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    Originally Posted by jcastil7 View Post
    Even with the higenamine (norcoclaurine) and swertia, I don't think it will be quite as effective as Enhanced. Enhanced is definitely one of my favorite pre's in terms of pumps and focus. I think the key ingredient that makes the big difference between this Jack3d Advance and Enhanced is the Cytidine 5-diphosphocholine.
    I agree completely. Enhanced at 1.5 scoops is great for me. I am not good with yohimbe either...only slightly higher shortness of breath. I think the citicholine/agmatine will make a difference. Plus it can be had for 25 bucks. Used before the avi and let's say I was rocking that late in the day

    Looks like a complete copy of the stim blend though. Kinda weak sauce. It will get to the masses PES does not reach yet.
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    Originally Posted by rob112 View Post
    I agree completely. Enhanced at 1.5 scoops is great for me. I am not good with yohimbe either...only slightly higher shortness of breath. I think the citicholine/agmatine will make a difference. Plus it can be had for 25 bucks. Used before the avi and let's say I was rocking that late in the day

    Looks like a complete copy of the stim blend though. Kinda weak sauce. It will get to the masses PES does not reach yet.
    Agreed. 1.5 scoops of Enhanced is definitely the sweet spot. I have never had any issue with yohimbe, though. It's unfortunate so many people do.
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    Don't want yohimbe? Check out D-Stunner. Also a super concentrated formula with some mind blowing PEA! Tunnel vision in the gym is the best feeling... and for studying too!
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    Originally Posted by extremenergy3 View Post
    Don't want yohimbe? Check out D-Stunner. Also a super concentrated formula with some mind blowing PEA! Tunnel vision in the gym is the best feeling... and for studying too!
    stop advertising your product
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    Originally Posted by extremenergy3 View Post
    Don't want yohimbe? Check out D-Stunner. Also a super concentrated formula with some mind blowing PEA! Tunnel vision in the gym is the best feeling... and for studying too!
    You really that desperate to shill?
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    Originally Posted by extremenergy3 View Post
    Don't want yohimbe? Check out D-Stunner. Also a super concentrated formula with some mind blowing PEA! Tunnel vision in the gym is the best feeling... and for studying too!
    tell me more
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    Originally Posted by BogusForLife View Post
    Shares some similarities with PES Enhanced without as much emphasis on the cognitive boosters or pumps and some fluff ala creatine and beta alanine.

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    Buy Enhanced, profit.
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    Originally Posted by jcastil7 View Post
    Even with the higenamine (norcoclaurine) and swertia, I don't think it will be quite as effective as Enhanced. Enhanced is definitely one of my favorite pre's in terms of pumps and focus. I think the key ingredient that makes the big difference between this Jack3d Advance and Enhanced is the Cytidine 5-diphosphocholine.
    There's more than meets the eye. You have to understand that the effects of a plant (i.e. yohimbe or swertia) is a function of the compounds found within the plant, and hence, the effects of the plant are wholly dependent on the extraction method. We believe we've actually isolated the key active in Swertia, and the nPYE yohimbe extract is the only one of its kind because it's our very own, not based off any studies per se.

    All of that said, extraction is also USPlabs' MO, as seen in extractions of berberine, cissus (formerly 5% ketosterones IIRC), and a few others, so I can't speak for them.

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    Originally Posted by Mr.Cooper69 View Post
    There's more than meets the eye. You have to understand that the effects of a plant (i.e. yohimbe or swertia) is a function of the compounds found within the plant, and hence, the effects of the plant are wholly dependent on the extraction method. We believe we've actually isolated the key active in Swertia, and the nPYE yohimbe extract is the only one of its kind because it's our very own, not based off any studies per se.

    All of that said, extraction is also USPlabs' MO, as seen in extractions of berberine, cissus (formerly 5% ketosterones IIRC), and a few others, so I can't speak for them.
    Oh, I wasn't trying to take away from the effects of the yohimbe or swertia. I just absolutely love the citicholine. But it's obvious that the nootropic blend in Enhanced is insanely good.
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    Originally Posted by extremenergy3 View Post
    Don't want yohimbe? Check out D-Stunner. Also a super concentrated formula with some mind blowing PEA! Tunnel vision in the gym is the best feeling... and for studying too!
    Came in expecting discussion about Jack3d formula.....was not expecting this. I guess being subtle isnt your forte?
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    Originally Posted by extremenergy3 View Post
    Don't want yohimbe? Check out D-Stunner. Also a super concentrated formula with some mind blowing PEA! Tunnel vision in the gym is the best feeling... and for studying too!
    Gotta say LOL to this, completely off topic.

    I like enhanced, 2 scoops is where its at for me, the focus is very good but my favorite part is the pumps..its my understanding the agmatine in it is 98% pure or something?
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    My bad guys I thought it was relevant because people were talking about a preworkout without yohimbe but with other goodies. But I guess we'll just keep with products at hand? Are those products coming to the bb.com store soon?
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    Originally Posted by ISurfNudeBrah View Post
    They removed agmatine and citrulline, and added yohimbe and creatine... Mind blown.
    And made it illegal in Australia in the process.
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    lol you can still get it into aus^ i have 3 tubs of US version Enhanced. there was a customs note when i got it to LOL i also have Alphamine so dont see any troubles with this.
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    This thread is basically making me want to try Enhanced. Lulz.
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    This thread is basically making me want to try Enhanced. Lulz.
    Do it. Just don't start at 2 scoops....
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    I don't believe this is true. I believe they share licensing on some ingredients, but are in fact entirely separate companies.
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    Originally Posted by Dewey99 View Post
    Do it. Just don't start at 2 scoops....
    Think I may dip my toes in it this weekend Don't start at 2 scoops? Hmmmm, does this still apply if I'm totally fine taking the full scoop of Hyde and OG 400mg caffeine version of Friction?
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    Originally Posted by kissdadookie View Post
    Think I may dip my toes in it this weekend Don't start at 2 scoops? Hmmmm, does this still apply if I'm totally fine taking the full scoop of Hyde and OG 400mg caffeine version of Friction?
    Yes. Much like craze, the caffeine content does not even remotely reflect the effects
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    Originally Posted by Mr.Cooper69 View Post
    Yes. Much like craze, the caffeine content does not even remotely reflect the effects
    Gotcha, shall give this a go this weekend I like the addition of nitrates and agmatine in the formula. Aegeline, I don't know, hopefully I'll feel it off of Enhanced as opposed to not feeling anything when using Versa-1?
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    Think I may dip my toes in it this weekend Don't start at 2 scoops? Hmmmm, does this still apply if I'm totally fine taking the full scoop of Hyde and OG 400mg caffeine version of Friction?
    I am super stim-tolerant and I started with two scoops. I didn't die or anything, but I was much better off at 1.5 scoops. Through continued use, I have worked my way up to 2 scoops from time to time. I was just suggesting that 2 scoops isn't a good place to start.
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    Originally Posted by Dewey99 View Post
    I am super stim-tolerant and I started with two scoops. I didn't die or anything, but I was much better off at 1.5 scoops. Through continued use, I have worked my way up to 2 scoops from time to time. I was just suggesting that 2 scoops isn't a good place to start.
    It's all good, think I'mma go with 1 slightly rounded scoop on Saturday for chest day. See how that goes and then if I think it's a good idea, up the dose a bit for Sunday for back day.
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    Originally Posted by kissdadookie View Post
    this thread is basically making me want to try enhanced. Lulz.
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    Kinda funny how it works, there I was jealous that Americans had yohimbe containing Enhanced but it turns out a load of people can't handle yohimbe, therefore UK Enhanced = winning.
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    I like alot of USP products, but why would someone pick this over Totalis or Hyde/Jekyll I don't understand.....it doesn't seem like there is much in there -- and if you are taking 2 scoops you get 20 servings or so.....

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    Originally Posted by Jakeylee View Post
    Kinda funny how it works, there I was jealous that Americans had yohimbe containing Enhanced but it turns out a load of people can't handle yohimbe, therefore UK Enhanced = winning.
    Maybe some US people will buy the international version then
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    Yes. Much like craze, the caffeine content does not even remotely reflect the effects
    Much like Craze? Craze has remained a staple in my stack for quite some time. How does it stack with other products? (Agmatine & CM). I'm definitely taking a look into this. PES, never heard of this company either. Feel me in
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    Originally Posted by Workhard20 View Post
    Much like Craze? Craze has remained a staple in my stack for quite some time. How does it stack with other products? (Agmatine & CM). I'm definitely taking a look into this. PES, never heard of this company either. Feel me in
    PES is legit. Ran a little more than a bottle of Erase Pro (had to suspend the use of the second bottle since I'm currently trying to hasten the recovery of my forearm tendonitis), that is a solid product and makes PES legit in my book :P
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    PES is legit. Ran a little more than a bottle of Erase Pro (had to suspend the use of the second bottle since I'm currently trying to hasten the recovery of my forearm tendonitis), that is a solid product and makes PES legit in my book :P
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    Run Abe your next bulk cycle. Then you will thank me after
    I have always been particularly sensitive to the appetite increase that AnaBeta provides. Before I worked for PES I was one of the beta testers and I almost had to reduce the dose because I couldn't handle the constant hunger.

    I started it today after a four week break. I finished steak and potatoes at a restaurant and 30 minutes later I was so hungry I drove home quickly so I could eat more food.

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