still fat doing IIFYM? a calorie is not a calorie. my proof inside. try it.

[Rustlemyleaves]

[Litres]

For the past 6 months:
Ate whatever I wanted, keeping cals at 2.5k getting at least 40g fiber and 180g protein. Felt great, gained a **** ton of strength, maintained ~10% bf while doing ZERO CARDIO.

All of last year:
Ate 2.5k of "clean" foods. Felt great, gained a **** ton of strength, maintained ~10% bf while doing ZERO CARDIO.

My conclusion:
Our bodies are very simple machines. We are made to digest whatever the **** we put in our bodies. Eating "clean" vs not "clean" doesn't matter.

My disclaimer:
Can you loose fat, maintain leaness eating clean? Yes. Is IYFYM superior to eating "clean" FUUUUUUARK no. They're equal. One of them is just being less anal than the other.

thoughts?

[Huberus]

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This bloke believes humans aren't able to efficiently process grains. In fact, he thinks they're disastrous to the human digestive system. He, along with others (including many biologists), believe our genome hasn't changed at all in the last 10k years (since the agricultural revolution).

Without going on further, here's some cliffs:

- Agriculture destroyed the human body
- Our bodies are meant to consume fat as the main source of energy, with protein very close behind
- Carbohydrates, in the quantity most people eat these days, ruin our natural hormonal excretion and insulin sensitivity

Since the OP ate things "close to the earth" I'm guessing he cut out grains. With the only source of carbs being fruit and/or juice.

Is that the chit Melisandre has been feeding you?




I agree.

For the past 6 months:
Ate whatever I wanted, keeping cals at 2.5k getting at least 40g fiber and 180g protein. Felt great, gained a **** ton of strength, maintained ~10% bf while doing ZERO CARDIO.

All of last year:
Ate 2.5k of "clean" foods. Felt great, gained a **** ton of strength, maintained ~10% bf while doing ZERO CARDIO.

My conclusion:
Our bodies are very simple machines. We are made to digest whatever the **** we put in our bodies. Eating "clean" vs not "clean" doesn't matter.

My disclaimer:
Can you loose fat, maintain leaness eating clean? Yes. Is IYFYM superior to eating "clean" FUUUUUUARK no. They're equal. One of them is just being less anal than the other.

thoughts?

Did you do TRUE IIFYM?

The whole argument between both sides comes from the retards saying they can fill out their macros with McDonalds and Pizza and still have the same body comp after 3 months as someone who ate good nutritious clean foods.

Most people who follow IIFYM and actually get results are the types who fill out their macros with nutritious clean foods then fill out whatevers left with foods they enjoy, in moderation. Which isn't really the IIFYM that everyone without avi's preaches, its just sensible common sense.

[Tom117]

Guna watch this vid looks interesting.

Like his comment:


biolayne 1 week ago

LOL, you realize inclusive dieting actually shows better micronutrient & vitamin/mineral diversity than 'clean' eating when a research study at Ohio State was done right?

[MisquePhaggot]

I don't even care for iifym but nothing is worth giving up breads and dairy srs **** that

[TheJediBrah]

For the past 6 months:
Ate whatever I wanted, keeping cals at 2.5k getting at least 40g fiber and 180g protein. Felt great, gained a **** ton of strength, maintained ~10% bf while doing ZERO CARDIO.

All of last year:
Ate 2.5k of "clean" foods. Felt great, gained a **** ton of strength, maintained ~10% bf while doing ZERO CARDIO.

My conclusion:
Our bodies are very simple machines. We are made to digest whatever the **** we put in our bodies. Eating "clean" vs not "clean" doesn't matter.

My disclaimer:
Can you loose fat, maintain leaness eating clean? Yes. Is IYFYM superior to eating "clean" FUUUUUUARK no. They're equal. One of them is just being less anal than the other.

thoughts?

Fantastic summary. Right to the point.

Main reason for argument, in my opinion, is a lot of "clean eaters", for some reason, lack the intelligence to understand such a simple concept. Hence: "IIFYM doesn't work, you have to eat clean bro, don't even have 1mg of chocolate if you want dat 6 pack brah"

[Huberus]

Fantastic summary. Right to the point.

Main reason for argument, in my opinion, is a lot of "clean eaters", for some reason, lack the intelligence to understand such a simple concept. Hence: "IIFYM doesn't work, you have to eat clean bro, don't even have 1mg of chocolate if you want dat 6 pack brah"

Thats not the "clean eaters" argument brah. Everyone is arguing from the same fukking perspective. Everyone here knows that most of your main meals should be nutritious clean foods with the occasional meal out with friends or for occasions etc.

What they are arguing against is that you can't make up your diet entirely from the McDonalds menu and have a good body comp. I can get all of my Protein fats and carbs from a triple quarter pounder and chocolate shakes, it'll produce a chitty physique, but nobody with any sense is arguing that its a good way to go about things. Both sides agree you should eat well most of the time and indulge in moderation.

[mehcba]

Bodybuilding and eating "clean" foods dont really have to go hand in hand. Theres no doubt eating unprocessed foods is better for you in the long run healthwise, but in terms of looking shredded *only*, theres no need to only eat whole foods. Great self study though.

[noidontlift]

I wish the Misc had more of these debate-type threads where there's actually a decent discussion, I'm sick of the "I'm a FA ******* help me speak to a human being IRL" threads all the time.

[ace_gauntlit]

OP was probably just cycling a bit more test than usual and therefore he felt better

[TheJediBrah]

Thats not the "clean eaters" argument brah. Everyone is arguing from the same fukking perspective. Everyone here knows that most of your main meals should be nutritious clean foods with the occasional meal out with friends or for occasions etc.

What they are arguing against is that you can't make up your diet entirely from the McDonalds menu and have a good body comp. I can get all of my Protein fats and carbs from a triple quarter pounder and chocolate shakes, it'll produce a chitty physique, but nobody with any sense is arguing that its a good way to go about things. Both sides agree you should eat well most of the time and indulge in moderation.

They should agree. Yet I see everyday on the misc people who think "IIFYM" doesn't work and that 1 tiny portion of "bad" food will ruin their physique.

[literalparadox]

jedi stop quoting people just to give your stamp of approval. nobody cares brah

[TheJediBrah]

jedi stop quoting people just to give your stamp of approval. nobody cares brah

I'm responding back to people who quoted me.

And one guy who ended his post with "thoughts?"

problem?

[rjones416]

whats funny is that i bet these clean eating *******s all drink whey thats been processed to **** and eat a bunch of meat thats been pumped full of hormones and who knows what else. oh but dont worry its clean though.

[Nvrlift]

hey guize we arent suppose to eat flour, sugar, cupcakes, pizza, etc , but its perfectly fine to stick a needle in your ass containing substances such as testosterone, deca, tren, etc.

[Duolicus]

inb4 alan

[ace_gauntlit]

whats funny is that i bet these clean eating *******s all drink whey thats been processed to **** and eat a bunch of meat thats been pumped full of hormones and who knows what else. oh but dont worry its clean though.

lmao this. lost it when people wrote "i eatz grass fed *insertanimalhere" and wild caught fish brah and it feels so amazing"

[Nvrlift]

i lol @ anyone that followed that IIFYM BS

the only thigns that enter my body are the things taht come up from the ground.

simple as that.

i heard cyanide comes up from the ground, you should eat a bunch of that and see what happens.

[biscuitsbrah]

Lol at people who hate on sweet potatoes, yams, oats, grass fed steak, fish, eggs, chicken breast, plantains, bananas, apples, broccoli, kale, spinach, and carrots. Then have the audacity to call us anal and less effective than pizza, poptarts, refined grains, and sugars. They will see when they are old with their inflamed and disease ridden bodies.

[sedrik]

Prefer the phrase flexible dieting not IIFYM, a lot more accurate.

Lol at people who hate on sweet potatoes, yams, oats, grass fed steak, fish, eggs, chicken breast, plantains, bananas, apples, broccoli, kale, spinach, and carrots. Then have the audacity to call us anal and less effective than pizza, poptarts, refined grains, and sugars. They will see when they are old with their inflamed and disease ridden bodies.

You do realize that the principals of IIFYM/flexible dieting pretty much make you eat 'clean' and offer some wiggle room for 'dirty' foods.

[itsMoeyy]

He ate things close to earth, and therefore grains are not close to earth?

[ace_gauntlit]

He ate things close to earth, and therefore grains are not close to earth?

there are a lot of things ITT that don't make much sense

[TheJediBrah]

Lol at people who hate on sweet potatoes, yams, oats, grass fed steak, fish, eggs, chicken breast, plantains, bananas, apples, broccoli, kale, spinach, and carrots. Then have the audacity to call us anal and less effective than pizza, poptarts, refined grains, and sugars. They will see when they are old with their inflamed and disease ridden bodies.

IIFYM supporters don't hate on anyone, nor do they claim clean eating is less effective.

brush up brah

[Hypospadius]

So where does whey protein come into this. Also, i'm taking a weight gainer shake with whey and maltodextrin. Thoughts?

[TheJediBrah]

So where does whey protein come into this. Also, i'm taking a weight gainer shake with whey and maltodextrin. Thoughts?

What do you mean?

Whey is a very good source of protein.

[biscuitsbrah]

So where does whey protein come into this. Also, i'm taking a weight gainer shake with whey and maltodextrin. Thoughts?

Skip the malto...and just eat some food

[Nvrlift]

Lol at people who hate on sweet potatoes, yams, oats, grass fed steak, fish, eggs, chicken breast, plantains, bananas, apples, broccoli, kale, spinach, and carrots. Then have the audacity to call us anal and less effective than pizza, poptarts, refined grains, and sugars. They will see when they are old with their inflamed and disease ridden bodies.

dont think anyone is hating on those foods. Strong fuking strawman argument. Its also funny how every brodieter has the ability of foresight and all their arguments are based around that.

[rjones416]

i heard cyanide comes up from the ground, you should eat a bunch of that and see what happens.

i swear you were deep red like a minute ago. you dun came up brah.

[Stannis]

Detailed pdf on the effect of grains:

http://www.direct-ms.org/pdf/Evoluti...al%20Sword.pdf


edit: "Generally, in most parts of the world, whenever cereal-based diets were first adopted as a staple food replacing the primarily animal-based diets of hunter-gatherers, there was a characteristic reduction in stature [4, 17–19], an increase in infant mortality [19, 20], a reduction in lifespan [19, 20], an increased incidence of infectious diseases [19–22], an increase in iron deficiency anemia [19, 20, 22], an increased incidence of osteomalacia, porotic hyperostosis and other bone mineral disorders [4, 19, 20, 22] and an increase in the number of dental caries and enamel defects [19, 20, 23]."

[thehypocrit]

All of this is really stupid. Grains have been part of the human digestive system since the dawn of fuarking time. Like what the **** man?

Blows my mind that people can trust "natural" foods so easily without a second thought. Try drinking natural milk. lol go **** urselves retards