Doctor said my liver is getting damaged

[kissdadookie]

how much water are you drinking per day? sounds like you are not getting rid off toxic substances..mass gainers are known for that, you should stop all supplements and detox for atleast week or so and see how your liver enzymes are.

What? Mass gainers are known for toxic substances? When the hell did this start becoming a thing? You do realize that mass gainers are basically just protein powder with a lot of powdered sugar added to it right? Or maybe you're implying protein supplements are known for toxic substances? You do realize that tuna and spinach contains far higher concentrations of carcinogens and heavy metals per serving than protein supplements right?

[NeoSeminole]

OP, what was your "liver score" a year ago? Did it just suddenly go up or was there a gradual trend? Also, without knowing the name of the score that was elevated (e.g. AST, ALT, Alk Phos, GGT), it's difficult for us to answer your question

[rdhiman]

What? Mass gainers are known for toxic substances? When the hell did this start becoming a thing? You do realize that mass gainers are basically just protein powder with a lot of powdered sugar added to it right? Or maybe you're implying protein supplements are known for toxic substances? You do realize that tuna and spinach contains far higher concentrations of carcinogens and heavy metals per serving than protein supplements right?

most of the mass gainers don't just contain protein,sugar, carbs, bcaa's BUT also creatine which is big culprit if not taken properly. Yes, i do realize tuna and spinach contains higher concentration of carcinogens, but they also don't have creatine in them. Anyone taking too much mass gainers or creatine by itself if don't drink enough water can get that creatine especially creatine monohydrate because it does not dissolve quickly, can get accumulated in there liver and kidney, liver is by far mostly affected.

[yettiatcpg]

as a rule of thumb most doctors can take their numbers and shov'em. most don't know what they mean unless told by a specialist. I swear to god I asked my doc one time what the number meant for my liver and he said it didn't matter so long as I'm healthy!! my last test was a 60. have no idea good or bad the doc said it was fine???

I dug this up to help the less informed

http://www.liverdoctor.com/liver/liver-function-tests/

Doctors generally look first at the level of the liver enzyme GGT. Generally speaking in “normal liver function tests” the level of GGT is not greater than 45.
If your GGT is greater than 100, the doctor will look at the levels of the other liver enzymes to try and work out possible causes of liver damage. Let’s take a look at some possible combinations of abnormally high liver enzymes and what that could mean.

[TiberiusClaudis]

Yetti...excellent info. Very detailed +1

Thanks Mate for posting this.

[kissdadookie]

most of the mass gainers don't just contain protein,sugar, carbs, bcaa's BUT also creatine which is big culprit if not taken properly. Yes, i do realize tuna and spinach contains higher concentration of carcinogens, but they also don't have creatine in them. Anyone taking too much mass gainers or creatine by itself if don't drink enough water can get that creatine especially creatine monohydrate because it does not dissolve quickly, can get accumulated in there liver and kidney, liver is by far mostly affected.

What? Creatine is not hard on KIDNEYS just FYI even with lack of hydration. OP is having liver issues BTW. Drinking more water when taking creatine is also not for kidney damage prevention, creatine makes your muscles absorb more water at the intra cellular level, so drinking more water allows you to monetize on this effect.

When creatine is not absorbed, it comes out in bodily excretion. It's not going to harm kidneys and liver unless you have an underlying kidney or liver condition, but that would lead to issues in whatever you put into your body let that be whole foods or supplements.

Seriously, stop posting things which you have clearly not bothered to actually research.

[rdhiman]

What? Creatine is not hard on KIDNEYS just FYI even with lack of hydration. OP is having liver issues BTW. Drinking more water when taking creatine is also not for kidney damage prevention, creatine makes your muscles absorb more water at the intra cellular level, so drinking more water allows you to monetize on this effect.

When creatine is not absorbed, it comes out in bodily excretion. It's not going to harm kidneys and liver unless you have an underlying kidney or liver condition, but that would lead to issues in whatever you put into your body let that be whole foods or supplements.

Seriously, stop posting things which you have clearly not bothered to actually research.

So you saying creatine has no effect on liver or kidneys correct ? Do you even know where creatine is made in our body? Drinking water is prevention like you said and not treatment, and if someone is taking creatine and is not drinking enough fluids can accumulate toxins in liver mostly and then kidneys because all remaining toxins which are not filtered in liver are excreted in kidneys. Creatine is generally safe but if taken incorrectly can cause liver and kidney problems. By the way do you have any evidence based studies that can prove what you said is correct and what I said is wrong I would like to see that since seems like you have done extensive research on what you posted

[rdhiman]

What? Creatine is not hard on KIDNEYS just FYI even with lack of hydration. OP is having liver issues BTW. Drinking more water when taking creatine is also not for kidney damage prevention, creatine makes your muscles absorb more water at the intra cellular level, so drinking more water allows you to monetize on this effect.

When creatine is not absorbed, it comes out in bodily excretion. It's not going to harm kidneys and liver unless you have an underlying kidney or liver condition, but that would lead to issues in whatever you put into your body let that be whole foods or supplements.

Seriously, stop posting things which you have clearly not bothered to actually research.

Oh by the way if someone healthy who don't drink enough fluids while taking creatine can cause kidney damage and liver problems, and yes dehydration does the same thing

[rtm0004]

I started off really underweight and ive gained 18 pounds in 2 months by drinking mass gainer and eating more. My liver had a score of 77 and he said most people my age has a score of 7. Could it because im gaining weight too fast, drinking too much weight gainer instead of actual food or am I eating too much protein for my body weight?

without knowing what this 77 is nobody can tell you what the problem could be - you can request copies of all labs, look at AST/ALT and total bilirubin/alkaline phosphatase

some liver tests are more indicative of long term damage

some are more acute phase reactants

saying your liver has a score of 77 is like saying your kidneys have a score of 15 or your heart has a score of 75 - they are arbitrary numbers that could mean anything/nothing

[Valhallabound86]

how much water are you drinking per day? sounds like you are not getting rid off toxic substances..mass gainers are known for that, you should stop all supplements and detox for atleast week or so and see how your liver enzymes are.

So you saying creatine has no effect on liver or kidneys correct ? Do you even know where creatine is made in our body? Drinking water is prevention like you said and not treatment, and if someone is taking creatine and is not drinking enough fluids can accumulate toxins in liver mostly and then kidneys because all remaining toxins which are not filtered in liver are excreted in kidneys. Creatine is generally safe but if taken incorrectly can cause liver and kidney problems. By the way do you have any evidence based studies that can prove what you said is correct and what I said is wrong I would like to see that since seems like you have done extensive research on what you posted

Oh by the way if someone healthy who don't drink enough fluids while taking creatine can cause kidney damage and liver problems, and yes dehydration does the same thing

[Mr.Cooper69]

as a rule of thumb most doctors can take their numbers and shov'em. most don't know what they mean unless told by a specialist. I swear to god I asked my doc one time what the number meant for my liver and he said it didn't matter so long as I'm healthy!! my last test was a 60. have no idea good or bad the doc said it was fine???

I dug this up to help the less informed

http://www.liverdoctor.com/liver/liver-function-tests/

Almost all doctors are capable of interpreting bloodwork. I'm sorry for your bad personal experience and there are certainly some doctors who are poorly qualified, but the reality is that it's an integral part of their education.

[Mr.Cooper69]

So you saying creatine has no effect on liver or kidneys correct ? Do you even know where creatine is made in our body? Drinking water is prevention like you said and not treatment, and if someone is taking creatine and is not drinking enough fluids can accumulate toxins in liver mostly and then kidneys because all remaining toxins which are not filtered in liver are excreted in kidneys. Creatine is generally safe but if taken incorrectly can cause liver and kidney problems. By the way do you have any evidence based studies that can prove what you said is correct and what I said is wrong I would like to see that since seems like you have done extensive research on what you posted

If creatine isn't absorbed (though in responders, it should be), how would it end up in your liver or kidney? Is there a wormhole between the GI Tract and internal organs?

[kissdadookie]

So you saying creatine has no effect on liver or kidneys correct ? Do you even know where creatine is made in our body? Drinking water is prevention like you said and not treatment, and if someone is taking creatine and is not drinking enough fluids can accumulate toxins in liver mostly and then kidneys because all remaining toxins which are not filtered in liver are excreted in kidneys. Creatine is generally safe but if taken incorrectly can cause liver and kidney problems. By the way do you have any evidence based studies that can prove what you said is correct and what I said is wrong I would like to see that since seems like you have done extensive research on what you posted

Did you even bother to look at the creatine studies? There was no change in diet in those studies apart from the addition of creatine supplementation. When checking the creatinine levels in the subjects urine, they excreted out excess as should be expected thus signifying healthy kidney functions. You obviously just completely ignored the studies. When creatine is taken incorrectly as in heavy doses or when your body can't break it down, guess what? You end up with GI distress and it comes out your butthole. Last time I check, massive poopage is not a sign of kidney failure or liver failure. You want evidence? I've already mentioned the creatine studies, you were just too ignorant to bother looking at the studies and instead, came on here posting absolute nonsense that you've read from goodness knows where.

Oh by the way if someone healthy who don't drink enough fluids while taking creatine can cause kidney damage and liver problems, and yes dehydration does the same thing

What the hell does general dehydration have to do with creatine? Dehydration can cause kidney failure because it taxes the kidneys since your body tends to hold on to whatever liquid you have and use it to reprocess in the kidneys to filter out waste. Creatine doesn't dehydrate you. Creatine and dehydration doesn't really have anything to do with each other. Serious, how ignorant are you? Why the hell are you on here posting nonsense without even bothering to go look at the creatine studies?

Serious dude, did you just go way overboard on the drinking this 4th of July? Maybe you're just dehydrated after consuming a bucket of creatine and now just delusional maybe?

[rdhiman]

Did you even bother to look at the creatine studies? There was no change in diet in those studies apart from the addition of creatine supplementation. When checking the creatinine levels in the subjects urine, they excreted out excess as should be expected thus signifying healthy kidney functions. You obviously just completely ignored the studies. When creatine is taken incorrectly as in heavy doses or when your body can't break it down, guess what? You end up with GI distress and it comes out your butthole. Last time I check, massive poopage is not a sign of kidney failure or liver failure. You want evidence? I've already mentioned the creatine studies, you were just too ignorant to bother looking at the studies and instead, came on here posting absolute nonsense that you've read from goodness knows where.

First of all studies that you are talking about we're done in Athletes under supervision.My question to you is if some who takes creatine and kidney or liver issues don't drink enough fluid will cause damage to kidney and liver or not ? Secondly liver is part of your GI last time I checked unless it changed. Creatine is excreted through kidney 95%, 5% or less is excreted via stool. Creatine is made in your liver, pancreas and kidneys which is why these organs affected and can lead to issues.


What the hell does general dehydration have to do with creatine? Dehydration can cause kidney failure because it taxes the kidneys since your body tends to hold on to whatever liquid you have and use it to reprocess in the kidneys to filter out waste. Creatine doesn't dehydrate you. Creatine and dehydration doesn't really have anything to do with each other. Serious, how ignorant are you? Why the hell are you on here posting nonsense without even bothering to go look at the creatine studies?

Serious dude, did you just go way overboard on the drinking this 4th of July?

" creatine and dehydration doesn't really have anything to do with each other " REALLY!! Dude common you mentioned above how creatine works... Maybe you should really study what creatine is, its physiology and adverse effects instead of just trolling on different websites which makes no sense. Are you in high school ? I will give up on this topic if you prove me wrong of what I said!!

[rdhiman]

Did you even bother to look at the creatine studies? There was no change in diet in those studies apart from the addition of creatine supplementation. When checking the creatinine levels in the subjects urine, they excreted out excess as should be expected thus signifying healthy kidney functions. You obviously just completely ignored the studies. When creatine is taken incorrectly as in heavy doses or when your body can't break it down, guess what? You end up with GI distress and it comes out your butthole. Last time I check, massive poopage is not a sign of kidney failure or liver failure. You want evidence? I've already mentioned the creatine studies, you were just too ignorant to bother looking at the studies and instead, came on here posting absolute nonsense that you've read from goodness knows where.



What the hell does general dehydration have to do with creatine? Dehydration can cause kidney failure because it taxes the kidneys since your body tends to hold on to whatever liquid you have and use it to reprocess in the kidneys to filter out waste. Creatine doesn't dehydrate you. Creatine and dehydration doesn't really have anything to do with each other. Serious, how ignorant are you? Why the hell are you on here posting nonsense without even bothering to go look at the creatine studies?

Serious dude, did you just go way overboard on the drinking this 4th of July? Maybe you're just dehydrated after consuming a bucket of creatine and now just delusional maybe?

First of all studies that you are talking about we're done in Athletes under supervision.My question to you is if some who takes creatine and their kidney or liver is normal functioning and they don't drink enough fluid will cause damage to kidney and liver or not ? Secondly liver is part of your GI last time I checked unless it changed. Creatine is excreted through kidney 95%, 5% or less is excreted via stool. Creatine is made in your liver, pancreas and kidneys which is why these organs affected and can lead to issues.

[JayLS1-327]

Need to put this picture back up.

[kissdadookie]

" creatine and dehydration doesn't really have anything to do with each other " REALLY!! Dude common you mentioned above how creatine works... Maybe you should really study what creatine is, its physiology and adverse effects instead of just trolling on different websites which makes no sense. Are you in high school ? I will give up on this topic if you prove me wrong of what I said!!

Wow, are you just simply illiterate? I mentioned the increased intra-cellular water absorption as a way to note an additional benefit on top of the increased ATP. Increased intra-cellular water absorption ='s slight increase in lean muscle size as well as better nutrient absorption. So to basically point out how this is an ADDITIONAL BENEFIT, to monetize on this ADDITIONAL BENEFIT, drinking extra fluids is a good idea. I did not in any way shape or form point it out to imply that creatine supplementation leads to it being REQUIRED to have extra fluid intake. Again, your lack of knowledge and now you clear demonstration of illiteracy has yet to fail to impress.

First of all studies that you are talking about we're done in Athletes under supervision.My question to you is if some who takes creatine and their kidney or liver is normal functioning and they don't drink enough fluid will cause damage to kidney and liver or not ? Secondly liver is part of your GI last time I checked unless it changed. Creatine is excreted through kidney 95%, 5% or less is excreted via stool. Creatine is made in your liver, pancreas and kidneys which is why these organs affected and can lead to issues.

Done on athletes under supervision, in OTHER WORDS, HEALTHY INDIVIDUALS IN A CONTROLLED STUDY. OF COURSE the study needed to be supervised, how else do you control the variables? Also, how does using athletes magically make athletes a special class of people that are different than regular humans? Athletes are mostly HEALTHY INDIVIDUALS thus if creatine had no negative impact on athletes, what makes you think that it would be any different on any other healthy human? As for you explanation of creatine excretion, WOW, boy oh boy are you ignorant and totally illiterate. Let's break it down:

Creatinine is the by product of the break down of creatine in muscle (creatine gives up a phospate to ATP when ATP is used as cellular energy and loses a phosphate). For creatine to get into your muscle, your body needs to absorb it, THEN it goes to the muscles via bloodstream, the waste product creatinine is then carried through blood to your kidney to flush out. The CREATINE you poop out is NOT absorbed at all, that's why you are POOPING IT OUT. Seriously, how completely oblivious are you? I'm not a science expert but even a layperson as myself could understand the write ups on this stuff which you either are too illiterate to comprehend or just plain and simply too lazy to look up and go over.

As for your idiotic explanation of how your liver and kidneys get damaged because creatine in the body is made in your body, WOW. Do you even science? Do you know what happens when you supplement with creatine? Your body stops producing the stuff, that's it. It doesn't push your body harder to make more of it due to you supplementing with it. Creatine is NOT going to affect your liver. Creatine is NOT going to affect your kidney if you do not have preexisting kidney issues. Why am I even bothering to explain this to you when you clearly don't ever bother to actually go over the myriad of peer reviewed data which is already out there? I mean, right now you're basically making up complete nonsense and then coming on here spewing it. You're literally imagining nonsense from goodness knows where. The nonsense is so asinine that I'm shocked that you were able to fabricate such nonsense. No wonder you're all red.

[Phaze2]

you're supposed to eat your food, not drink it. Same goes for standard protein drinks.

[kissdadookie]

you're supposed to eat your food, not drink it. Same goes for standard protein drinks.

Ideally yes, but let's face it, protein shakes are not going to trash the liver of healthy individuals with no underlying liver issues,

[Phaze2]

Ideally yes, but let's face it, protein shakes are not going to trash the liver of healthy individuals with no underlying liver issues,

but may trash the kidneys

[Valhallabound86]

but may trash the kidneys

Lol.

It always astonishes me how little credit the average person gives the human body.

[Free Weight Friedel]

So you saying creatine has no effect on liver or kidneys correct ? Do you even know where creatine is made in our body? Drinking water is prevention like you said and not treatment, and if someone is taking creatine and is not drinking enough fluids can accumulate toxins in liver mostly and then kidneys because all remaining toxins which are not filtered in liver are excreted in kidneys. Creatine is generally safe but if taken incorrectly can cause liver and kidney problems. By the way do you have any evidence based studies that can prove what you said is correct and what I said is wrong I would like to see that since seems like you have done extensive research on what you posted

Oh by the way if someone healthy who don't drink enough fluids while taking creatine can cause kidney damage and liver problems, and yes dehydration does the same thing

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/layne22.htm

Read and you are proved wrong! SO STFU!

[creepa200]

Took 3 blood tests in a month all with elevated liver. Stopped creatine cause the program I was on called for a break. Took a new test after a 2 month creatine break and all back to normal.

Started back on creatine this month. Going to get retested in a few weeks.

If you want try stopping it and see if it comes back normal. Mine was only minimally high but still had me concerned. I literally forced my doc into a test every week for everything. Checked for every hepatitis cause that can cause high liver function.

Good luck!

[JayLS1-327]

but may trash the kidneys

No, not really.

[blkbelt42]

I started off really underweight and ive gained 18 pounds in 2 months by drinking mass gainer and eating more. My liver had a score of 77 and he said most people my age has a score of 7.

Could it because im gaining weight too fast, drinking too much weight gainer instead of actual food or am I eating too much protein for my body weight?

Why don't you ask the Dr. who diagnosed you as opposed to an
online forum?

[kissdadookie]

but may trash the kidneys

No.

[agc1]

I started off really underweight and ive gained 18 pounds in 2 months by drinking mass gainer and eating more. My liver had a score of 77 and he said most people my age has a score of 7. Could it because im gaining weight too fast, drinking too much weight gainer instead of actual food or am I eating too much protein for my body weight?

Bro, I think you're doctor would better suited to answer this question. Just let him know err thing you takin nomsayin?

[yettiatcpg]

Almost all doctors are capable of interpreting bloodwork. I'm sorry for your bad personal experience and there are certainly some doctors who are poorly qualified, but the reality is that it's an integral part of their education.

up here where I am they are butchers and pill pushers. I have zero faith in them or the system.

[Cheftepesh]

I would lay off everything for a month or so and then get retested. If your score is still bad have more tests run as it is not the supps.