscular pH. The tingling sensation is most likely due to BA binding to nerve receptors near the skin causing them to fire.

OP what kind of endurance training? HIIT or long distance endurance?

I get it. I just know the "dumb" or "unlearned" way to say it haha

[cjwav34]

I will run run run from you although I bulked and begin my cut on Monday, hello 40 to 60 miles a week.

I think I got up to 52 miles per week or so. I thought my joints were going to fall apart.

[Big.Jazayrli]

I would give ErgoPump a shot since it seems you like stims.. right in the moderate/low stim range @ 175mg caffeine/scoop.

Though if you're going purely for endurance.. 6g CitMal + COP (I forget the correct dosing) should be awesome.

Just COP + ErgoPump would be awesome imo.

[kerplunk]

For pure endurance, Citrulline and Beta Alanine are the best. Caffeine will only result in jitters and crashes.

Caffeine is one of the most effective supplements you can take.

[Mr.Cooper69]

For true endurance training, I'd add GMS and/or nitrates to the list. Hell there's even data on Ornithine

[TheFugitive]

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[IlliniTrack800m]

Fast Fuel would be great for you
Check it out

[Mr.Cooper69]

Fast Fuel would be great for you
Check it out

Which aspect?

[cjwav34]

For true endurance training, I'd add GMS and/or nitrates to the list. Hell there's even data on Ornithine

I'm assuming your reasoning for adding GMS is water retention, however, I don't know if the benefit would out weigh the potential pump aspect being a hindrance during some kind of endurance workout.

[Mr.Cooper69]

I'm assuming your reasoning for adding GMS is water retention, however, I don't know if the benefit would out weigh the potential pump aspect being a hindrance during some kind of endurance workout.

Endurance studies show performance enhancement relative to placebo, so I'm guessing the answer is no. True endurance work is so oxidative in nature that pumps are not very common. They're seen more often in MISS/HIIT

[ubernoob]

I think I got up to 52 miles per week or so. I thought my joints were going to fall apart.

Hello 6 grams of fish oil daily with animal flex. I should say my form over the years has vastly improved. I was a horrible heel striker but now mid strike which has helped me increase my speed and lessen the impact on my joints. Thank shoe designers (Brooks pure line) for minimizing the heel to toe differential. I felt bad sawing the ends of my brand new shoes to do this on my own, but it was effective and worked. Learned the trick back in '07 on the runnersworld forum where the person had been doing it since the early 90's.

[IlliniTrack800m]

Which aspect?

It isn't as stim heavy @ about 180mg of caffeine per scoop and even has BCAAs

Not quite sure how it'll fair though for long distance cardio compared to HIIT

[Sam Steele]

Kind of right. Carnosine removes H+ ions to help stabilize muscular pH. The tingling sensation is most likely due to BA binding to nerve receptors near the skin causing them to fire.

OP what kind of endurance training? HIIT or long distance endurance?

Ironman competitions. I like the note on building my own as per above but will see about the Formutech as well. As per the creatine comment, research it a bit. BA is a must and caffeine doesn't cause me any issues. Thanks for the suggestions. I like the COP addition as well.

[Sam Steele]

I would give ErgoPump a shot since it seems you like stims.. right in the moderate/low stim range @ 175mg caffeine/scoop.

Though if you're going purely for endurance.. 6g CitMal + COP (I forget the correct dosing) should be awesome.

Just COP + ErgoPump would be awesome imo.

I must admit I'm a bit anti prop blend so ErgoPump is a problem. I am looking at 6-7gr CitMal, 3gr BA as I get a dose from my Multi's as well. I think COP dosing is recommended at 2-4gr

[kkotecki10]

I'm not sure how people feel about it here, as it hasn't been mentioned, but about a year ago I got a sample of TSN's cardio igniter. Its profile seems decent for the ingredients that I know enough about, not sure about a few of the plant extracts. It's caffeinated but not heavily stimmed; seems to have more nootropics. I liked it for cardio, and I hate cardio, but IMO it's a bit expensive.

[thedarce]

Vitargo + iForce Compete/Omega Strive + iForce Potassium Nitrate = WIN??????

[JacqueAttack]

Sounds like Cardio Igniter is the product your looking for.

At 150mg of caffeine, its just enough to give you energy but not make you jittery. The additional BA, carnitine and tyrosine all contribute to endurance, which is what you're looking for. The red beet root juice gives an additional vasodiation effect which helps preformance as well, due to the high concentration of nitrates in vegetable.

There's currently a buy 2 get one free promo going on, Can't go wrong with the blue razz.

[healthandfit32]

The New White Flood. Yes, they say it's for pumps but look at it from an endurance perspective. Citrulline for nutrient utilization and help get rid of waste from training. BA is in there for endurance - i.e. PH buffering lactic acid by increasing carnosine levels. An energy blend without a crash that lasts for hours. Won't dehydrate you. It's creatine free & much more. Give it a shot. Free samples on BB.COM in the Company Promo Section. You can run a search.

If you want recovery to back it up with try their Purple Wraath - overlap of ingredients to get more of what you want plus recovery nutrition. Will also help you stay hydrated. You will get your electrolytes with this stack as well. Product works the same everytime. Not underdosed and not stim free but won't cause by itself stim tolerance IMO yet it's still very strong.