George Zimmerman Trial, Part 4

[PostMoves]

pullin an all nighter for gz tonight! making some coffee, putting new batteries in my tv remote, got my shoebox shooting scene that i built all in place, fuark! here we go here we go! tomorrows the big day!

[MrErnieWinkles]

This guy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMOcZQ5d60w

This guy
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMOcZQ5d60w

lmao learn 2 misc breh

[Clamz]

it's gonna suck waking up and sitting here waiting for the verdict if they end up deliberating for several days, lol.

[DuffMiver]

The judge was probably picked by the Obama administration.

[sabb3r]

So how does deliberation work? Does the judge, defense and prosecution sit around at the court indefinitely until they reach a verdict?

[BobbyGz]

I disagree with nothing you posted. My OPINION of him is bad, he knew by being a disgusting weak fat body that if he were to get in a fight he would lose, he felt strong by having his firearm and was taught a lesson about how weak he was (getting assaulted is not legal). TMs behavior was unacceptable and he paid the price for it.

Sounds like most cops.

[AMERICAN_BEAST]

2 hours

[metroins]

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...96B0WK20130712

I dunno if we're all gonna make it brahs.

A GLIMPSE AT THE JURY

Juror B29 is the sole minority on the jury panel. The mother of eight children, all but one younger than 18, works the overnight shift at a nursing home that cares for Alzheimer's patients. Before her recent move to Florida, she lived in Chicago, where she saw vendors selling T-shirts bearing an image of Martin's face.

Juror B37 is a mother of two who grew up in a military family and used to have a permit to carry a concealed weapon. She thinks most gun training is inadequate, and when asked her thoughts during jury selection on the right to bear arms, she told the judge, "I have an issue with what kind of arms they're allowed to bear."

Juror B76 is active in pet rescue and is the mother of two grown children. After working in a family construction business, she now manages family rental properties. She told the judge, "Our family's pretty open minded ... We like to base our judgment on the whole story."

Juror E40 has worked as a safety officer for 20 years. She is the mother of a grown son who recently moved to central Florida from Iowa. She told the judge she believes gun owners need to realize "there's a responsibility attached to bear arms."

Juror E6 is a mother of two who told the judge she transformed news of the shooting into a "teaching moment" that enabled her to talk to her children about "behavior that was safe, not that you're doing anything wrong, but be proactive ... don't put yourself in harm's way." She worked for a short time in financial services but is currently unemployed and enjoys gardening.

Juror B51 is single and retired from her job as a business manager overseeing 1,200 employees at a call center. In her job she became experienced with changing her mind when presented with new facts. She spends her free time visiting family. After initially hearing news of the shooting, she told the judge she was surprised that a neighborhood watch program would have someone taking as active a role as Zimmerman did. She said Zimmerman was in the wrong when he ignored a dispatcher's instruction to not follow Martin. "He didn't wait and the rest. We know what happened," she said

[Staberella]

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...96B0WK20130712

I dunno if we're all gonna make it brahs.

Does Florida have different rules during Jury selection? In NYC if you even read a short piece in the Times or the Daily or even have the slightest knowledge about any case you are automatically 86'ed.

[metroins]

Does Florida have different rules during Jury selection? In NYC if you even read a short piece in the Times or the Daily or even have the slightest knowledge about any case you are automatically 86'ed.

No clue at all, I thought that's how it worked too; maybe case was so saturated in news, that the pool was definitely compromised, only options left were minimizing the exposure.

Could be grounds for appeal since defense asked for venue change, but the news was nationwide so that might not hold much weight.

[AMERICAN_BEAST]

in.

edit: 6'5 225 - lol manlet

[Staberella]

No clue at all, I thought that's how it worked too; maybe case was so saturated in news, that the pool was definitely compromised, only options left were minimizing the exposure.

Could be grounds for appeal since defense asked for venue change, but the news was nationwide so that might not hold much weight.

They could have found someone better than Juror B51 though imo. Seems like she's a retired stay at home cat lady that watches TV all day.

[taddpole]

They could have found someone better than Juror B51 though imo. Seems like she's a retired stay at home cat lady that watches TV all day.

Juror B29 is the sole minority The mother of eight children

Juror E6 currently unemployed and enjoys gardening.

[Cablebob]

Good morning guys. Looking forward to an acquittal today. Anything else would be a joke. Btw, I don't know GZ or TM. All I know are the facts presented in the case and some facts that were withheld. GZ shouldn't be convicted on the facts presented IMO.

[tentex87]

I have a bad feeling that gz is going to be spending a long time in jail due to race baiting and an all female jury making emotionally charged decisions. There is no evodence in this case even remotely indicating that gz ccommitted any type of crime. The justice system will fail us.

I wonder if there will be any public outcry when he is convicted? Its just such a huge blow to gun owners. I would be scared to defend myself at all after this.

[bobbydigitaloa]

Good morning guys. Looking forward to an acquittal today. Anything else would be a joke. Btw, I don't know GZ or TM. All I know are the facts presented in the case and some facts that were withheld. GZ shouldn't be convicted on the facts presented IMO.

Agreed.

[Staberella]

Juror B29 is the sole minority The mother of eight children

Juror E6 currently unemployed and enjoys gardening.

I was saying last night that I think B29 might be the weakest link because she's from Chicago and might be unaware or can't understand that you can actually use a firearm to defend yourself from imment bodily harm in Florida. She was the one that was supposedly tearing up during Costner's closing rebuttal.

As for juror E6 she worked in finance for awhile which means she has to be able to use logic over emotions and is a proponent of public safety. You never know what her thoughts are when actually faced with a violent situation.

[DrBB]

Good morning guys. Looking forward to an acquittal today. Anything else would be a joke. Btw, I don't know GZ or TM. All I know are the facts presented in the case and some facts that were withheld. GZ shouldn't be convicted on the facts presented IMO.

Right on.
Hoping for REAL justice today.. which would be GZ walking out of that court room

[Purepwnage]

I have a bad feeling that gz is going to be spending a long time in jail due to race baiting and an all female jury making emotionally charged decisions. There is no evodence in this case even remotely indicating that gz ccommitted any type of crime. The justice system will fail us.

I wonder if there will be any public outcry when he is convicted? Its just such a huge blow to gun owners. I would be scared to defend myself at all after this.

100% I'd bet my future earnings that he doesn't get 2nd degree, but manslaughter? they want him to go down soooooooooooooo bad, this is the only way he is going down.

[andrew28]

even though one juror was supposedly tearing up during the trial, it could mean anything. maybe she's tearing up because she knows there's gonna be an acquittal and that the martin family has to move on with no son. idk. im still holding out hope that they make the right call.

[The Chillosopher]

Even if he's found guilty, the decision will just be appealed and likely overturned at a higher court. They won't use jurors at a higher court level, and based on all the evidence in this case, there is no reason why GZ would be found guilty.

[cubaboymatt1316]

From the Jury's instructions:

If in your consideration of the issue of self-defense you have a reasonable doubt on the question of whether George Zimmerman was justified in the use of deadly force, you should find George Zimmerman not guilty.

There is no way, after watching this trial, that someone either Pro-GZ or Pro-TM would be able to 100% know if GZ was justified in the use of deadly force or not. This one statement is all one needs to know GZ is NOT guilty.

If you're mad he's not guilty, be bad at the prosecution for failing to prove he wasn't in fear for his life. If you're mad that GZ got out of his car or mad that TM was unarmed....be aware it doesn't matter. If you think, for some unknown reason, you are the one living soul on the planet that knows 100% whether or not GZ was justified in use of deadly force (based on evidence) then you are a special snowflake indeed.

[DrBB]

Even if he's found guilty, the decision will just be appealed and likely overturned at a higher court. They won't use jurors at a higher court level, and based on all the evidence in this case, there is no reason why GZ would be found guilty.

Man I disagree.
Although that would be the RIGHT thing.. I think there is too much political pressure and no judge is gonna risk their seat for GZ.
Hopefully there will be no need for appeal though.

[metroins]

More about the jurors.

I gotta get ready to teach today; so I can't look more up.

http://www.baynews9.com/content/news...ial_day_8.html

E-6She has lived in Seminole county for two years. She is married. Her spouse works as an engineer. She has two children, ages 11 and 13. She is unemployed, but worked for nine months in financial services. She is a church member and volunteered at her kids’ school. She has been called for a jury, but never served
Juror E-6 says she was arrested in Brevard County in 1999. She says she was treated fairly. She says she wouldn’t hold it against the state.
E-6 says she was involved in a domestic violence case, but it would not impact.
E-6 says a family friend worked as a detective
E-6 says she was involved in a custody trial. She says she was treated fairly.

Juror E-6 asks a question. She asks about circumstantial evidence.
De la Rionda addresses B-29 about the TV shows. She says she likes the real world.

Rionda addresses Juror B-29.
She says she has worked at her current job for three months. She also worked as a CNA for seven years. She calls her house an “organization.”

[The Chillosopher]

From the Jury's instructions:



There is no way, after watching this trial, that someone either Pro-GZ or Pro-TM would be able to 100% know if GZ was justified in the use of deadly force or not. This one statement is all one needs to know GZ is guilty.

If you're mad he's not guilty, be bad at the prosecution for failing to prove he wasn't in fear for his life. If you're mad that GZ got out of his car or mad that TM was unarmed....be aware it doesn't matter. If you think, for some unknown reason, you are the one living soul on the planet that knows 100% whether or not GZ was justified in use of deadly force (based on evidence) then you are a special snowflake indeed.

Doubt as to whether or not the use of deadly force was justifiable would make him not guilty.

[cubaboymatt1316]

Doubt as to whether or not the use of deadly force was justifiable would make him not guilty.

Whoops. Worst spot to mistype. Fixed.

[Cablebob]

Man I disagree.
Although that would be the RIGHT thing.. I think there is too much political pressure and no judge is gonna risk their seat for GZ.
Hopefully there will be no need for appeal though.

High profile legal analyst on good morning America said if the jurors follow the law, GZ should come back not guilty. Dan Abrahms is a lawyer and has had all night to review the evidence presented.

[AMERICAN_BEAST]

E-6She has lived in Seminole county for two years. She is married. Her spouse works as an engineer. She has two children, ages 11 and 13. She is unemployed, but worked for nine months in financial services. She is a church member and volunteered at her kids’ school. She has been called for a jury, but never served. She is hispanic and black
Juror E-6 says she was arrested in Brevard County in 1999. She says she was treated fairly. She says she wouldn’t hold it against the state.
E-6 says she was involved in a domestic violence case, but it would not impact.
E-6 says a family friend worked as a detective and is black
E-6 says she was involved in a custody trial. She says she was treated fairly. She is black.

Juror E-6 asks a question. She asks about circumstantial evidence. She is Dominican
De la Rionda addresses B-29 about the TV shows. She says she likes the real world.

Rionda addresses Juror B-29.
She says she has worked at her current job for three months. She also worked as a CNA for seven years. She calls her house an “organization.”

are you serious??? every juror is black! (no racist) How is this fair??

[The Chillosopher]

Man I disagree.
Although that would be the RIGHT thing.. I think there is too much political pressure and no judge is gonna risk their seat for GZ.
Hopefully there will be no need for appeal though.

One thing I've learned after watching all of this is that having a jury made up of normal everyday people, who know nothing about the legal system or the courts, decide a person's fate is beyond ridiculous. Jurors should consist entirely of active or retired judges and lawyers who actually know how to correctly apply and interpret the laws and analyze all the evidence objectively .

[Staberella]

are you serious??? every juror is black! (no racist) How is this fair??

E6 is not black. Only the juror 29 from Chicago is a minority and she is Hispanic.