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    Originally Posted by happydrood View Post
    lol do you actually think they could choose? They HAD to fight,most of them were just scared possies but they HAD to die on the battlefield even if they didnt want. Ancient and medieval times were hell full of filthines,there was no bravery nor courage.
    You have merely confirmed my suspicion that you are indeed 100% trolling this thread. You are saying that soldiers conscripted into the army in WW1 were pussies because they had to fight? Im sure a great many of them didnt want to fight, but they still went ahead with it. You disgust me, anybody that lays down their life for a purpose is more brave and fulfilling than scum like you will ever be.
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    Originally Posted by Incendo View Post
    We are talking about bravery and courage here, not using a machine gun from 400 metres away to mow down people that cant even pose a threat to you. Of course the soldiers of today are still brave and more courageous than any other people. But we are talking about the hell these ancient warriors went through, battlefields with thousands of men dying at your side, limbs chopped off everywhere, horses running you down, most men barely lasted a few minutes if they were in the middle of it all. We are only comparing the men, not the weapons of the ages.
    What a retarded point.

    Things wouldn't be any different today if men still fought like they did back then. Modern technology has made it unnecessary to fight close-combat on an open battlefield.
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    OP forgot to mention the most Alpha of them all, and they were phaggots as well. (srs)


    Sacred Band of Thebes


    Under Pelopidas, the Sacred Band was united as a single unit of shock troops. Their main function was to cripple the enemy by engaging and killing their best men and leaders in battle.

    Under its last commander, Theagenes, the Sacred Band of Thebes was massacred in a decisive contest with Phillip II's Macedonians at the Battle of Chaeronea (338 BC). DeVoto in The Theban Sacred Band posits that, with the Macedonian hoplites arrayed in front of Alexander's 2,000 heavy cavalry, the Macedonians allowed the Sacred Band to break its lines and then enveloped them with cavalry by the Cissiphus. This defeat crushed for all time the Theban hegemony. The Theban hoplite infantry could not withstand the long-speared Macedonian phalanx. Theban regular infantry and its Athenian and other allies, their lines broken, fled. James G. DeVoto says in The Theban Sacred Band (8) that Alexander deployed his cavalry behind the Macedonian hoplites, apparently permitting "a Theban break-through in order to effect a cavalry assault while his hoplites regrouped." The Thebans Sacred Band held its ground and nearly all 300 fell where they stood beside their general, Theagenes. Plutarch records that Philip II, on encountering the corpses "heaped one upon another", understanding who they were, exclaimed, "Perish any man who suspects that these men either did or suffered anything unseemly.”

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    Originally Posted by Incendo View Post
    You have merely confirmed my suspicion that you are indeed 100% trolling this thread. You are saying that soldiers conscripted into the army in WW1 were pussies because they had to fight? Im sure a great many of them didnt want to fight, but they still went ahead with it. You disgust me, anybody that lays down their life for a purpose is more brave and fulfilling than scum like you will ever be.
    for fuk sake,how fukn uneducated are u? I am talking about MEDIEVAL and ANCIENT soldiers,WW1 IS 20TH FUKN CENTURY.
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    Originally Posted by happydrood View Post
    What is there to prove? Vikings were tall for medieval standards because they lived like barbarians and ate enough to grow (they had food from pillaging and harvesting). Average height for medieval citizen was 5-5.5
    Brb writing garbage all day, and when asked to actually post something useful you just copy the message you were laughing at before. God damn the misc is retarded.
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    Originally Posted by Suit View Post
    OP forgot to mention the most Alpha of them all, and they were phaggots as well. (srs)


    Sacred Band of Thebes


    Under Pelopidas, the Sacred Band was united as a single unit of shock troops. Their main function was to cripple the enemy by engaging and killing their best men and leaders in battle.

    Under its last commander, Theagenes, the Sacred Band of Thebes was massacred in a decisive contest with Phillip II's Macedonians at the Battle of Chaeronea (338 BC). DeVoto in The Theban Sacred Band posits that, with the Macedonian hoplites arrayed in front of Alexander's 2,000 heavy cavalry, the Macedonians allowed the Sacred Band to break its lines and then enveloped them with cavalry by the Cissiphus. This defeat crushed for all time the Theban hegemony. The Theban hoplite infantry could not withstand the long-speared Macedonian phalanx. Theban regular infantry and its Athenian and other allies, their lines broken, fled. James G. DeVoto says in The Theban Sacred Band (8) that Alexander deployed his cavalry behind the Macedonian hoplites, apparently permitting "a Theban break-through in order to effect a cavalry assault while his hoplites regrouped." The Thebans Sacred Band held its ground and nearly all 300 fell where they stood beside their general, Theagenes. Plutarch records that Philip II, on encountering the corpses "heaped one upon another", understanding who they were, exclaimed, "Perish any man who suspects that these men either did or suffered anything unseemly.”

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    so basically a bunch of homos got crushed by the macedonians LOL
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    Originally Posted by Incendo View Post
    so basically a bunch of homos got crushed by the macedonians LOL
    Read the history before you post.


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    Originally Posted by happydrood View Post
    for fuk sake,how fukn uneducated are u? I am talking about MEDIEVAL and ANCIENT soldiers,WW1 IS 20TH FUKN CENTURY.
    You said in your post that the medieval knights were a bunch of 'scared pussies' that didnt want to fight, even though they did because it was their job and duty. And anyway, even if they didnt want to fight, you are saying that because of that reason they are pussies, despite the fact that they went on the battlefield and fought in atrocious conditions.
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    Originally Posted by Incendo View Post
    You said in your post that the medieval knights were a bunch of 'scared pussies' that didnt want to fight, even though they did because it was their job and duty. And anyway, even if they didnt want to fight, you are saying that because of that reason they are pussies, despite the fact that they went on the battlefield and fought in atrocious conditions.
    They had absolutely no motivation,they knew that if they wont die in this battle they will die in the next one,there was nothing worth fighting in their miserable life. They were not brave,there was just nothing to fight for.
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    strong understanding of the word ''ancient'' op. Also urine idiot if you really think a medieval knight would defeat a professional mma fighter in hand to hand combat
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    Almost all Scandinavians were farmers, only a small number were 'vikings' that sailed and pillage. And most of the pillaging were done in monastarys, churches because they were not defended. The monks were pretty much the only ones who could read and write so the accounts of vikings were giving a terrorizing description by these monks. They were no more alpha than any other marauding band of raiders. What set them apart was that they were not christian, so they had no problem attaching churches. Thats what made people afraid of them. And supposedly some used some type of drug that made them go "berserk" some times.
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    Originally Posted by scullin View Post
    That is what the Spartans did too. It's the same fukkin thing kid. And LOL @ 40 lbs of armor. Our chit today weighs much more than that. Worrying about what is alpha / beta is stupid, just don't be a pussy non-lifting crybaby and you'll be fine. Too many of those running around these days especially on misc lately.

    http://www.armytimes.com/article/201...oo-much-weight
    Yet the Times said a 2003 Army study found that soldiers on extended foot patrols carry an average load ranging from 87 to 127 pounds.


    I saw on a *** program that a typical Roman soldier had to march 20 miles a day with his full equipment and supplies.

    I've also read that the Mongolian Horde used a long bow that had a 160 lbs draw strength. basically the equivalent of pulling up 160 lbs with your index and middle finger back to your armpit. they did this every time they fired an arrow, and i'm pretty sure they fired lots of those in a battle.

    apparently they were also capable of hitting a target 500+ meters out (possibly on horseback).
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    The Mongolian tradition of archery is attested by an inscription on a stone stele that was found near Nerchinsk in Siberia: "While Chinggis Khan was holding an assembly of Mongolian dignitaries, after his conquest of Sartaul (East Turkestan), Esungge (the son of Chinggis Khan's brother) shot a target at 335 alds (536 m)."

    Another example is given in the historic novel "Khökh Sudar" written by Injinashi, the Mongolian philosopher, historian and writer: he describes the competition amongst all Mongolian civil military men in about 1194 -1195. Dzulgetii, a 16-year-old man from Dzurgen Aimag (province), and 4 other archers each hit the target three times from a distance of 500 bows (1 bow = at least 1 meter).
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_bow

    There are other impressive facts too, like how a fully armored knight was expected to fight for hours at a time in a pitched melee battle with heavy shield and sword. and yet when they had volunteers do it for a *** program (these were policemen, soldiers, firemen, etc.)they literally couldn't last 30 seconds before sucking air.
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    I agree they were more alpha because they would kill enemies, deserters and chit on a daily basis and didn't give the slightest phuck about choppign a head off.


    Have to strongly disagree with you saying that they'd rape MMA fighters and so on. They mastered the art of weaponless fighting, knights wouldn't be able to do chit to them.
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    Originally Posted by happydrood View Post
    "Ancient men would stomp on any modern man, inb4 MMA fighters, Ancient warriors learned to fight and had to learn not because it was a sport, that was their way of life, only through fight could they protect their families and live, they practiced hand in hand combat, and in real fight to death in a hand to hand combat there would be no rules, mma fighters would get smashed in hand to hand combat either."

    Also lold. Though this may be true if u consider all those 100lbs skinny phaggots wearing tapout,which never took any class in fighting and are self-proclaimed street fighters.

    Letucce be real tea -We are far more athletic than our ancestors,those ancient warriors were not alpha nor athletic - it was all just about tactics and strategies when it came to battle,one man couldnt do chit.





    Also lol at comparing modern men to ancient men, let's look at couple environmental facts that made ancient men far stronger, tougher, and waaay more fearless than modern men.

    1. According to studies, testosterone in males has dropped by 50% in several decades.
    2. The air, and even the quality of food in modern days is nothing compared to that of ancient times, everything was natural, there was no CO2 and air was also much better, no pollution, radiation etc.
    3. Modern athletes do what they do as a hobby, they like it and they do those things for a living, but they could handle without them, ancient men had to fight to survive, and protect their borders and families, they didn't do it as a hobby, they were born on battlefield with a fearless heart that was not afraid of death.


    Modern men compete and fight for trophies, for rewards.... ancient men fought for their lives, borders, land, and life of their beloved ones. MMA fighters can't even beat a guy without breaking their knuckles ( Alistair overeem in club ) and always wear protective bands and gloves to protect knuckles, tough men, undoubtedly, but comparing them to fearless killers?


    Ancient men/warriors would literally wreck any modern athletes/men.
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    We are talking about bravery and courage here, not using a machine gun from 400 metres away to mow down people that cant even pose a threat to you. Of course the soldiers of today are still brave and more courageous than any other people. But we are talking about the hell these ancient warriors went through, battlefields with thousands of men dying at your side, limbs chopped off everywhere, horses running you down, most men barely lasted a few minutes if they were in the middle of it all. We are only comparing the men, not the weapons of the ages.
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    Originally Posted by stimjunkie View Post
    Warren Buffett will be giving away 99% of his 53.5 billion to charity on death. That's the definition of white-collar alpha in the 21st century bitch.

    There are so many more examples of great men in these times but they don't fit your delusional ideology so you will not bother to acknowledge them.

    Go read some books.
    I never denied there are many great men in our time

    Just that there are no alphas in modern times

    brb giving away 50 billion after death ( as if anyone cares what's gonna happen after dying ) is alpha
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    thread sucks... We're not living in Spartan times, we live in a technologically advanced information age. If you think that Alpha male simply means fighting to the death, you're totally off kelter. It's simply a term to describe leadership--and the definition of leadership changes with the times. MMA guys would destroy any ancient warrior in hand to hand combat btw. Go join the army if you want to learn what Alpha means.
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    Originally Posted by Sargamatha View Post




    Also lol at comparing modern men to ancient men, let's look at couple environmental facts that made ancient men far stronger, tougher, and waaay more fearless than modern men.

    1. According to studies, testosterone in males has dropped by 50% in several decades.
    2. The air, and even the quality of food in modern days is nothing compared to that of ancient times, everything was natural, there was no CO2 and air was also much better, no pollution, radiation etc.
    3. Modern athletes do what they do as a hobby, they like it and they do those things for a living, but they could handle without them, ancient men had to fight to survive, and protect their borders and families, they didn't do it as a hobby, they were born on battlefield with a fearless heart that was not afraid of death.


    Modern men compete and fight for trophies, for rewards.... ancient men fought for their lives, borders, land, and life of their beloved ones. MMA fighters can't even beat a guy without breaking their knuckles ( Alistair overeem in club ) and always wear protective bands and gloves to protect knuckles, tough men, undoubtedly, but comparing them to fearless killers?


    Ancient men/warriors would literally wreck any modern athletes/men.
    First of all the forefathers of aesthetics were probably roman/greek statues. In more modern terms, it was these guys:

    know your olympia history...Frank Zane was probably the most notable.

    Those testosterone studies are just media garbage, trying to gain attention like anything else. How could they possibly measure the average mans test levels from 5,000+ years ago. And if anything, test levels are higher now because we have far better nutrition. You're confusing barbaric/warrior esque attitudes with physiology. Men can easily revert back to that barbaric sort of state of being if called upon, we just prefer to live in peace and civility in modern times. Throughout the ages we have established wide spread ideas like equality, humanism, morality, ethics, diplomacy, freedom of speech/expression, human rights etc, I don't think you would want any of these taken away just to say it's a more manly way of living. What you're describing as alpha has nothing to do with being a man, it has everything to do with being a psychopathic killer. We should be so lucky that we live in an age civil sports with rules and humane rules and not gladiator sports where live slaves are sacrificed to beasts, accompanied by applause and laughter.

    And again MMA guys would tear apart any ancient fighter. We have superior nutrition and it's understand of how to utilize it, superior training methods and AAS.

    Quit glamorizing past warriors as shown in the media. It's silly and unrealistic. They had savagery and barbaric instincts on their side but that doesn't make a great fighter. It's comparable to what happened when you take a street fighter like kimbo and threw him the MMA. Rage and instinctual savagery doesn't make the man and doesn't make great warriors. It's skill, intellect, technique, training, and execution that makes for an effective warrior. And today's soldiers are light years more advanced in each of those categories. You seem to be confusing animalistic fear with testosterone. If you raise someone on the battlefield they will have an acute sense of anxiety and fear, or animalistic instincts, but that doesn't make for superior execution nor does that raise their testosterone levels. Contrarily, anxiety and stress have been shown to lower test.
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    Originally Posted by mattvdh View Post
    First of all the forefathers of aesthetics were probably roman/greek statues. In more modern terms, it was these guys:

    know your olympia history...Frank Zane was probably the most notable.

    Those testosterone studies are just media garbage, trying to gain attention like anything else. How could they possibly measure the average mans test levels from 5,000+ years ago. And if anything, test levels are higher now because we have far better nutrition. You're confusing barbaric/warrior esque attitudes with physiology. Men can easily revert back to that barbaric sort of state of being if called upon, we just prefer to live in peace and civility in modern times. Throughout the ages we have established wide spread ideas like equality, humanism, morality, ethics, diplomacy, freedom of speech/expression, human rights etc, I don't think you would want any of these taken away just to say it's a more manly way of living. What you're describing as alpha has nothing to do with being a man, it has everything to do with being a psychopathic killer. We should be so lucky that we live in an age civil sports with rules and humane rules and not gladiator sports where live slaves are sacrificed to beasts, accompanied by applause and laughter.

    And again MMA guys would tear apart any ancient fighter. We have superior nutrition and it's understand of how to utilize it, superior training methods and AAS.

    Quit glamorizing past warriors as shown in the media. It's silly and unrealistic. They had savagery and barbaric instincts on their side but that doesn't make a great fighter. It's comparable to what happened when you take a street fighter like kimbo and threw him the MMA. Rage and instinctual savagery doesn't make the man and doesn't make great warriors. It's skill, intellect, technique, training, and execution that makes for an effective warrior. And today's soldiers are light years more advanced in each of those categories. You seem to be confusing animalistic fear with testosterone. If you raise someone on the battlefield they will have an acute sense of anxiety and fear, or animalistic instincts, but that doesn't make for superior execution nor does that raise their testosterone levels. Contrarily, anxiety and stress have been shown to lower test.

    1. men from 1950's had 50% higher testosterone, I said that test levels dropped in several decades, not in thousands of years.
    Nutrition has minimal effects on testosterone, Its lifestyle, attitude, amount of stress, etc, that have high effect on testosterone, we live in a world with chemicals all around us, shampoos, and all that crap can increase estrogen and decrease test, little things can make men more beta



    2. MMA fighters would get destroyed in a bare-knuckle, no rules street fight, they train to win, not to kill. There are many deadly moves which the ancients have learned thorough ages, many of these arts/MMA secrets discovered and utilized by shaolin monks have been long lost, thats why modern shaolin monks are an artistic joke, not fighters.


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    Spartans were pedophilles and heavily into gay sex
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spartan_pederasty#Sparta

    Is this what you call alpha?
    Raping your own son/daughter?

    edit: they also practiced ritual child murder, kept a brutalised slave chaste, the helots for example

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    Originally Posted by Sargamatha View Post

    2. MMA fighters would get destroyed in a bare-knuckle, no rules street fight, they train to win, not to kill. There are many deadly moves which the ancients have learned thorough ages, many of these arts/MMA secrets discovered and utilized by shaolin monks have been long lost, thats why modern shaolin monks are an artistic joke, not fighters.
    gtfo already phaggot,look at michelangelos david or any greek ancient sculptures of "aesthetics",that was considered super muscular. Even if they had more test they havent ate enough and they didnt know how to train their body properly.

    MMA fighters train to knock-out their opponent,from a lot of submissions u can just kill the opponent. Also I dont see any difference between using bare-knuckles and mma gloves. What Deadly moves? There are none. Shaolin Monks? dont make me laugh.
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    Originally Posted by happydrood View Post
    gtfo already phaggot,look at michelangelos david or any greek ancient sculptures of "aesthetics",that was considered super muscular. Even if they had more test they havent ate enough and they didnt know how to train their body properly.

    MMA fighters train to knock-out their opponent,from a lot of submissions u can just kill the opponent. Also I dont see any difference between using bare-knuckles and mma gloves. What Deadly moves? There are none. Shaolin Monks? dont make me laugh.

    Ye because muscles make you a stronger/better fighter, retard
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    In boxing at least boxers from 50-100 years ago would totally spank the modern guys. No question. The techniques were far more highly developed, the pool of talent was way bigger and the level of competition was far, far better. Guys had hundreds of fights, and fights lasted more than 15 rounds.
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