interview with Therese Neumann -stigmatist, pictures.

[comore07]

Therese Neumann(1898?1962)

http://www.unpuntoenelinfinito.com/b...n8/Neumann.jpg
http://www.solt3.org/images/neumannfullbody.JPG
http://www.solt3.org/images/neumanneyes.JPG
http://www.solt3.org/images/neumannhand.JPG

excerpt of interview with her:

Q. Were the wounds superficial or did they completely pierce your hands and feet?

A. It was in 1927 that they went completely through my hands and feet. Then scabs formed also on the palms of my hands and bottoms of my feet.

Q. And you have carried these wounds with you since?

A. That is right.

Q. Tell me. Do you experience normal bowel movements?

[At this point, the interpreter balked. Apparently, however, Fraulein Neumann understood enough English to get the idea. She answered.]

A. You mean do I use the toilet? No, I have not since September 1930.

Q. I don't quite understand. You said you stopped taking nourishment in 1926. Now you say you stopped having normal bowel movements in 1930? How do you explain the period from 1926 to 1930 when you were having bowel movements but were not
eating?

[She smiled and shrugged her shoulders.]

A. God can do anything.

Q. Do you experience normal menstruation?

[Again Fischer hesitated, but stuttered through the translation, obviously quite embarrassed.]

A. None at all since 1930.

Q. Has your weight changed to any degree since 1926?

A. No. It is almost always the same. That is, except during the Friday ecstasies when I bleed one-and-a-half to two liters [nearly two quarts] of blood and lose up to three or four pounds. But the weight quickly returns.




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Therese_Neumann

[Couldbebigga]

Not one stigmatist has passed a scientific test. They're charlatans.

[NicVJ]

Sounds similar to my thread about Padre Pio. There are simply too many of such inexplicable phenomena for anyone to ignore the real possibility of God.

[Couldbebigga]

Originally Posted by NicVJ

Sounds similar to my thread about Padre Pio. There are simply too many of such inexplicable phenomena for anyone to ignore the real possibility of God.

Wow, you're easily fooled.

If there are so many "inexplicable" phenomena then surely some of them would have had to have stumped scientists by now. But they haven't. Every one of these phenomena that have been examined scientifically have been shown to be either deliberate trickery or natural trickery.

[ERCVGII]

Originally Posted by Couldbebigga

Wow, you're easily fooled.

If there are so many "inexplicable" phenomena then surely some of them would have had to have stumped scientists by now. But they haven't. Every one of these phenomena that have been examined scientifically have been shown to be either deliberate trickery or natural trickery.

All of them?? Doubtful. Scientist tend to check out one or two forgeries and they discard all other possible cases. They theorize its all bull.

[NicVJ]

Originally Posted by Couldbebigga

Wow, you're easily fooled.

If there are so many "inexplicable" phenomena then surely some of them would have had to have stumped scientists by now. But they haven't. Every one of these phenomena that have been examined scientifically have been shown to be either deliberate trickery or natural trickery.

Firstly, the person stated in this thread, Theresa, had been examined by doctors, and so has Padre Pio in my other thread. To say that these people don't exist is denial. On your second charge that it's "natural" trickery, I can't fathom what you exactly mean by this. Are you saying there is a person in this world who can naturally see without having any pupils in her eyes? Or are you suggesting that it is natural for someone to have stigmata wounds in their hands that are not caused by man-made tools or substances?

I would think the natural response to such amazing phenomena is that these are not proof of God, but surely being as dimissive as you are is being even more foolish. Sure there could have been fakes and charlatans, as you put it, but for the more well-documented personalities, I suggest you not generalise.

[David77]

I believe that hers is an authentic case. Paramahansa Yogananda, the man who I dedicated a thread to, met her and wrote about it in his Autobiography.

Here are a few excerpts.

The saint told me something of her weekly trances. "As a helpless onlooker, I observe the whole Passion of Christ." Each week, from Thursday midnight until Friday afternoon at one o'clock, her wounds open and bleed; she loses ten pounds of her ordinary 121-pound weight. Suffering intensely in her sympathetic love, Therese yet looks forward joyously to these weekly visions of her Lord.

I realized at once that her strange life is intended by God to reassure all Christians of the historical authenticity of Jesus' life and crucifixion as recorded in the New Testament, and to dramatically display the ever-living bond between the Galilean Master and his devotees.

....................

Therese shook hands gently, many times, and walked with our party to the gate. Mr. Wright turned on the automobile radio; the saint examined it with little enthusiastic chuckles. Such a large crowd of youngsters gathered that Therese retreated into the house. We saw her at a window, where she peered at us, childlike, waving her hand.

....................

Therese had passed my first test at the professor's house by her intuitive knowledge that I wanted to see her for spiritual reasons, and not just to satisfy a passing curiosity.

My second test was connected with the fact that, just before I went upstairs to her room, I put myself into a yogic trance state in order to be one with her in telepathic and televisic rapport. I entered her chamber, filled with visitors; she was lying in a white robe on the bed. With Mr. Wright following closely behind me, I halted just inside the threshold, awestruck at a strange and most frightful spectacle.

Blood flowed thinly and continuously in an inch-wide stream from Therese's lower eyelids. Her gaze was focused upward on the spiritual eye within the central forehead. The cloth wrapped around her head was drenched in blood from the stigmata wounds of the crown of thorns. The white garment was redly splotched over her heart from the wound in her side at the spot where Christ's body, long ages ago, had suffered the final indignity of the soldier's spear-thrust.

Therese's hands were extended in a gesture maternal, pleading; her face wore an expression both tortured and divine. She appeared thinner, changed in many subtle as well as outward ways. Murmuring words in a foreign tongue, she spoke with slightly quivering lips to persons visible before her inner sight.

As I was in attunement with her, I began to see the scenes of her vision. She was watching Jesus as he carried the cross amidst the jeering multitude. Suddenly she lifted her head in consternation: the Lord had fallen under the cruel weight. The vision disappeared. In the exhaustion of fervid pity, Therese sank heavily against her pillow.

[Flat]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inedia


When under close observation these claimants have been shown to be frauds. I'm sure many of them are pious frauds however they are still frauds.


As for this Therese Neumann.

Regarding the inedia which the portly Yogananda claimed for himself, it is interesting to note that he vouched for a similar talent for the famed Catholic stigmatist Therese Neumann. Indeed, he even credited her a comparable supposed basis to his own, in the purported chakric ingestion of subtle energies.

"In support of the yogi’s ostensible first-hand knowledge of Neumann’s genuineness and metaphysical means of living “by God’s light,” we learn that Therese’s local German bishop
instigated a surveillance in 1927 that purportedly produced definitive evidence in favor of her claims, but the observations were only for fifteen days. Therese’s urine was monitored during this time and for the following fortnight. A study of the results ... is as expected for the period of observation (Nickell, 1998)."

However—

"the post-observation data [see Wilson, 1988] were indicative of “a return to normal, suggesting that once Therese was no longer subject to round-the-clock observation, she went back to normal food and drink intake.” Magnifying the suspicion was Therese’s subsequent refusal to undergo further surveillance (Nickell, 1998). "

From
http://www.strippingthegurus.com/stg.../yogananda.asp