LOL @ people that think doctors are smart. Engineers > doctors

[TheJediBrah]

most ppl who get a phd do so because they want to research and be in academia. its not a monetary decision.

lol no shiet sherlock

[likuidbrah]

Didn't read whole thread but I half agree with OP.

Yes med school is a joke. Srs. Two of my roommates are pre med brahs and it literally is just rote memorization. There's zero critical thinking involved. Makes me lmao when they complain about their chit.

However engineers aren't quite the pinnacle though they are high up. I think pure math and physics are just as difficult but I agree engineering is far harder than medical school. It's not even close. Just because pre meds complain and volunteer and busy themselves doesn't mean anything.

CS crew checking in

[T-Roach]

lol you're a glorified tooth brusher. wow you drill people's teeth and insert something to fill the cavity? wow that must be so hard!

that can be learned by anyone willing to learn it. that requires ZERO critical thinking skills whatsover. all you do is what your textbooks told you to do. step 1 drill. step 2 insert filling. it's just the same thing over and over with no critical thinking skills or intelligence involved. you just have to memorize the proper steps and THAT'S IT.

engineers actually have to have critical thinking skills unlike most healthcare workers that just sit there and regurgitate textbooks to their patients.

clearly you know nothing of the history of dentistry. The pathology behind dental caries may be miniscule compared to diseases of other organs but there are complex pathways behind it that are not completely known. Only because due to the past few decades as we've started to understand these mechanisms, cavity filling has become the most notable procedure dentists do.

but i'm not defending dentistry here. PhDs/MDs (hell why not add a DDS as im planning to) = god tier. deal with it

I thought the main war was between engineers and nurses?

[Ranniks]

FYI: Pre-meds in America and Europe need to have a solid knowledge of at least two to all of the following sciences: math, physics, chemistry and biology (this includes anatomy and physiology).

Saying that doctors only memorize when they do a lot of science is just prejudice.

A lot of doctors also go on to do a master/phd program in which they do research. A lot of them also go to win prizes.

The future person to cure cancer might be a doctor.

I also don't think they would accept someone who could only memorize for a medical school position. You need to be able to apply the knowledge that you have.

Oh and.

OP is a........

[bealsjt]

ITT op has gone full retard

[StrongScience62]

FYI: Pre-meds in America and Europe need to have a solid knowledge of at least two to all of the following sciences: math, physics, chemistry and biology (this includes anatomy and physiology).

Saying that doctors only memorize when they do a lot of science is just prejudice.

A lot of doctors also go on to do a master/phd program in which they do research. A lot of them also go to win prizes.

The future person to cure cancer might be a doctor.

I also don't think they would accept someone who could only memorize for a medical school position. You need to be able to apply the knowledge that you have.

Oh and.

OP is a........

the person who cures cancer will definitely have a phd, but an md is not a guarantee. phds solve problems, mds treat patients.

[perfectionn]

If I was strong with maths, then engineering would be easy
If I had a photogenic memory, then medicine would be easy.

But one thing I've noticed is, engineers are constantly patting themselves on the backs.

[TheJediBrah]

the person who cures cancer will definitely have a phd, but an md is not a guarantee. phds solve problems, mds treat patients.

Do you not realise that majority of clinical studies are carried out by practicing physicians?

[StrongScience62]

Do you not realise that majority of clinical studies are carried out by practicing physicians?

you need an md to experiment on live ppl. you can cure diseases in a petri dish

[pfuddy]

as a training medic I agree.


all u do is memorise in med school

[danielMSF]

I am a 5th year medical student. Medicine is just memorising tbh. I never actually have to think or work anything out. It's just pattern recognition. Most doctors and medical students are intelligent when compared to the general population. There are many people in medicine who could have done other things.

I could have done engineering if I had wanted to but I have no interest in it. Medicine is not intellectually challenging, that doesn't actually say anything about the intelligence of the people who practice it.

[shaneee]

Fuk it nevermind lol

[torpstar711]

if i wanted to sacrifice years of my life and lock myself in the library for 12 hours a day just memorizing stuff i could do it. the thing is i have a life.

congratulations, the most retarded post on misc goes to this

let's hear all about your fascinating and busy "life" OP

[likuidbrah]

ITT: butthurt *******s.

Like I said engineering isn't god tier major (physics and pure math is srs) but its much more difficult than medical school even on the undergrad level.

You guys are distorting reality with opinion. Many replies were similar to "OP is a ******* way more impressive to be a doctor." Lol that doesn't matter. It just means that what OP said is correct and that public perception is incorrect (as it tends to be in matters that concern the minimal level of intelligence).

Just because doctors get their cocks sucked in terms of prestige doesn't mean it's more difficult than engineering. Engineering is on a different level in terms of solving problems. The problems on exams are NEW. We've never seen them before. We use our tools to solve them. A medical student will never see something that he/she has never seen before since it is indeed rote memorization.

[TheJediBrah]

you need an md to experiment on live ppl. you can cure diseases in a petri dish

So you are aware that majority of clinical studies are carried out by practicing physicians? Because your previous post suggested otherwise.

[torpstar711]

Didn't read whole thread but I half agree with OP.

Yes med school is a joke. Srs. Two of my roommates are pre med brahs and it literally is just rote memorization. There's zero critical thinking involved. Makes me lmao when they complain about their chit.

what university, don't e-stat

[SimplyNick]

Engineering crew checking in. Going to do a master at the Technical Univeristy at Delft once I finished my bachelor.

[bemine]

Tried to neg op but banned, too bad.

[R3VIT]

There is actually a massive practical side to medicine and medical school other than just sitting down and learning from books. Plus at times you need to make decisions on the spot and not every patient presents symptoms that only require one black and white treatment response. Never mind all the specializations in medicine.

[danielMSF]

I am a 5th year medical student. Medicine is just memorising tbh. I never actually have to think or work anything out. It's just pattern recognition. Most doctors and medical students are intelligent when compared to the general population. There are many people in medicine who could have done other things.

I could have done engineering if I had wanted to but I have no interest in it. Medicine is not intellectually challenging, that doesn't actually say anything about the intelligence of the people who practice it.

Having said this, LOL at people who think it's easy

brb no intellectual stimulation
brb no interest in a lot of the stuff you have to learn
brb boring as hell
brb never enjoy learning
brb motivate yourself to study things you aren't interested in for hours so you can pass exams and then forget the majority of it when you specialise
brb people who have degrees where you have to think don't know how easy they actually have it
brb no creative outlet in the thing that consumes most of your time
brb hate medicine
brb once you're a doctor it might not be worth it
brb brb brb brb

Yes i have exams soon and am going crazy

[likuidbrah]

what university, don't e-stat

You gotta take my word on this but it's a top 20 school in the us.

I'm studying CS btw which is part of our engineering school

[likuidbrah]

Btw nobody is saying medical school is easy in the traditional sense of the word but rather that it's not as intellectually demanding as engineering.

Obviously med school is still difficult because you have to have a stamina to get through it, work late nights, etc. We're simply saying that from a purely mental / critical-thinking standpoint engineering is definitely harder srs

But, and I'll repeat again, pure math and physics might be god tier fuuuuaaarrkkk

[TheJediBrah]

Didn't read whole thread but I half agree with OP.

Yes med school is a joke. Srs. Two of my roommates are pre med brahs and it literally is just rote memorization. There's zero critical thinking involved. Makes me lmao when they complain about their chit.

Pre isn't med school . . . it's a half assed undergrad degree that you can get through studying an hour a week

[Soullus794]

clearly you know nothing of the history of dentistry. The pathology behind dental caries may be miniscule compared to diseases of other organs but there are complex pathways behind it that are not completely known. Only because due to the past few decades as we've started to understand these mechanisms, cavity filling has become the most notable procedure dentists do.

but i'm not defending dentistry here. PhDs/MDs (hell why not add a DDS as im planning to) = god tier. deal with it

I thought the main war was between engineers and nurses?

lol no one respects a dentist for what they do when compared to MD's. They aren't real doctors and never will be. Not to mention the market is saturated with dentists trying to start their own business and survive because they are a dime a dozen and can only survive by themselves.

BRB brushing peoples nasty teeth and drilling tiny holes and fillings that anyone could do. No one grows up wanting to be a dentist when they could be a real doctor for the same amount of schooling.

(No dentist hate, but T-Roach is known for thinking dentists are some glorified position that people should respect when they are mid tier status for the years required for a degree)

[LetMeBang]

it's way harder to become an MD/DO than an engineer

What's the pre-req to become an engineer? Isn't it just get C's throughout undergrad?

What's the pre-req to become an MD/DO?
Get >3.7 gpa in all sciences (bio, chem, physics, orgo)
Get good MCAT score
Have extensive healthcare/direct pt care experience
Letters of recc's
And then when u do get into med school, it's 4 years of non-stop memorization, critical thinking, clinicals (no breaks like winter or summer vacation)
And when you're done with med school, hopefully u can find residency, which is actually pretty difficult (working 70+ hrs/week and getting paid poorly for the amount of the work you're doing)
And when you're done with residency, you can do fellowship to go into a specific field (another 3 years of poor pay for the amount of work you're doing)

im gonna say being a doctor requires more book smarts, critical thinking skills, motivation and drive to succeed

I've met some real dumb 'engineers' who barely passed to get an undergrad degree

[LetMeBang]

lol no one respects a dentist for what they do when compared to MD's. They aren't real doctors and never will be. Not to mention the market is saturated with dentists trying to start their own business and survive because they are a dime a dozen and can only survive by themselves.

BRB brushing peoples nasty teeth and drilling tiny holes and fillings that anyone could do. No one grows up wanting to be a dentist when they could be a real doctor for the same amount of schooling.

(No dentist hate, but T-Roach is known for thinking dentists are some glorified position that people should respect when they are mid tier status for the years required for a degree)

gotta agree with this. I hate when dentists, pharmacists, and DPT's compare themselves to MD's/DO's. Dentists make a lot of fukin money, but their salary is actually going down in the U.S. due to over saturation.

[Alt3rnate]

never met a socially awkward doctor/med student... engineering students on the other hand.

Ever wonder why that is? Medical schools/field filled with women. Even guys who have no game can socialize and get laid all day long in a med school.
Engineering school no women.... you either are an alpha to begin with, and have no problem getting girls anywhere, or you are a beta who chose engineering and you remain an eldervirgin = become socially awkward.

[Danzeligan]

you know what medical school is? it's just a bunch of memorization. doctors aren't smart. they're just the people willing to not have a life for a few years and sit down and just memorize stuff. then when a patient walks in with symptoms they just go back into their memory to come up with the solution. that's not intelligence. that's just someone sacrificing their social life for a few years to memorize facts.

engineers are the intelligent people that use critical thinking to make new designs.

truth.

You put it across like a trolling *******, but I do agree with you.

[LetMeBang]

Ever wonder why that is? Medical schools/field filled with women. Even guys who have no game can socialize and get laid all day long in a med school.
Engineering school no women.... you either are an alpha to begin with, and have no problem getting girls anywhere, or you are a beta who chose engineering and you remain an eldervirgin = become socially awkward.

nope. med students are constantly thrown into new environments in healthcare so they are always in contact with new people everyday. This way, they learn to use what they learned, practice their critical thinking, and improve their social/verbal skills while maintaining professionalism, as well. Why do you think almost everyone in the healthcare field speak very well, as oppose to other fields? But behind closed doors when there are no patients are around, it's funny to listen to healthcare professionals talk. It's like they lost their professionalism and they go back to using slang and making sex jokes.

[Safin]

Everyone shut the **** up. You're all going to end up driving second hand Honda civics.