phil heath. i think he has reachd his potential

[Canuck77]

I kinda agree with this, i think he can get bigger but that wont work for him. imo he was better in 2011 then 2012 when he was smaller.





Im not the biggest Phil fan but i really like his look in 2011, looks epic.

Agreed. Seems he sacrificed his epic '11 conditioning for some extra size...I like the 2011 version better for sure.

Also, I know this has been beaten to death but I can't help noticing his neck in the front double bi in 2012...look at 2011, no neck issue, chiseled...doesn't mean anything at the end of the day I suppose but it is somewhat distracting for the casual viewer. Just doesn't have that same overall "aesthetic" flow from a glance with the thick neck...imho...

[trulyhuge1]

While I agree this thread is retarded, neck aside, he hasn't really grown since 2011.

Sure he has. He has filled in his chest/delts and almost covered up his narrow shoulder width. I call that progression.

[trulyhuge1]

Agreed. Seems he sacrificed his epic '11 conditioning for some extra size...I like the 2011 version better for sure.

Also, I know this has been beaten to death but I can't help noticing his neck in the front double bi in 2012...look at 2011, no neck issue, chiseled...doesn't mean anything at the end of the day I suppose but it is somewhat distracting for the casual viewer. Just doesn't have that same overall "aesthetic" flow from a glance with the thick neck...imho...

You do understand that pictures do not show (most of the time) the exact "hit" of a pose right?!

[Larfleeze]

Sure he has. He has filled in his chest/delts and almost covered up his narrow shoulder width. I call that progression.

His width only really hurts him from the front imo. His delts compensate enough from the back, it's only when you see how tiny his chest is (insertion wise) that it's an issue.

And in relation to the other post, his neck was noticeable in other shots too.

[Soforak]

since when can phil heaths chromosomes type on internet forums?

[trulyhuge1]

Can someone explain to me why Phil Heath having a thicker neck is such an issue? I do not buy that it is a distraction.

[thebestthereiz]

Can someone explain to me why Phil Heath having a thicker neck is such an issue? I do not buy that it is a distraction.

illusion

[jahaa]

Can someone explain to me why Phil Heath having a thicker neck is such an issue? I do not buy that it is a distraction.

Not really a issue for me but dont you agree the way he hit the FDB above in 2011 is better then the 2012 version?

[trulyhuge1]

Not really a issue for me but dont you agree the way he hit the FDB above in 2011 is better then the 2012 version?

I thought he was a bit more polished condition speaking in 2011 but I preferred the 2012 version better. I thought he looked to have filled in gaps in a lot of areas.
So, answering your question I say no. But to each his own.
There is no "illusion" being ruined with Phil and his neck. He looked bigger/more complete BUT a bit less conditioned (but still very shapr).

[203mh]

If I recall correctly... the goal for Phil in 2012 was to play the fullness game... does anyone have a comparison of him at the finals vs pre-judging? Will rep

[Deano87]

I thought he was a bit more polished condition speaking in 2011 but I preferred the 2012 version better. I thought he looked to have filled in gaps in a lot of areas.
So, answering your question I say no. But to each his own.
There is no "illusion" being ruined with Phil and his neck. He looked bigger/more complete BUT a bit less conditioned (but still very shapr).

This. Comparison pics wont completely show this.

[RoroCwalker]

His width only really hurts him from the front imo. His delts compensate enough from the back, it's only when you see how tiny his chest is (insertion wise) that it's an issue.

And in relation to the other post, his neck was noticeable in other shots too.

His width is worse from the back, a lot worse.

[Larfleeze]

His width is worse from the back, a lot worse.

[flangmasterj]

His width is worse from the back, a lot worse.

You're wrong.

[TropicalSunset]

His chest is huge, but from the front in the MM it gets this weird shape that is VERY unpleasing. Compare it to Kai's chest in the same pose. For me, Kai takes that particular MM with hands on hips easily.

Phil should avoid ever hitting it, especially when next to people wider then him, meaning anyone from 3rd grade up.

[TropicalSunset]

I am just looking at the way he hit that side chest in 2012 and he seems to have rotated his hand more, which shows off his forearm more and makes his biceps peak less.

I wonder if this was a conscious choice, knowing he wasn't going to out-peak Kai, but playing to his strengths, which would be his forearms and overall thickness of the arm.

[Handcannon]

his upper is kind of near maxed out, his lower body however is not close.

[RoroCwalker]

[img]http://kulturistika.ronnie.cz/img/data/clanky/galerie_2011/13481_141_1.jpg[/mg]

You're wrong.

His shoulders save him from the front more than front the back.

[MaKaiser]

Been said a million times but I will say it again. The title of the thread was VERY clear. If you didn't care about it, why would you click it?

Please point out the improvements Phil made in the whole last year which he took off to "separate himself" from the competition. Kai improved, yet Phil came in the same, if not inferior version of 2011. I am not saying he might not prove that he can improve still, but OP made a valid point, which you can agree with or disagree with without childish name calling.

I'm coming for you!

Why, I cannot say.

Where, you cannot know.

How I will get there...I haven't decided yet.

[Big Slim DaDDy]

kinda dissapointing he will never reach ronnie level

Neither will anyone else.

[R3L3NTL3SS]

He certainly didn't look any different from 2011 to 2012...
I call that peaked out.
Meanwhile - Kai at 11 weeks out is looking stupid huge, making clear headway from last year, and super lean.
http://www.flexonline.com/videos/ifb...s-2013-olympia
Anyway - Kai Greene 2013 Mr. O.

[Larfleeze]

His shoulders save him from the front more than front the back.

[img]http://pics.musculardevelopment.com/photos/transferred/_PB73995wtmk.JPG[img]
[img]http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=442667.0;attach=48 6291;image[img]

Uhh..no. From the front you can see how tiny his chest insertion is. That hurts him more than anything.

[sexnews]

[trulyhuge1]

Uhh..no. From the front you can see how tiny his chest insertion is. That hurts him more than anything.

And he has hidden that flaw rather well gradually since 2007 with improved delts and an increase in chest size.

[trulyhuge1]

Impressive

[sexnews]

Funny:

[Ajthemeso]

of course he hasn't but I don't think he'll look better with more size though.

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/pYFDKCw.jpg[/IM]

love his side tri! crazy thickness!

[lth]

When we see a pro bodybuilder like Freeman implie that phil won't improve much and being proven oh so wrong, i think we should always give heath the benefit of the doubt.

People kept saying he was maxed and he kept proving them wrong until 2013. Coming from a not so great (by his own standarts) showing will make it easier for phil to improve this year.

Anyone have this vid of freeman calling out phil? I remember people saying this but id like to see the vid of that and what phil replied to that

[majidcg]

width without detail = nothing

[203mh]

Anyone have this vid of freeman calling out phil? I remember people saying this but id like to see the vid of that and what phil replied to that

http://videos.bodybuilding.com/watch...ess-conference

Phil starts at around 28:00
The Toney Freeman/Phil stuff at around 31:00