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    I'm going to be passing it up as well and sticking with White Flood.

    Sorry USPLabs, but nothing will ever compare to the original Jack3d. I actually PREFERRED the DMAA in the original. It was safe if you used it in proper doses, had decent health and no heart issues.
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    Much like Craze? Craze has remained a staple in my stack for quite some time. How does it stack with other products? (Agmatine & CM). I'm definitely taking a look into this. PES, never heard of this company either. Feel me in
    PES pretty much popularized Erase (3-desoxy,7-keto dhea) and Anacyclus Pyrethrum, and there are the "Pro" and "Elite" versions which use a combination of novel and human-proven ingredients to achieve actual changes in body composition. Then there's alphamine, which started the powdered fat burner trend you now see. And Enhanced, which now seems to be starting its own trend it would seem. Other products have been in and out of the lineup, i.e. the new Alpha-T2, which is a low-stim fat burner alternative. We will also be introducing shift fairly soon, a non-stim fat burner.
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    I have always been particularly sensitive to the appetite increase that AnaBeta provides. Before I worked for PES I was one of the beta testers and I almost had to reduce the dose because I couldn't handle the constant hunger.

    I started it today after a four week break. I finished steak and potatoes at a restaurant and 30 minutes later I was so hungry I drove home quickly so I could eat more food.

    15 minutes after that and I have just finished an entire box of cereal lol.
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    Originally Posted by Ultimarok View Post
    I'm going to be passing it up as well and sticking with White Flood.

    Sorry USPLabs, but nothing will ever compare to the original Jack3d. I actually PREFERRED the DMAA in the original. It was safe if you used it in proper doses, had decent health and no heart issues.
    I agree. Original Jack3d can never be replaced. You can't replace a legend.
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    Originally Posted by Ultimarok View Post
    I'm going to be passing it up as well and sticking with White Flood.

    Sorry USPLabs, but nothing will ever compare to the original Jack3d. I actually PREFERRED the DMAA in the original. It was safe if you used it in proper doses, had decent health and no heart issues.
    Originally Posted by NorCalMike View Post
    I agree. Original Jack3d can never be replaced. You can't replace a legend.
    If you guys feel that strongly about it, why not stock up now while it is still easy to get?
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    Originally Posted by NorCalMike View Post
    I agree. Original Jack3d can never be replaced. You can't replace a legend.
    Not much of a legend. Just a mainstream product that got pushed real hard at brick and mortar shops like VS and GNC, but hardly a legend. Stuff was pretty underdosed for the most part.
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    Originally Posted by Dewey99 View Post
    If you guys feel that strongly about it, why not stock up now while it is still easy to get?
    I would if I didn't have a bunch of other pre-workouts now. So I'm finishing up a tub of Jack3d and that'll be it for good, unfortunately.

    Originally Posted by kissdadookie View Post
    Not much of a legend. Just a mainstream product that got pushed real hard at brick and mortar shops like VS and GNC, but hardly a legend. Stuff was pretty underdosed for the most part.
    Jack3d is the reason concentrated pre-workouts exploded on the market. Everyone was trying to copy it. It's a legend because it changed the whole category and of course because it works.
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    You have to give USP props in the fact they rode the wave of the original Jacked (yes, Jacked, not Jack3d) with DMAA this far into a profitable company, and now produce a "Jacked/Mirco/Extreme/Whatever" that is NOTHING like the effects of the original Jacked. On that name value alone they have managed to make #1 or so in sales here and other online stores.

    They also handled promotion extremely well, if you ever hit the gym and speak to novices about a pre-workout they ALWAYS mention Jack3d...ALWAYS.
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    Originally Posted by TommyTuffGuy View Post
    You have to give USP props in the fact they rode the wave of the original Jacked (yes, Jacked, not Jack3d) with DMAA this far into a profitable company, and now produce a "Jacked/Mirco/Extreme/Whatever" that is NOTHING like the effects of the original Jacked. On that name value alone they have managed to make #1 or so in sales here and other online stores.

    They also handled promotion extremely well, if you ever hit the gym and speak to novices about a pre-workout they ALWAYS mention Jack3d...ALWAYS.
    i'm with you. while everyone else immediately changed their 1,3 formula jack3d kept dishing it out. they fought it until the end. and i hate when people call it jack three D
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    Originally Posted by Kdawg22 View Post
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    I would definitely say that MM is one of the strongest pwo's I have used.

    Originally Posted by TommyTuffGuy View Post
    You have to give USP props in the fact they rode the wave of the original Jacked (yes, Jacked, not Jack3d) with DMAA this far into a profitable company, and now produce a "Jacked/Mirco/Extreme/Whatever" that is NOTHING like the effects of the original Jacked. On that name value alone they have managed to make #1 or so in sales here and other online stores.

    They also handled promotion extremely well, if you ever hit the gym and speak to novices about a pre-workout they ALWAYS mention Jack3d...ALWAYS.
    I think you hit the nail on the head. Jack3d is not a legend from a quality perspective as much as it is from a marketing perspective.
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    Originally Posted by NorCalMike View Post
    I would if I didn't have a bunch of other pre-workouts now. So I'm finishing up a tub of Jack3d and that'll be it for good, unfortunately.



    Jack3d is the reason concentrated pre-workouts exploded on the market. Everyone was trying to copy it. It's a legend because it changed the whole category and of course because it works.
    i agree. i remember thinking how much nicer the small tub was, and small scoop. no more half bottles of powders with huge scoopers
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    The Jack3d AF formula is clearly dramatically better than the original Jack3d. What are you all smoking?
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    Originally Posted by ultramario17 View Post
    i'm with you. while everyone else immediately changed their 1,3 formula jack3d kept dishing it out. they fought it until the end. and i hate when people call it jack three D
    Yea because it was a huge money maker, the popularity of the product was very strong, so it obviously makes sense why they stuck out. Usp is probably coming out with this formula because micro has not gone over too well and they will lose a lot of jacked buyers to other companies
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    Originally Posted by De__eB View Post
    The Jack3d AF formula is clearly dramatically better than the original Jack3d. What are you all smoking?
    The overall formula is definitely better, but it lost the main draw for most, which is DMAA. I don't understand all the lamenting losing it either, since there are plenty of better options out there, including choices with DMAA.
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    Originally Posted by Dewey99 View Post
    The overall formula is definitely better, but it lost the main draw for most, which is DMAA. I don't understand all the lamenting losing it either, since there are plenty of better options out there, including choices with DMAA.
    This. I'm sorry out of all the good DMAA workouts Jack3d is definitely at the lower end of the spectrum.
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    Originally Posted by Smoker145 View Post
    Yea because it was a huge money maker, the popularity of the product was very strong, so it obviously makes sense why they stuck out. Usp is probably coming out with this formula because micro has not gone over too well and they will lose a lot of jacked buyers to other companies

    dont you feel like 100 mg of caffein per serving is kind of a weak replacement from the original?
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    Originally Posted by Kdawg22 View Post
    This. I'm sorry out of all the good DMAA workouts Jack3d is definitely at the lower end of the spectrum.
    yea, like the og c4.. that stuff was so good i couldnt even get a boner, wanted to do pushups instead
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    So I see they've "advanced" to the point of ripping off other companies. How evolutionary of them
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    Originally Posted by ultramario17 View Post
    dont you feel like 100 mg of caffein per serving is kind of a weak replacement from the original?
    They added Yohimbe, I don't think you would want more caffeine per serving.
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    Originally Posted by Kdawg22 View Post
    They added Yohimbe, I don't think you would want more caffeine per serving.
    doesnt friction have 400mg caffein plus yohimbe
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    Originally Posted by Dewey99 View Post
    The overall formula is definitely better, but it lost the main draw for most, which is DMAA. I don't understand all the lamenting losing it either, since there are plenty of better options out there, including choices with DMAA.
    I don't know about the rest of you, but I bought a kilogram of DMAA, sealed 90% of it, and use it on occasion when I want to.

    Hey look, now you can have Jack3d with a superior formula, AND your DMAA.
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    Originally Posted by ultramario17 View Post
    dont you feel like 100 mg of caffein per serving is kind of a weak replacement from the original?
    The original only had 66mg of caffeine per scoop.

    So...no?
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    Originally Posted by ultramario17 View Post
    doesnt friction have 400mg caffein plus yohimbe
    And for that reason I would never use friction. I do enjoy not having a heart attack.
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    Originally Posted by ultramario17 View Post
    dont you feel like 100 mg of caffein per serving is kind of a weak replacement from the original?
    It's not all about caffeine in pwos. I've taken Hyde (419 mg caffeine) and it didn't do that much for me. I'm currently taking conquer which is low caf and I get a great workout with it.
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    Originally Posted by Kdawg22 View Post
    And for that reason I would never use friction. I do enjoy not having a heart attack.
    I wouldn't be surprised if Muscle Marinade had more stims total though because of the DMAA.
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    Originally Posted by Kdawg22 View Post
    And for that reason I would never use friction. I do enjoy not having a heart attack.
    Nah, you'd be ok. I use that 400 mg caffeine version of Friction

    Originally Posted by Smoker145 View Post
    It's not all about caffeine in pwos. I've taken Hyde (419 mg caffeine) and it didn't do that much for me. I'm currently taking conquer which is low caf and I get a great workout with it.
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    Originally Posted by NorCalMike View Post
    I wouldn't be surprised if Muscle Marinade had more stims total though because of the DMAA.
    Muscle Marinade is so much more than just a pre workout...... Its gods supplement to human beings, in a legal context.
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    Originally Posted by kissdadookie View Post
    Nah, you'd be ok. I use that 400 mg caffeine version of Friction



    Love OG Hyde. The stims come on smooth rather than hitting you over the head with a stimulant wallop.
    Kiss how many cups of coffee have you had this morning
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    Originally Posted by Kdawg22 View Post
    Kiss how many cups of coffee have you had this morning
    None All I had today was one cap of Ripped Freak fat burner (stuff is weak sauce) since it was only treadmill day. I change up my stims on the daily
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