Most victims of Muslim terror are.....Muslim

[xRugbyBrahx]

You often see violence between Sunnis and Shiites not necessarily just because they have a religious difference but often because one groups has more political or economic power than the other. Sunnis usually don't go out and kill Shiites just because they believe Abu Bakr should've succeeded Mohammed rather than Ali or some other difference between them and therefore they must die and vice versa.

I would have liked to see a response to what I posted earlier in the thread. Muslim violence and terrorism is due to political or economic reasons rather then religious.

[1devil]

Let's not move on to the next question.
Let's stay with the similarities and widen the picture

Look. You said they're both crazy.
I assume you do not take all Christians to be crazy, right?

All people with a belief in a higher power are goofy. However, some religious groups take this goofiness to a more extreme level. Fanatical believers in Janism for example go to extremes not to kill any living creature, to the point of almost not being able to function. Muslim extremists blow people up. That's huge difference.

[TranceNRG]

All people with a belief in a higher power are goofy. However, some religious groups take this goofiness to a more extreme level. Fanatical believers in Janism for example go to extremes not to kill any living creature, to the point of almost not being able to function. Muslim extremists blow people up. That's huge difference.

Right.
So, here's the next question.
When you say "some religious groups", what do you mean exactly? distinct groups within religions?
Your examples didn't seem like you mean all Janists or all Muslims.

[boseador]

All people with a belief in a higher power are goofy. However, some religious groups take this goofiness to a more extreme level. Fanatical believers in Janism for example go to extremes not to kill any living creature, to the point of almost not being able to function. Muslim extremists blow people up. That's huge difference.

Are you Sam Harris?

[1devil]

janists is often paralized by their beliefs, but really are causing noone any harm. The Wesboro idiots are offensive, but that's all. Muslim extremists are killing people. Of the three who would you want as a neighbor? There has never been a janist terror attack, but plently of muslim terror attacks. What does this tell you?

[1devil]

Are you Sam Harris?

Is he wrong?

[boseador]

Right.
So, here's the next question.
When you say "some religious groups", what do you mean exactly? distinct groups within religions?
Your examples didn't seem like you mean all Janists or all Muslims.

Mohammed ordered his followers not to stop wagging jihad until religion is for Allah. Allah says that a true Muslim is one that fight for the cause of Allah with his wealth and life, those who don't are hypocrites. Moderate Muslims are hypocrites, extremest Muslims are the real Muslims according to Allah.

[boseador]

Is he wrong?

I agree with him.

[1devil]

I agree with him.

It still amazes me that despite the fact that most victims of Muslim terror are Muslim, that people seem unable to do much except make excuses for why this is going on.

[TranceNRG]

janists is often paralized by their beliefs, but really are causing noone any harm. The Wesboro idiots are offensive, but that's all. Muslim extremists are killing people. Of the three who would you want as a neighbor? There has never been a janist terror attack, but plently of muslim terror attacks. What does this tell you?

Wait.
You're switching topics.
Please respond to the previous questions.

When you say "some religious groups", what do you mean exactly? distinct groups within religions?

[TranceNRG]

mohammed ordered his followers not to stop wagging jihad until religion is for allah. Allah says that a true muslim is one that fight for the cause of allah with his wealth and life, those who don't are hypocrites. Moderate muslims are hypocrites, extremest muslims are the real muslims according to allah.

ok.

[1devil]

Wait.
You're switching topics.
Please respond to the previous questions.

I have clearly defined my position. If you want to be evasive and water down the topic...have at it.

[TranceNRG]

I have clearly defined my position. If you want to be evasive and water down the topic...have at it.

You have?
Ok.
Just so that I am certain of your position, you do agree that there are distinct extreme groups within each religion, whether it's Janism, Christianity or Islam. Right?

[1devil]

You have?
Ok.
Just so that I am certain of your position, you do agree that there are distinct extreme groups within each religion, whether it's Janism, Christianity or Islam. Right?

Absolutely. However, there are still no suicide attacks coming from Janists, because even the most extreme or "true" brand of the religion is non violent. The same can't be said for islam. Hence certain religions inherently have a greater potential for violence. This is somthing we are witnessing daily in the Muslim world.

[TranceNRG]

Absolutely. However, there are still no suicide attacks coming from Janists, because even the most extreme or "true" brand of the religion is non violent. The same can't be said for islam.

You're right.
Muslims extremists are much worse than Janist extremists, and Muslim extremists must be dealt with accordingly.

Two things need to be done:
1) Identify and separate the extremists from the rest
2) Deal with them accordingly

Many people, often, skip over the first step, and succumb to ignorant generalizations.

[1devil]

You're right.
Muslims extremists are much worse than Janist extremists, and Muslim extremists must be dealt with accordingly.

Two things need to be done:
1) Identify and separate the extremists from the rest
2) Deal with them accordingly

Many people, often, skip over the first step, and succumb to ignorant generalizations.

It's interesting to observe how defensive muslims are in a thread about violence committed by muslims against muslims.

[illriginalized]

It still amazes me that despite the fact that most victims of Muslim terror are Muslim, that people seem unable to do much except make excuses for why this is going on.

No one is making excuses.

It's interesting to observe how defensive muslims are in a thread about violence committed by muslims against muslims.

Maybe because people like to generalize more than 1.8 billion people under 1 category.

[TranceNRG]

It's interesting to observe how defensive muslims are in a thread about violence committed by muslims against muslims.

It's not being "defensive", it's being aware of facts.
What's so hard to understand that there are different groups within each religion, with different distinct beliefs.
As an individual with Jewish background, you must know this very well.


The title of your thread entails lack of agreement among Muslims, otherwise, why would they kill each other.

So, the first step, ought to be examining to see who's killing who. Why? When did it start? and etc.

Extreme generalizations, rarely if ever, result in constructive solutions.

[boseador]

You're right.
Muslims extremists are much worse than Janist extremists, and Muslim extremists must be dealt with accordingly.

Two things need to be done:
1) Identify and separate the extremists from the rest
2) Deal with them accordingly

Many people, often, skip over the first step, and succumb to ignorant generalizations.

Who are the real Muslims that follow the teachings of Mohammed?

[TranceNRG]

Who are the real Muslims that follow the teachings of Mohammed?

Listen.
I'm not interested in having a discussion with you.
I tried once, and you don't think I know anything about Islam.
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...post1087313393
So, stop wasting your time with the likes of me and discuss Islam with those other knowledgeable Muslims.
Thanks.

[1devil]

No one is making excuses.



Maybe because people like to generalize more than 1.8 billion people under 1 category.

Yawn. Lot's of excuse making for muslim attacks on west (imperialism blah, blah). However, the real problem muslims killing fellow muslims is not so easily explained away, but people still try. It's amazing. Suit yourself

[boseador]

Listen.
I'm not interested in having a discussion with you.
I tried once, and you don't think I know anything about Islam.
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...post1087313393
So, stop wasting your time with the likes of me and discuss Islam with those other knowledgeable Muslims.
Thanks.

You proved how ignorant you are about Islam and Mohammed in particular. I asked about the Mi3raj and the 50 prayers a day and you didn't know about this, even though it is mentioned in the Quran in chapter 17. I asked SYRIANKID and he answered my question.

I apologize if I hurt your feelings.

Please explain to me how I am the ignorant one.

Don't be so arrogant and proud, everyone makes mistakes sometimes.

[boseador]

TranceNRG, just admit that you can't answer this question. There is no problem.

Who are the real Muslims that follow the teachings of Mohammed?

[TranceNRG]

You proved how ignorant you are about Islam and Mohammed in particular.....

Yes I did.
You're right.
Thanks.

[boseador]

Yes I did.
You're right.
Thanks.

That's not enough. You have to apologize, feel subdued and pay tax.

[illriginalized]

Listen.
I'm not interested in having a discussion with you.
I tried once, and you don't think I know anything about Islam.
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...post1087313393
So, stop wasting your time with the likes of me and discuss Islam with those other knowledgeable Muslims.
Thanks.

They're only knowledgeable when they agree with him. Which is never.. then at that point he claims all Muslims are liars. Then he thinks he's greater than others because.. simply put.. they just don't want to discuss anything with him.

Yawn. Lot's of excuse making for muslim attacks on west (imperialism blah, blah). However, the real problem muslims killing fellow muslims is not so easily explained away, but people still try. It's amazing. Suit yourself

LOL the only "excuse" that could ever be made which is a fact, is the U.K. along with the U.S. meddling in the middle east. And if you need to know what kind of meddling... then sir, I think you need to take some world history courses. Or let me know you need a Ron Paul video I'll be more than happy to post that up.

I'm so curious to know all the top secret files Washington has.. I wouldn't be surprised if sectarian violence is due to terrorists being propped up and supported by the U.S. til this day, since the day we created the Mujaheddin to fight off the Russians.

Divide and conquer isn't some fantasy.. it's a reality that has been applied many times throughout the history of mankind.

I mean.. knowing that the U.S. supports Al-Qaeda.. and Al-Qaeda hates Shias... which happen to be the majority in Iran.. which is the irrational enemy of America.. it would make perfectly good sense to turn every Muslim nation against Iran, starting at the core of the faith.. Shia vs Sunni.

[1devil]

They're only knowledgeable when they agree with him. Which is never.. then at that point he claims all Muslims are liars. Then he thinks he's greater than others because.. simply put.. they just don't want to discuss anything with him.


LOL the only "excuse" that could ever be made which is a fact, is the U.K. along with the U.S. meddling in the middle east. And if you need to know what kind of meddling... then sir, I think you need to take some world history courses. Or let me know you need a Ron Paul video I'll be more than happy to post that up.

I'm so curious to know all the top secret files Washington has.. I wouldn't be surprised if sectarian violence is due to terrorists being propped up and supported by the U.S. til this day, since the day we created the Mujaheddin to fight off the Russians.

Divide and conquer isn't some fantasy.. it's a reality that has been applied many times throughout the history of mankind.

I mean.. knowing that the U.S. supports Al-Qaeda.. and Al-Qaeda hates Shias... which happen to be the majority in Iran.. which is the irrational enemy of America.. it would make perfectly good sense to turn every Muslim nation against Iran, starting at the core of the faith.. Shia vs Sunni.

Time to take down the ron paul shrine, i don't think Islam takes kindly to worshiping of idols if I'm correct. Hey If you want to exist in an alternate universe, have fun.

[illriginalized]

Time to take down the ron paul shrine, i don't think Islam takes kindly to worshiping of idols if I'm correct. Hey If you want to exist in an alternate universe, have fun.

This is a good one:

[1devil]

This is a good one:

Once again the source of terror in Iraq is sunni minority oppressing the shia majority for years. I opposed US intervention in Iraq from day one. I also agree that it only increased iraqi hatred of the US. However, that is not the topic at hand. The topic at hand is Muslim violence toward fellow Muslims. This is a problem that would exist without US interference.

[itsMoeyy]

I don't understand why any of the muslims in any of the threads here have failed to mention satan. I mean he IS the biggest threat to humanity, always has and always will be until we are all dead. This SOB is so deceptive and we can't even see him. Yes, it is true that many of the muslim victims are shias killing sunnis or wahabbis killing shias. Sectarianism is what divides a religion and it then no longer becomes the original religion. Look at Christianity for example. Theres so many sects - catholics, protestants, evangelicans, jehovas, eastern orthodox. And also theres many secs in Islam - sunnis, shias, wahhabis, alawites, sufis. In the Quran, there is no mentioning of any of these sects, except for 'muslim' and 'non muslim'. Same goes for christianity. How ever the minds of people have been corrupted over the many years by satan and thats how these sects have come to form. If we understood the value of human life, we would not want to kill anyone except in certain cases of punishment.