Whats the difference between ‪CLEAN EATING and ‪IIFYM?? (pics)

[BDGains]

With iifym, isn't the tough part actually hitting your macros and order to do so, you end up eating pretty "clean" anyway?

depends on if you care about sodium and sugar and stuff but if you just care about the carbs/fat/protein then you can eat as dirty as you want

[HippyBrah]

Only works out Chest. Thinks he is big.

This site is a joke now.

Strong rage out of NOWHERE...

[MarinoMike]

Nice job OP.

But I don't like you making the comparison saying that there's no difference, when indeed there was a difference in your training. In the first one you are very likely in a much better cardiovascular condition then in the second. So you may look bigger in the second one - this also ignores the growth factor of time - but i'd put my money on you being in better athletic condition in the first cut.

[SebastianMorar]

following your insta.. good chit

how long would it take to achieve a body like that but at 5'10?

[sknot1454]

So one person thinks they have better results with "cals in vs cals out" over "IIFYM" and that settles it?

TIL: Everyone's bodies are the same and one diet works for everyone.


Thanks OP.

[laffytaffy]

[paulosportz]

Seriously misc... Im not trying to say im a massive sick kvnt.

Im just sharing my experience from doing it the bro way vs the flexible way to illustrate both methods work.

I didnt do more cardio because i dropped weight everyweek so i didnt increase my cardio.
You can see from my plan of attack i was preparing to do alot more cardio but my metabolism was firing:
https://www.********.com/notes/paulo...74283902704957

I will honestly admit during the 1.5-2year gap i probably gained at most 2-3kg muscleand the rest was fat. I gained 10kg during that timeframe.

[ahox]

Sanity.

[oTough]

Problem with how many miscers perceive IIFYM is that they think it allows them free reign to just eat whatever. When it's meant to still a semi strict diet of "good/clean" foods and if you have macros available then you can enjoy added cheat meals, hence flexible dieting.

[jacob553]

Saw this on your ******** brah, been following you for a long time, mirin hard

didnt look like it worked for bulking... ur the same muscle size for 3 years

[Irontail]

why is it whenever someone makes a thread where they have worked hard and achieved an impressive physique scum crawl out and hate on everything.

good job OP on both cuts and thank you for your insight into clean vs iifym

[paulosportz]

Problem with how many miscers perceive IIFYM is that they think it allows them free reign to just eat whatever. When it's meant to still a semi strict diet of "good/clean" foods and if you have macros available then you can enjoy added cheat meals, hence flexible dieting.

Correct brah. 70-80% of my diet was still HEALTHY to meet my fibre needs and variety of micro dense foods...

[Irontail]

Supplements were the same for both cuts; whey, creatine, multi, fishoil and OEPS

Discuss.

OP in the pic it says you were on 1600 and cardio and then 2200 no cardio, was the 1600 and cardio harder? I can't tell in the pics but how did it take you longer on 1600 with cardio( 16weeks) than without and on 2200 (12 weeks)

[MarinoMike]

Correct brah. 70-80% of my diet was still HEALTHY to meet my fibre needs and variety of micro dense foods...

But dude I can't accept your dismissal of clean diets for two main reasons. You were eating 600 calories MORE in the second cut (which probably was still a deficit) and did a LOT of cardio in the first cut. These two things don't go well together.

What are we to assume you would look like if you clean cutted on 2200 calories and didn't do cardio??

[paulosportz]

OP in the pic it says you were on 1600 and cardio and then 2200 no cardio, was the 1600 and cardio harder? I can't tell in the pics but how did it take you longer on 1600 with cardio( 16weeks) than without and on 2200 (12 weeks)

First cut i had limited knowledge and did everything the bro way. I started straight into a huge deficit and kept reducing cals when i didnt see weight loss, i started out with cardio everyday which i shouldnt have which resulted in me having to keep on doing cardio and add more to see weight loss. I was eating very clean thus the low cal intake. I had also built up my metabolic capacity prior to my second cut which made the BIGGEST DIFFERENCE!!!

[Ondemand]

But dude I can't accept your dismissal of clean diets for two main reasons. You were eating 600 calories MORE in the second cut (which probably was still a deficit) and did a LOT of cardio in the first cut. These two things don't go well together.

What are we to assume you would look like if you clean cutted on 2200 calories and didn't do cardio??

the same ffs, also keep in mind he dieted 4 weeks LONGER with said ''clean'' diet

[JimmyRustlebrah]

while you were doing IIFYM which macros were you concentrating on hitting the most accurately ?

[Tjoobie]

Problem with how many miscers perceive IIFYM is that they think it allows them free reign to just eat whatever. When it's meant to still a semi strict diet of "good/clean" foods and if you have macros available then you can enjoy added cheat meals, hence flexible dieting.

This. following IIFYM isnt just eating mcdonalds every meal and hitting your cals.
I follow IIFYM and still eat HEAPS of things such as:
Steak, rice, chicken, brocolli, tuna, pasta, wholemeal bread, fish, oats etc.... but if I have cals left in my day I can eat a muffin, go out for ice-cream and things like this.

[WonderPug]

Regardless of what an individual thinks a "clean diet" is or what "IIFYM"s" means, the direct outcome of one's diet is determined by sustained energy balance and micro/macronutrient sufficiency, with indirect impact coming from food selection, meal timing and meal frequency, which impact satiety, palatability, energy, performance, compliance, recidivism, etc.

[MarinoMike]

the same ffs, also keep in mind he dieted 4 weeks LONGER with said ''clean'' diet

Not if he killed his metabolism eating that little for 4 weeks longer.

[paulosportz]

But dude I can't accept your dismissal of clean diets for two main reasons. You were eating 600 calories MORE in the second cut (which probably was still a deficit) and did a LOT of cardio in the first cut. These two things don't go well together.

What are we to assume you would look like if you clean cutted on 2200 calories and didn't do cardio??

For my first cut i did not learn to monitor and track progress in relation to my cals/macros... I just ate low cals and did cardio straight up and as a result, had to keep cutting cals and increasing cardio to continue fat loss.

Here is a snapshot of my second cut
https://www.********.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater

[ggNoRe83]

Thanks for the info.. looking thick solid tight.

Whats oeps? What did your macros look like when you were doing IIFYM?

[CollegeBoy12]

lol fuk, this thread makes me want to cut again. great results on the second.

[paulosportz]

while you were doing IIFYM which macros were you concentrating on hitting the most accurately ?

I hit my macros with a +/-5g accuracy for 12weeks.. did not stuff up or binge once.

[TheCore84]

Only works out Chest. Thinks he is big.

This site is a joke now.

Talks shyt, has no avi. Blow yourself.

[MarinoMike]

Still a strong tranformation. Would rep but on r/c for that spreadsheet... which I'm now ripping 100% off of you

[mdany5]

Whats the best way to figure out what your macros should be?

[Bapsman]

didnt look like it worked for bulking... ur the same muscle size for 3 years

Strong estats, sponsored athlete lol. This is proof that iifym/macros are very effective. Thedudes been training for many years it's near impossible to gain a decent amount of muscle after 5,6,7 years training brah...

[JimmyRustlebrah]

I hit my macros with a +/-5g accuracy for 12weeks.. did not stuff up or binge once.

damn, gj brah

[ravenoch]

Wow definitely mirin, nice of you to post this for everybody to see the comparison