Bostin Loyd calls out IFBB Pro Dallas McCarver

[mattvdh]

Bostin is so awesome, I love how he's taking the piss out of a lot of these phonies. Its not cool to tell kids and people that all you have to do is buy a certain supplement, train hand and eat well and you'll get as big as the pro's in a few years time. Hopefully all this stuff Bostin is posting will bring the sport back down to earth and get rid of a lot of the synthol use and drugs and just judge guys based on symmetry and proportions and not just freakish size. And whatsup with that crappy tanning spray they use, just go outside and get some sun, that looks so much better. Tanning beds don't give you that sun kissed look, it's a little to obvious looking.

[Unbiasedfan]

not just freakish size. And whatsup with that crappy tanning spray they use, just go outside and get some sun, that looks so much better. Tanning beds don't give you that sun kissed look, it's a little to obvious looking.

Learn before you make a full of yourself. Judging never was, isn't and will never be about JUST freakish size.

The tan is to enhance detail. It doesn't have to look natural and it never is. Pretty sure pre contest bodybuilders have more to worry about than to go to the beach.

[mattvdh]

lol... oh what irony. 'make a full of yourself'

If it wasn't about freakish size then BBs wouldn't need to take gear. Yeah obviously I know what tanning is used for, but I'm just saying that spray tan looks terrible. They should take the time to tan in the sun for a half hour a day, it's worth it, it looks a lot better.



This is a bit off topic, but I have a theory that black guys might look a bit more naturally muscular because their dark skin. Look at pale white irishmen or scot, they can be pretty muscular but it doesn't really show.
i.e.

[RoroCwalker]

If it wasn't about freakish size then BBs wouldn't need to take gear.

Yes, and Frank Zane wouldn't have won an Olympia.

[Unbiasedfan]

lol... oh what irony. 'make a full of yourself'

No English speaks here

[Unbiasedfan]

If it wasn't about freakish size then BBs wouldn't need to take gear. Yeah obviously I know what tanning is used for, but I'm just saying that spray tan looks terrible. They should take the time to tan in the sun for a half hour a day, it's worth it, it looks a lot better.

Bodybuilders took gear before they achieved freakish size, unless zane or larry scot had freaky size. Half an hour everyday would not be enough and someone like wolf would look like a lobster in contest day.

[mattvdh]

Yes, and Frank Zane wouldn't have won an Olympia.

He's an exception. Ever since Yates it's been a freakshow. Most Olympia champions were freakishly big and definitely used gear.

[mattvdh]

Bodybuilders took gear before they achieved freakish size, unless zane or larry scot had freaky size. Half an hour everyday would not be enough and someone like wolf would look like a lobster in contest day.

no zane and scott were on AAS but they had pretty normal genetics so they only got to about 180-190 ish I believe. Guys like Yates and Coleman changed the game so now the audience expect this sort of freakishness. I think it should go back to aesthetics and a look that women would find attractive and men find impressive. Zyzz is a good example. He had good arms and chest and proportions, but not so big that people immediately thought he took roids, and his waistline wasn't bloated. That's what bugs me the most about the monsters these days, their guts ruin the symmetry. It should be a 'V' shape, not boxy look. I think you should have a look that 'fools' people into thinking that you aren't juiced but just naturally muscular and aesthetic. There's nothing wrong with gear, just don't ruin the symmetry.

[RoroCwalker]

He's an exception. Ever since Yates it's been a freakshow. Most Olympia champions were freakishly big and definitely used gear.

3rd at the Olympia last year was Rhoden and you should know better, that it's not about ''freakish size'', it's more about proportions than it is about size.

[Unbiasedfan]

their guts ruin the symmetry.

That's retarded.

Nobody expects the freakishness of ronnie, many say it won't happen again.

Bodybuilding is not about what women find attractive nor what men find impressive (although everybody is impressed with bodybuilder whether they like the look or not).

Most bodybuilders have a much better V taper then zyzz.

Anyone who tries to fool people is not worthy of respect. Gear does not have the ability to ruin the symmetry of a physique.

You have no idea what symmetry is.

[patbanya]

That's retarded.

Nobody expects the freakishness of ronnie, many say it won't happen again.

Bodybuilding is not about what women find attractive nor what men find impressive (although everybody is impressed with bodybuilder whether they like the look or not).

Most bodybuilders have a much better V taper then zyzz.

Anyone who tries to fool people is not worthy of respect. Gear does not have the ability to ruin the symmetry of a physique.

You have no idea what symmetry is.

Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.

[JackOo]

no zane and scott were on AAS but they had pretty normal genetics so they only got to about 180-190 ish I believe. Guys like Yates and Coleman changed the game so now the audience expect this sort of freakishness. I think it should go back to aesthetics and a look that women would find attractive and men find impressive. Zyzz is a good example. He had good arms and chest and proportions, but not so big that people immediately thought he took roids, and his waistline wasn't bloated. That's what bugs me the most about the monsters these days, their guts ruin the symmetry. It should be a 'V' shape, not boxy look. I think you should have a look that 'fools' people into thinking that you aren't juiced but just naturally muscular and aesthetic. There's nothing wrong with gear, just don't ruin the symmetry.

So you'd rather see someone like "ZYZZ" win the Olympia? Is that what you're getting at? Not flame baiting, just not sure if that's what you're ACTUALLY implying.

Also there's a lot of preaching going on in this post about how other people should look. I'm seriously wondering what gives you that kind of authority on what the right "look" for another human being is? Do you feel you display Zyzz like qualities yourself? If not don't you think you should maybe work on your own short comings first, before telling the entire IFBB they're doing it wrong?

Also you really are ignoring everything that was displayed at the NYP and subsequent shows in terms of smaller waists while carrying a lot of size. Shawn Rhoden 3rd at the O' etc. Guys like Ed Nunn, and John Delarosa carry that "V Line" pretty well I think. Never seen Wheeler/Ray/Levrone with a gut on stage either if we wanna roll back to the 90's. Maybe you're just looking at Ronnie and Dorian, like most people, while ignoring the vast array of other competitors who also carried size without a large waist. Also let's be real here, nobody can walk around at 250 +lbs shredded with a 28 inch waist. Just isn't going to happen.

Your inital comment above about how Boston's "exposure" will maybe decrease the amount of gear being used? I don't even understand the logic behind this statement, and I'm pretty sure you don't have clue what any of the substances he mentioned are anyway, just like the general public won't either. Anyone who's been around the internet long enough won't be shocked by any of the things he said, like it's some kind of revelation in bodybuilding, lol.

[Unbiasedfan]

Also let's be real here, nobody can walk around at 250 +lbs shredded with a 28 inch waist.

If anybody can,



It would have to be someone with a very tiny waist to begin with or genetically, like ronnie.

[Mallorca Island]

If anybody can,



It would have to be someone with a very tiny waist to begin with or genetically, like ronnie.

Biggest OWNAGE EVER.

[mattvdh]

So you'd rather see someone like "ZYZZ" win the Olympia? Is that what you're getting at? Not flame baiting, just not sure if that's what you're ACTUALLY implying.

Also there's a lot of preaching going on in this post about how other people should look. I'm seriously wondering what gives you that kind of authority on what the right "look" for another human being is? Do you feel you display Zyzz like qualities yourself? If not don't you think you should maybe work on your own short comings first, before telling the entire IFBB they're doing it wrong?

Also you really are ignoring everything that was displayed at the NYP and subsequent shows in terms of smaller waists while carrying a lot of size. Shawn Rhoden 3rd at the O' etc. Guys like Ed Nunn, and John Delarosa carry that "V Line" pretty well I think. Never seen Wheeler/Ray/Levrone with a gut on stage either if we wanna roll back to the 90's. Maybe you're just looking at Ronnie and Dorian, like most people, while ignoring the vast array of other competitors who also carried size without a large waist. Also let's be real here, nobody can walk around at 250 +lbs shredded with a 28 inch waist. Just isn't going to happen.

Your inital comment above about how Boston's "exposure" will maybe decrease the amount of gear being used? I don't even understand the logic behind this statement, and I'm pretty sure you don't have clue what any of the substances he mentioned are anyway, just like the general public won't either. Anyone who's been around the internet long enough won't be shocked by any of the things he said, like it's some kind of revelation in bodybuilding, lol.

Firstly there's no need to get so personal, it's just an opinion. But yes, that's precisely what I'm implying. Tone down the freak knob and judge them based on symmetry and physical aesthetics. Like I said, I think a BB should look attractive to women and impressive to men. Most women are turned off by BB's physiques to be frank.

What gives me the right? I have the right to an opinion, just like anyone else on this board. Just as you have to the right to yours. It's a free Internet. So do you think that the BB judges should have superior bodies in order to be a judge? That's a ridiculous statement. I have no desire to become a pro or anything even remotely close to it. My goals are very modest.

I don't think it looks right for someone 5'10 walking around at 250 regardless of their waist size. Like I said, I want to see symmetry and be inspired by physical perfections, not just massive muscles.

Yeah I think Bostin is uncovering a lot of the mystique of BB and hopefully it will open a lot of people's eyes that what they're doing to obtain those types of bodies isn't healthy. I'm not an expert on BB, but I'm no slouch either. I've seen every Olympia that you can get on dvd. I'd say I'm a fan of the sport, I just would like to see it progress in a more 'human' direction.

My parents are dutch btw, Tot ziens.

[Unbiasedfan]

Firstly there's no need to get so personal, it's just an opinion. But yes, that's precisely what I'm implying. Tone down the freak knob and judge them based on symmetry and physical aesthetics. Like I said, I think a BB should look attractive to women and impressive to men. Most women are turned off by BB's physiques to be frank.

What gives me the right? I have the right to an opinion, just like anyone else on this board. Just as you have to the right to yours. It's a free Internet. So do you think that the BB judges should have superior bodies in order to be a judge? That's a ridiculous statement. I have no desire to become a pro or anything even remotely close to it. My goals are very modest.

I don't think it looks right for someone 5'10 walking around at 250 regardless of their waist size. Like I said, I want to see symmetry and be inspired by physical perfections, not just massive muscles.

Yeah I think Bostin is uncovering a lot of the mystique of BB and hopefully it will open a lot of people's eyes that what they're doing to obtain those types of bodies isn't healthy. I'm not an expert on BB, but I'm no slouch either. I've seen every Olympia that you can get on dvd. I'd say I'm a fan of the sport, I just would like to see it progress in a more 'human' direction.

My parents are dutch btw, Tot ziens.

Im going to give you a great gift: google men's physique, ENJOY!

Now leave bodybuilding to us real fans.

[intensebro]

Im going to give you a great gift: google men's physique, ENJOY!

Now leave bodybuilding to us real fans.

Such a ridiculous thing to say. He made some good points.

I follow the IFBB because I love bodybuilding and it's what's there but the physiques have gotten pretty ridiculous. I remember growing up and my father showing me footage of Franco Columbu (that was his favorite BB, we are both short) and Arnold, and seeing the guys posing and what not from that era. I remember thinking even as a kid "Man, I really want to look like that some day."

When I see a picture of a bodybuilder of today my first instinct is just to laugh. It's just so cartoony and ridiculous. I respect the hard work and dedication, and love bodybuilding, so I follow it and keep up to date on everything. The cannon ball deltoids and massive guts just aren't for me. The guy makes good points. It's not appealing and it is why BBing is so nichey right now. The physiques are cartoony and comical looking. That being said a lot of body building, whether we talk about the judge panel or us as fans, IS PURELY SUBJECTIVE. So what I think really doesn't matter.

I'm not right or wrong, and neither is that guy. We just have opinions. Telling someone they are not a real fan of the sport kind of says they don't have passion for it. There's plenty of older bodybuilders who hate the physiques the guys today have. So I guess they don't have real passion for the sport either.

**** me man I can remember Dorian saying in a video he didn't like the guys physiques today and his era and the ones before were superior. Would you walk up to Dorian and tell him he should go follow men's physique?

Come on.

[BartPimpson]

I like old school physiques better too, but that's like me preferring to casually play Starcraft II rather than being some autistic pro gamer from Korea counting APMs and so forth. They do what they have to do to be at that level of competition.

[MaKaiser]

I follow the IFBB because I love bodybuilding and it's what's there but the physiques have gotten pretty ridiculous.

I agree they are absolutley ridiculous!

[intensebro]

I like old school physiques better too, but that's like me preferring to casually play Starcraft II rather than being some autistic pro gamer from Korea counting APMs and so forth. They do what they have to do to be at that level of competition.

You're right and lol @ korean gamer reference.

I think you can appreciate the physiques the IFBB offers without finding them appealing, if that makes any level of sense.

[Unbiasedfan]

I think you can appreciate the physiques the IFBB offers without finding them appealing, if that makes any level of sense.

It makes perfect sense. The job of a judge is to look at the bodybuilders as objectively as possible and judge them according to the criteria. Their individual feelings of what is appealing should be irrelevant.

Dorian said he didn't like the physiques of his era? lol.

Bodybuilding is constantly evolving according to the judging criteria. The reason Arnold won in the 70's is the same reason Hanye won in the 80's, Dorian in the 90's and so on. The standards changed because the top bodybuilders got better, according to the judging criteria.

If you set limits to any kind of development you destroy the sport and make it a constant for all time. In men's physique you have limits for size, meaning that the physiques will always look the same, forever. Doesn't get more boring than that.

As long as this sport exists, there will be improvement according to the genetic pool of the time. And with that, there will always be people bitching about how good the old days were.

[RoroCwalker]

Firstly there's no need to get so personal, it's just an opinion. But yes, that's precisely what I'm implying. Tone down the freak knob and judge them based on symmetry and physical aesthetics. Like I said, I think a BB should look attractive to women and impressive to men. Most women are turned off by BB's physiques to be frank.

You're basing your competitive bodybuilding criteria on the average women's opinion? How naive and moronic can you be? Excuse me but this is too much, you lost all credibility.

I seriously can't believe I just read that..what...I mean...seriously? What?

And Zyzz winning the Olympia over any Olympian? What an insult, an absolute blasphemy to bodybuilding. Please, do yourself a favour and banish yourself from this section.

That really got on my nerves, how can you be so ignorant towards bodybuilding and post here?

You've seen every Olympia that you can get on dvd, yet you'd rather see Zyzz win the Olympia, what are you saying? Are you even analysing your own sentences before typing them in?

Yes, I'm mad. I can't believe I just read what you just said.

[JackOo]

I'm not even going to bother quoting that guys post this time. I think there's a huge difference between offering your (retarded) opinion, and dicatating how other people SHOULD look based on how other people percieve them (as in your example of "women find it gross"). That's not just offering an opinion, that's telling people how they should do things, which is dumb.

Here's some pics to prove my point. Please explain to me how these guys have wide waists (Ed Nunn, Juan Morel, John Delarosa, Phil Heath, Elssbiay Mamdouh, and Victor Martinez btw, as I'm sure you have no idea who they are lol):








So yeah, obviously there are guys who have massive waists. There are also a lot of pros who don't. Changes can also be made while carrying a lot of mass. Kai at the 2012 Olympia for example, Victor also isn't carrying the same waist line at the Toronto Pro as he was at the 2011 Olympia.

Also I think if you're going to give "women don't like it" as a shining example of how people should look, then yes I think you should be able to display what you're talking about with your own body. Otherwise why even use that as a reason if you can't even live up to your own standard and reasoning?

[BartPimpson]

Zyzz was just some 23 year old who became famous for partying and making funny videos. His physique was nothing special for a user.

[Groggery]

Opinions can be wrong. And like all things, if they're wrong, they're best kept to yourself.

[Unbiasedfan]

On the g4p subject, was watching dahmer's trial and one of his victims was a bodybuilder according to him. It didn't end well.

[Soforak]

Zyzz was just some 23 year old who became famous for partying and making funny videos. His physique was nothing special for a user.

thank u, i dont get the hype all over this kid..

[chevy2g3]

Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.

Wow that's a good quote! I'm using this as soon as I can!

[mattvdh]

It makes perfect sense. The job of a judge is to look at the bodybuilders as objectively as possible and judge them according to the criteria. Their individual feelings of what is appealing should be irrelevant.

Dorian said he didn't like the physiques of his era? lol.

Bodybuilding is constantly evolving according to the judging criteria. The reason Arnold won in the 70's is the same reason Hanye won in the 80's, Dorian in the 90's and so on. The standards changed because the top bodybuilders got better, according to the judging criteria.

If you set limits to any kind of development you destroy the sport and make it a constant for all time. In men's physique you have limits for size, meaning that the physiques will always look the same, forever. Doesn't get more boring than that.

As long as this sport exists, there will be improvement according to the genetic pool of the time. And with that, there will always be people bitching about how good the old days were.

Personally I don't think Yates' generation was very good looking. It was his era that brought fourth the freakish size and pot bellies.

Yeah there's limits to the size but everyone is different. I think people should work with what they've got and sculpt their bodies into a work of art. I'm not against gear, I'm just against abuse of it. The gear they used in the 70's was a good amount. They didn't have GH or Insulin and a few others that they do today, just dbol, deca, primobolan, and test.

Well I don't think the bodies have gotten better, that's my point. I think they look much worse than ever actually. I don't find it inspiring to look at Yates or Coleman, they obviously look like they're on hardcore gear. You should look at a BB and think 'wow now that's a good looking body, I'd love to have that body type', not 'holy crap what a monster/mutant/freak etc'.

When the sport was more about aesthetics than raw muscles you were also inspired by their confidence on stage and how they thought of themselves. When you looked at Arnold you thought 'man, now that guy has a ton of confidence, not a shred of insecurity', now that's inspiring on many different levels. When it's a competition of aesthetics vs just pure muscularity there's a huge difference in the mind set in what the BB is thinking or projecting. A lot the BB look like they're compensating for their insecurities with the over developed muscles.

[mattvdh]

You're basing your competitive bodybuilding criteria on the average women's opinion? How naive and moronic can you be? Excuse me but this is too much, you lost all credibility.

I seriously can't believe I just read that..what...I mean...seriously? What?

And Zyzz winning the Olympia over any Olympian? What an insult, an absolute blasphemy to bodybuilding. Please, do yourself a favour and banish yourself from this section.

That really got on my nerves, how can you be so ignorant towards bodybuilding and post here?

You've seen every Olympia that you can get on dvd, yet you'd rather see Zyzz win the Olympia, what are you saying? Are you even analysing your own sentences before typing them in?

Yes, I'm mad. I can't believe I just read what you just said.

calm down son, it'll be alright.