Marc Lobliner calls out "..."

[keramon02]

Take a look at this video Marc Lobliner made.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtiR3...zfB1Vr3hk2Nj9Q

Cliffs:

-guy says he was eating 20 g of fat per day while prepping.
-was being coached by a well established contest prep coaching group
-had serious hormonal issues after dieting this way.

As well, well...read the comments. I don't like to call anyone out if there is no evidence for it, but, what I'm really wondering is what other "groups" of contest prep coaches other than 3DMJ are there out there, because I have been considering them for a while, and I agree with most of what they say, but after reading this...I'm not sure.

TO be honest, I'd be interested in hearing what they have to say...

[naturalguy]

Didn't watch but you don't need prep coaches or "gurus" (hate that term)

[moneyrich]

Take a look at this video Marc Lobliner made.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtiR3...zfB1Vr3hk2Nj9Q

Cliffs:

-guy says he was eating 20 g of fat per day while prepping.
-was being coached by a well established contest prep coaching group
-had serious hormonal issues after dieting this way.

As well, well...read the comments. I don't like to call anyone out if there is no evidence for it, but, what I'm really wondering is what other "groups" of contest prep coaches other than 3DMJ are there out there, because I have been considering them for a while, and I agree with most of what they say, but after reading this...I'm not sure.

TO be honest, I'd be interested in hearing what they have to say...

There are MANY other coaching groups out there outer than 3DMJ. 3DMJ is more known on youtube and here because some of them post here, but they are by far not the biggest or most well known coaching group. Lol @you thinking they would actually put you on 20g of fat a day. They are a very solid group though.

[Alexandre76]

I always thought Lobiner was kind of a girlie man, estrogen level must be high cuz of the juice

[Hamzzza]

every trainer/YT weightlifter calls out others, to make it look like they are more knowledgeable and better than others...



let the results speak for your techniques, and just shut the **** up with the drama in the community

[WonderPug]

I'm really wondering is what other "groups" of contest prep coaches other than 3DMJ are there out there...

Bagpuss & Gelato, LLC.

[backisassuk]

I don't care who he is, who he is associated with or what he is to this site or whatever he sounds like an arsehole. Why does he have to speak like that, packing heat etc........ what a tool

[ErickStevens]

Didn't watch but you don't need prep coaches or "gurus" (hate that term)

Did you prep yourself for your first show?

[DaBubzy]

if youve ever done any research about 3dmj youd know this isnt true. imo they're one of the 'good ones' one youtube

[naturalguy]

Did you prep yourself for your first show?

Yes I did several shows back in the day and I did my own diet/training I had some help from some experienced guys but I did it on my own. I am showing my age but when I last competed "gurus" were not popular like they are now.

[The Big Sleep]

Didn't watch but you don't need prep coaches or "gurus" (hate that term)

Keyword here is "need". They're more like a commodity

[ErickStevens]

Yes I did several shows back in the day and I did my own diet/training I had some help from some experienced guys but I did it on my own. I am showing my age but when I last competed "gurus" were not popular like they are now.

So how is that any different than having a prep coach? Guidance is guidance.

[necon76]

Didn't watch but you don't need prep coaches or "gurus" (hate that term)

Having an experienced coach overseeing things can only be of benefit. If someone is trying to achieve their best possible condition it only make sense to use all the tools available to them.

It's pretty hard to look at yourself & be truly objective.

[naturalguy]

So how is that any different than having a prep coach? Guidance is guidance.

It's not the same, doing it on your own you learn so much more about yourself and how your body works than following a prep coach.

[alan aragon]

It's not the same, doing it on your own you learn so much more about yourself and how your body works than following a prep coach.

Gotta disagree with you on this, bro. You might as well say that ANY type of coach in ANY sport is not needed.

[ErickStevens]

It's not the same, doing it on your own you learn so much more about yourself and how your body works than following a prep coach.

Or you could spend your entire prep second guessing yourself, show up under conditioned, screw up your peaking, and then fulk post-contest because you have no idea how to reverse diet. You learn a ton about how your body works with a coach too along with the added bonus of not wasting 20+ weeks. I'm not saying you'll need a prep coach for every contest but for your first time I think it's an invaluable investment. BTW - Do you have any pics of you in contest shape?

[psychodiver9]

How can you possibly suggest that beginning any activity alone is preferable to doing so with the knowledge and guidance of someone who has done it before? Can you name any other activity that would be true for? Baseball, golf, chess, cooking? You're always going to he better having access to someone more knowledgeable than you. Inb4butypuvenevercompeted

[naturalguy]

Gotta disagree with you on this, bro. You might as well say that ANY type of coach in ANY sport is not needed.

I am not totally against having a prep coach. I think they can be valuable for certain people however particularly for your first contest you should do it on your own and learn how your body works and how you react. I think this step is very important and valuable this way if you do decide to hire a coach then you can tell them what has worked and what hasn't worked for you instead of the coach having to guess or try different strategies until they work. The other advantage is that you alone are responsible for your results, if you don't look good then you can't blame anyone else. I've heard many a bodybuilder put the blame on their coach rather than taking personal responsibility.

Or you could spend your entire prep second guessing yourself, show up under conditioned, screw up your peaking, and then fulk post-contest because you have no idea how to reverse diet. You learn a ton about how your body works with a coach too along with the added bonus of not wasting 20+ weeks. I'm not saying you'll need a prep coach for every contest but for your first time I think it's an invaluable investment. BTW - Do you have any pics of you in contest shape?

Now you are making me date myself again lol, the last time I compete I think was '93 and we didn't have digital cameras heck creatine wasn't available when I first competed. Here is my bodybuilding claim to fame:



Now I do powerlifting and you know what I have help and guidance with that however as I would with bodybuilding, I learn from people but I adapt it to me, I don't just blindly follow what someone tells me.

Again I am not totally against having a prep coach, unfortunately there are a lot of bad coaches out there today acting as "gurus" and one should be careful and do their homework before hiring someone.

[ErickStevens]

Again I am not totally against having a prep coach, unfortunately there are a lot of bad coaches out there today acting as "gurus" and one should be careful and do their homework before hiring someone.

Totally agree with you. Nowadays it seems these people do one contest season and decide they're qualified to coach others.

[PR1MO]

Calling out bad coaches is the new IIFYM

[Lvisaa2]

Honestly, I doubt I would hire a coach for my first prep. Something about doing the experience by yourself is appealing to me. My goal is to know my body enough from dieting down a couple times that I can know decently well what I'm doing and then just try to do a little research and get some pointers from experienced people. The hardest part, IMO, would be nailing your peak. Just getting lean is more about willpower with a few tricks, but peaking seems highly variable.

[PR1MO]

Honestly, I doubt I would hire a coach for my first prep. Something about doing the experience for it by yourself is appealing to me. My goal is more to know my body enough from dieting down a couple tines that I can know decently well what I'm doing and then just try to do a little research and get some pointers from experienced people. The hardest part, IMO, would be nailing your peak. Just getting lean is more about willpower with a few tricks, but peaking seems highly variable.

I agree with the action figure

[calmlikewind]

coaches are a bonus just like supplements are.

[ironwill2008]

Honestly, I doubt I would hire a coach for my first prep. Something about doing the experience by yourself is appealing to me. My goal is to know my body enough from dieting down a couple times that I can know decently well what I'm doing and then just try to do a little research and get some pointers from experienced people. The hardest part, IMO, would be nailing your peak. Just getting lean is more about willpower with a few tricks, but peaking seems highly variable.

Probably not a bad idea to go it alone your first time through. If nothing else, it'll be a great learning experience.


IMO, the toughest part of doing this is in avoiding second-guessing yourself at every turn, something you don't have to deal with when using a coach; you leave all that up to him/her.

[lee__d]

Probably not a bad idea to go it alone your first time through. If nothing else, it'll be a great learning experience.


IMO, the toughest part of doing this is in avoiding second-guessing yourself at every turn, something you don't have to deal with when using a coach; you leave all that up to him/her.

I also would say that for some (most?) people, compliance becomes slightly easier when you're handed macros, etc. by someone who: 1 you see as an authority, and 2. pay

[Lvisaa2]

There is a show close by in a month. I have played with doing it, but don't think I want to spend my last month before I move doing prep. Plus it's be close as to whether I could really get in the condition I needed. Would have to push pretty hard. I'll probably just enjoy myself and continue to recomp down

[ironwill2008]

I also would say that for some (most?) people, compliance becomes slightly easier when you're handed macros, etc. by someone who: 1 you see as an authority, and 2. pay

Yep. Once you've found a coach in whose expertise you have faith, you just 'plug and play,' no worries.

[handcannon77]

Didn't watch but you don't need prep coaches or "gurus" (hate that term)

Everyone "needs" one for the most part. I prepped myself for the first 10 weeks of prep before JOH picked me up. Could I prep myself? Hell yeah. But the mental aspect of prepping for long periods of time and getting really really lean can mess with your head, nearly everyone who is even a prep coach themselves or natural pros who could very well prep themselves go with a coach because its a support system.

[naturalguy]

Everyone "needs" one for the most part. I prepped myself for the first 10 weeks of prep before JOH picked me up. Could I prep myself? Hell yeah. But the mental aspect of prepping for long periods of time and getting really really lean can mess with your head, nearly everyone who is even a prep coach themselves or natural pros who could very well prep themselves go with a coach because its a support system.

Many bodybuilders have worked without coaches so I wouldn't agree with your statement.

Again, I am not against using them and I think it's a good move for most people who want to take it to the next level but they are not a necessity.