plane crash at San Francisco airport

[g152013zicam]

NextGen at its finest.

[nutsy54]

NextGen at its finest.

San Francisco NextGen tower to become operational in 2015... blame it for a crash in 2013.
http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-ne...wer-coming-sfo

Derp?

(PS: Considering we still have no idea what caused the crash, what's your basis for implying that it was an ATC issue, and that the currently implemented NextGen functions should have prevented it?)

[g152013zicam]

lol i was joking, we wont even see any improvements till around 2020. There are actual nextgen elements there but, tts probably a pilot error.

[TarekG]

An Asiana Boeing 777-200, registration HL7742 performing flight OZ-214 from Seoul (South Korea) to San Francisco,CA (USA) with 292 passengers and 16 crew, touched down short of runway 28L impacting the edge separating the runway from the San Francisco Bay while landing on San Francisco's runway 28L at 11:27L (18:27Z), the tail plane, gear and engines separated, the aircraft turned around by around 180 degrees and came to a rest left of the runway facing east. The aircraft burst into flames and burned out, all occupants were able to evacuate the aircraft in time and are alive. There are reports of a number of injuries, mainly burns, the majority of occupants escaped without injuries.

Emergency services reported all occupants have been accounted for and are alive. Emergency services repeated ALL occupants have been accounted for in response to media reports that two people have been killed and said, these reports are untrue. A number of people were taken to hospitals with injuries of varying degrees.

ATC recordings show, the aircraft was on a normal approach and was cleared to land on runway 28L, no emergency services were lined up, all traffic was running normally. During a transmission of tower shouting in the back of the tower is heard, emergency services began to respond, all aircraft on approach were instructed to go around. The airport was closed. United flight 885, waiting for departure at the hold short line threshold 28L, reported people were walking around both runways, there were a number of people near the numbers of runway 28R, obviously survivors.

[KevinXC]

Emergency services reported all occupants have been accounted for and are alive. Emergency services repeated ALL occupants have been accounted for in response to media reports that two people have been killed and said, these reports are untrue.

damn, hope this is true. I was on that same plane two weeks ago.

[TarekG]

damn, hope this is true. I was on that same plane two weeks ago.

Got it from a very reliable source so you can bet on it

[fevr]

Anyone remember that a couple of years ago a British Airways 777 had an engine rollback while on approach resulting in something that seems familiar?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Airways_Flight_38



It appears that Asiana uses a different engine for their 777s, though.

[hewhodar3s]

Anyone remember that a couple of years ago a British Airways 777 had an engine rollback while on approach resulting in something that seems familiar?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Airways_Flight_38

Yes,I mentioned it a page or two back. Same plane, same kind of incident...same reason?

[fevr]

Yes,I mentioned it a page or two back. Same plane, same kind of incident...same reason?

I think the BA problem was isolated to Rolls Royce engines.

[DasWunderBrah]

damn that's scary. Reminds me of the movie Flight.

inb4 CNN speculates Denzel was the pilot.

[1PAC]

I just meant making the aircraft more aerodynamic to reduce drag so it could travel further to reach the runway

Been awhile since I read the books, but flaps increase lift and drag, because you increase the surface area of the wing, and create a bigger airfoil.

[hewhodar3s]

Been awhile since I read the books, but flaps increase lift and drag, because you increase the surface area of the wing, and create a bigger airfoil.

I only mentioned it because in the BA incident, the pilot reduced the flap setting to increase glide distance....


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Airways_Flight_38

Meanwhile, the captain reduced the flap setting from 30 degrees to 25 degrees in order to decrease the drag on the aircraft and stretch the glide.[4]

[myrongunz]

http://weplaylive.tv/live-news-stream/

heres a cnn stream for you poverty brahs

[Seldini]

Misc Pilot brah checking in... getting up to speed on this story now.. goddamn

Edit: Oh lawd, this does not look good for Boeing.

[fevr]

Been awhile since I read the books, but flaps increase lift and drag, because you increase the surface area of the wing, and create a bigger airfoil.

The wing will be more efficient with flaps/slats up. Putting them down could be a last ditch effort to keep the wing flying below a clean wing stall speed, but in a swept wing airplane once they're down and you're slower you are so far behind the power curve that you can't bring them back up.

[myrongunz]

Misc Pilot brah checking in... getting up to speed on this story now.. goddamn

Edit: Oh lawd, this does not look good for Boeing.

srsly always thought the 777 series was the safest out of all of them....why would it not look good for boeing?

[1PAC]

I only mentioned it because in the BA incident, the pilot reduced the flap setting to increase glide distance....


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Airways_Flight_38

Meanwhile, the captain reduced the flap setting from 30 degrees to 25 degrees in order to decrease the drag on the aircraft and stretch the glide.[4]

I have limited knowledge on bigger aircrafts brah, but yes decreasing flaps will decrease drag. Pilots use flaps to keep the plane in air at slower speeds

[Seldini]

srsly always thought the 777 series was the safest out of all of them....why would it not look good for boeing?

It's damn safe, but the margins for error in the modern aircraft production industry are razor thin. Boeing had enough trouble with the 787 battery fire, and now this accident which looks a lot like the British Airways 777 crash from a few years back, and the first major crash in 12 years in the US, not good for Boeing.

[myrongunz]

It's damn safe, but the margins for error in the modern aircraft production industry are razor thin. Boeing had enough trouble with the 787 battery fire, and now this accident which looks a lot like the British Airways 777 crash from a few years back, and the first major crash in 12 years in the US, not good for Boeing.

you think the computers that control the ILS systems fuked up?

[LikeEmThik]

C'mon NTSB, get your sh!t together and get on with the press conference!

[fevr]

you think the computers that control the ILS systems fuked up?

It doesn't look like there was a cloud in the sky. No need for an ILS approach.

[ChorizoFit]

The final interaction between the pilots and the tower, with the pilots calling for an emergency, can be heard here:

not sure if i wanna click that...

[QuarterRepCurls]

I just meant making the aircraft more aerodynamic to reduce drag so it could travel further to reach the runway

flaps/slats increase lift on the airplane thus increase drag

[Seldini]

you think the computers that control the ILS systems fuked up?

Perfect weather, no need for ILS, probably a loss of engine power near the end of the approach, causing the plane to come up short, and it caught the rocks before the start of the runway. Even if the pilot pushed the throttle forward when it happened, the response time of the power increase probably wouldn't have been fast enough to allow the plane to go-around.

[Araj]

inb4 kpop idols with burned faces

[g152013zicam]

microburst?

[Seldini]

microburst?

Nah, perfect weather it seems

[fevr]

Perfect weather, no need for ILS, probably a loss of engine power near the end of the approach, causing the plane to come up short, and it caught the rocks before the start of the runway. Even if the pilot pushed the throttle forward when it happened, the response time of the power increase probably wouldn't have been fast enough to allow the plane to go-around.

Bird ingestion? These high bypass engines are pretty resilient to FOD. Terrorism? Someone was in a boat with a Stinger or equivalent? Unlikely. Another sort of system failure? Unlikely, although it did happen with the BA jet a couple years ago.

Pilot error accounts for the majority of accidents. I'd put my money on something like flying the approach or waving off thinking their auto throttle is armed when it isn't. I don't know Boeing / Asiana SOP/systems, though.

Just a wild ass guess. Hopefully it was a freak accident and no errors were made.

[g152013zicam]

It just doesn't make sense, the approach lights would of put the bird way up farther, even with the ILS, so why did it come up short, still no comms, no call outs.... even if engine loss they would of had time to react if they were on glide path. I have a feeling they did a visual and didnt follow the path, came up short because of fatigue.

[Araj]

Several people reported as having been killed now.....